I'm 100% sure the SOC in the iPhone 6 will be incredibly efficient but a larger screen with higher resolution is going to draw more power. So I think it's fair to be a bit concerned about battery life on the iPhone 6 IF these battery rumours hold true.
My guess? Overall, the 4.7" iPhone 6 will have equal battery life (though much higher standby life) to the iPhone 5S. Slightly disappointing, but not a deal breaker.
Personally I'd trade some thickness and weight for another 20-25% increase in battery size - since you get it at a FRACTION of the additional thickness and weight of an aftermarket battery case.
My guess... 30-45 minutes more time in a 'normal' usage model (what ever normal is.. but it's not heavy wifi, screen updating, lots of background updates... which I've found map/travel apps to be pretty heavy duty). so 5-8% more 'use'. I think a bulk of savings will come from iOS 8 tweaking to optimize to the A8 and drop all tradeoffs for the A5 and lower. Efficient chip, Better OS code, better battery tech, more battery, better LED tech.
It doesn't come off as an opinion! Seriously dude we have one dictator in the Whitehouse we don't need another trying to keep Apple from moving forward.
Relax dude. I was only stating my opinion; I wasn't trying to argue with you. [SIZE=14px]<span style="line-height:1.4em;">Of course it is always better to have faster CPU and GPU! That is not a bad thing. But Apple is not designing the iPad for the 5% of power users who may need the additional computational power.
This is where you fail because it isn't about power users. Rather it is about us type A's that detest staring off into space waiting on our hardware. As it is I'm seeing some improvements in iOS 8 betas so id be the first to admit that it isn't all hardware related. However even that doesnt fix structural problems that limits the types of apps that function well on iPad.
The iPad is marketed towards the average person as a general portable computing device so there will be no need for an A8X. I still think the A7 is fine for the iPad Air. No problems whatsoever for me even when I play 3D games.</span>
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[SIZE=14px]<span style="line-height:1.4em;">Edit: Let me just add that if Apple does put a A8X with much more GPU power then I'm not going to complain. </span>
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My problem is this; from my perspective i expect considerably better performance out of an iPad relative to my iPhone. im not talking a simple 100MHz here or so. Rather i want close to laptop like performance that the """AVERAGE""" person can enjoy, often at similar price points to an iPad. I say close because I dont expect performance matching the latest wiz bang laptop but I do expect a big jump from the iphone. When it comes right down to it the average person doesn't want a frustrating machine.
Indeed a larger phone COULD sport a larger battery... if the company making it was concerened about such things instead of their own engineering pride and prowess.
So you didn’t read the article.
Originally Posted by itpromike
By a measly10% yes... so for a phone that lasts 5 to 6 hours of use that would give 30 more minutes of use.
Thanks for admitting you didn’t read the article.
Originally Posted by Chipsy
It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by that. Anyway there are already phones out there that support 802.11ac like the Nexus 5 f.e.
Yes, and it’s not designed for the platform. I mean an 802.11ac chip that is meant for devices like this and which doesn’t draw insane amounts of power.
Hilarious! Does Apple have some magic pixie dust it sprinkles over iPhone batteries to give them a certain capacity independent of their size. Of course not. A smaller case means smaller space for a battery and thus a lower capacity battery.
If all things remained equal that may be the case. However if you look at the history of the iPhine you will see that for the most part they moved battery capacity ahead with each release. This is the result of two things, one being continuously improving battery capacity per unit area and better usage of internal space within the iPhine itself.
Criticizing the anemic (compared to others) battery capacity in iPhones is about the best way around to bring out the Apple fanboys.
Nope. It is a matter of getting your facts correct, when you post BS expect to be handed your hat.
That being said I'm all for higher capacity batteries and better battery life. However I don't want that at the expense of a larger device than is required. Fat phones simply don't cut the mustard. Apple can get there with improved battery tech, more efficient use of space within the phone and improved electronics. You can't simply look at milliamp hours and say one phone is better than another because it is a package deal. Thus the whole package must be evaluated as it is sold, evaluations based on stamped specs on parts are of limited usefulness.
In any event the facts are as follows: Apple has increased battery life in its iPhones for some time now. Each process shrink brings with it the opportunity to lower power draw at a given performance level. Apple has a huge amount of infrastructure in place to help engineer even more effcient ARM processors and support chips.
Combine these realities with some unknowns and it is impossible to accurately predict how a future iphone will behave with a given battery size. Some have already made half assed statements about giving up on iphone because they see a millamp hour number and think it is time to punt. Such an attitude is a sign of the woefully mis informed. Maybe iPhone 6 will be crap for battery life, however we wont know until a shipping device can be tested.
Hilarious! Does Apple have some magic pixie dust it sprinkles over iPhone batteries to give them a certain capacity independent of their size. Of course not. A smaller case means smaller space for a battery and thus a lower capacity battery.
Criticizing the anemic (compared to others) battery capacity in iPhones is about the best way around to bring out the Apple fanboys.
When batteries increase in measured and stated amperage capacity from generation to generation of iPhone Apple has not "reduced" battery capacity. OBTW? Case thickness doesn't actually tell the story of how much interior volume is being given over to the battery, reduce or consolidate other interior items (replacing the 30 pin connector with the Lightning...) and the physical size of the space devoted to battery can increase. There's stories of the 3.5 mm headphone jack assembly being eliminated: one result of that would be a gain in interior volume for other things, such as battery volume.
If this turns out to be true then I think this may be the year I actually ditch the iPhone since using one for 7 years. The battery on the iPhones is laughable.
Nice try. And welcome to Apple Insider. We get plenty of newbies here.
And plenty of trolls too. Paid and not paid. They're easy to spot.
I'm curious- what is it that you do that is "work" that drains the battery life so much? Games and streaming video are the 2 biggest drains of battery-life. So, technically, gamers should be the ones more concerned with wanting longer battery life. Stop pretending you and your tasks are more important than someone else's. They are simply different tasks- none greater or lesser.
I'm in agreement with you completely. I prefer the lighter and thinner phone. I also can get through my day of work fine without needing a charge. Of course, I'm not playing Candy Crush at the office or headed to the bathroom for a yank-fest either, so I understand how others need more battery life.
Regardless- You aren't grasping his point. It's all about him and his uses. Don't worry about solutions for the masses.
Liked the last sentence, this guy is obviously an imbecile who wants a feature, but YOU of course are the masses!
I work in a company which operates more than 5000 iPhones after ditching the land-line. The most usual complaint is battery life, particularly after people started using pass-book boarding passes and other downloaded tickets, very often after a long working day with plenty of downloads. But I assume these people, not being the masses, are not to bright because in addition to heavy use they occasionally forget to charge the phone overnight, and not all bring some brick-like gadget for emergency charging everywhere they go.
Now in the iPhone 5S the battery has a higher capacity than it has ever been at 1570 mAh.
No they don't.
So is this to imply that if my iPhone 5 was as thick as my iPhone 4, it could not result in more battery capacity? To me it is pretty clear that this is a case of sacrifying battery life for thickness.
It doesn't come off as an opinion! Seriously dude we have one dictator in the Whitehouse we don't need another trying to keep Apple from moving forward.
This is where you fail because it isn't about power users. Rather it is about us type A's that detest staring off into space waiting on our hardware. As it is I'm seeing some improvements in iOS 8 betas so id be the first to admit that it isn't all hardware related. However even that doesnt fix structural problems that limits the types of apps that function well on iPad.
My problem is this; from my perspective i expect considerably better performance out of an iPad relative to my iPhone. im not talking a simple 100MHz here or so. Rather i want close to laptop like performance that the """AVERAGE""" person can enjoy, often at similar price points to an iPad. I say close because I dont expect performance matching the latest wiz bang laptop but I do expect a big jump from the iphone. When it comes right down to it the average person doesn't want a frustrating machine.
You can always tell when you're going off the rails when you start commenting BEFORE the quote that you're responding to. The reader has to stop reading what you're saying, then skip down to what you're going on about, then go back to what you're saying, over and over when you multiquote.
What you say may not be worth that much bother.
Then you throw in a stupid Fox News stinker like the "Whitehouse dictator" remark. You are not a reliable opinion if you haven't noticed that White House is two words, or that this "dictator" hasn't lied his way into an endless war like the last one did. In other words, stay out of politics here; you're being a blowhard.
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Go ahead, ditch your iPhones! Apple doesn't need you, and neither does this forum!
So is this to imply that if my iPhone 5 was as thick as my iPhone 4, it could not result in more battery capacity? To me it is pretty clear that this is a case of sacrifying battery life for thickness.
And what battery life was sacrificed when the device is more power efficient and has an increased battery capacity resulting in longer duration of use for the same tasks?
If this turns out to be true then I think this may be the year I actually ditch the iPhone since using one for 7 years. The battery on the iPhones is laughable.
If its that bad, and that important to you, what's stopping you from ditching it right now?
Real users just switch and get what they want, while concern trolls post idle threats about switching.
The next iPhones will have increased battery life and certain "people" are complaining!
Go ahead, ditch your iPhones! Apple doesn't need you, and neither does this forum!:no:
If he never responds with any follow up post, then you know it's another drive-by troll, meant to inject false "concern" about Apple's "lack of competitiveness."
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Go ahead, ditch your iPhones! Apple doesn't need you, and neither does this forum!
Couldn't agree more.
We don't want any critcism of Apple here, and people who criticizes Apple should not be allowed to buy their products. Have myself had all generations of Macs since the SE, and a handful of iPhone models, but obviously I have never experienced anything other than perfectionism.
I will reserve my comment when I learn what the actual battery life is. Some of you have already assumed he worst just because the battery isn't bigger than so and so....lol.
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I'm 100% sure the SOC in the iPhone 6 will be incredibly efficient but a larger screen with higher resolution is going to draw more power. So I think it's fair to be a bit concerned about battery life on the iPhone 6 IF these battery rumours hold true.
My guess? Overall, the 4.7" iPhone 6 will have equal battery life (though much higher standby life) to the iPhone 5S. Slightly disappointing, but not a deal breaker.
Personally I'd trade some thickness and weight for another 20-25% increase in battery size - since you get it at a FRACTION of the additional thickness and weight of an aftermarket battery case.
My guess... 30-45 minutes more time in a 'normal' usage model (what ever normal is.. but it's not heavy wifi, screen updating, lots of background updates... which I've found map/travel apps to be pretty heavy duty). so 5-8% more 'use'. I think a bulk of savings will come from iOS 8 tweaking to optimize to the A8 and drop all tradeoffs for the A5 and lower. Efficient chip, Better OS code, better battery tech, more battery, better LED tech.
This is where you fail because it isn't about power users. Rather it is about us type A's that detest staring off into space waiting on our hardware. As it is I'm seeing some improvements in iOS 8 betas so id be the first to admit that it isn't all hardware related. However even that doesnt fix structural problems that limits the types of apps that function well on iPad.
My problem is this; from my perspective i expect considerably better performance out of an iPad relative to my iPhone. im not talking a simple 100MHz here or so. Rather i want close to laptop like performance that the """AVERAGE""" person can enjoy, often at similar price points to an iPad. I say close because I dont expect performance matching the latest wiz bang laptop but I do expect a big jump from the iphone. When it comes right down to it the average person doesn't want a frustrating machine.
So you didn’t read the article.
Thanks for admitting you didn’t read the article.
Yes, and it’s not designed for the platform. I mean an 802.11ac chip that is meant for devices like this and which doesn’t draw insane amounts of power.
no it isnt. i typically charge my phone once a day and have never had to laugh at the battery because its lasted me 24 hours. sometimes more.
Yep.
If all things remained equal that may be the case. However if you look at the history of the iPhine you will see that for the most part they moved battery capacity ahead with each release. This is the result of two things, one being continuously improving battery capacity per unit area and better usage of internal space within the iPhine itself.
Nope. It is a matter of getting your facts correct, when you post BS expect to be handed your hat.
That being said I'm all for higher capacity batteries and better battery life. However I don't want that at the expense of a larger device than is required. Fat phones simply don't cut the mustard. Apple can get there with improved battery tech, more efficient use of space within the phone and improved electronics. You can't simply look at milliamp hours and say one phone is better than another because it is a package deal. Thus the whole package must be evaluated as it is sold, evaluations based on stamped specs on parts are of limited usefulness.
In any event the facts are as follows: Apple has increased battery life in its iPhones for some time now. Each process shrink brings with it the opportunity to lower power draw at a given performance level. Apple has a huge amount of infrastructure in place to help engineer even more effcient ARM processors and support chips.
Combine these realities with some unknowns and it is impossible to accurately predict how a future iphone will behave with a given battery size. Some have already made half assed statements about giving up on iphone because they see a millamp hour number and think it is time to punt. Such an attitude is a sign of the woefully mis informed. Maybe iPhone 6 will be crap for battery life, however we wont know until a shipping device can be tested.
Hilarious! Does Apple have some magic pixie dust it sprinkles over iPhone batteries to give them a certain capacity independent of their size. Of course not. A smaller case means smaller space for a battery and thus a lower capacity battery.
Criticizing the anemic (compared to others) battery capacity in iPhones is about the best way around to bring out the Apple fanboys.
When batteries increase in measured and stated amperage capacity from generation to generation of iPhone Apple has not "reduced" battery capacity. OBTW? Case thickness doesn't actually tell the story of how much interior volume is being given over to the battery, reduce or consolidate other interior items (replacing the 30 pin connector with the Lightning...) and the physical size of the space devoted to battery can increase. There's stories of the 3.5 mm headphone jack assembly being eliminated: one result of that would be a gain in interior volume for other things, such as battery volume.
If this turns out to be true then I think this may be the year I actually ditch the iPhone since using one for 7 years. The battery on the iPhones is laughable.
Nice try. And welcome to Apple Insider. We get plenty of newbies here.
And plenty of trolls too. Paid and not paid. They're easy to spot.
I'm curious- what is it that you do that is "work" that drains the battery life so much? Games and streaming video are the 2 biggest drains of battery-life. So, technically, gamers should be the ones more concerned with wanting longer battery life. Stop pretending you and your tasks are more important than someone else's. They are simply different tasks- none greater or lesser.
I'm in agreement with you completely. I prefer the lighter and thinner phone. I also can get through my day of work fine without needing a charge. Of course, I'm not playing Candy Crush at the office or headed to the bathroom for a yank-fest either, so I understand how others need more battery life.
Regardless- You aren't grasping his point. It's all about him and his uses. Don't worry about solutions for the masses.
Liked the last sentence, this guy is obviously an imbecile who wants a feature, but YOU of course are the masses!
I work in a company which operates more than 5000 iPhones after ditching the land-line. The most usual complaint is battery life, particularly after people started using pass-book boarding passes and other downloaded tickets, very often after a long working day with plenty of downloads. But I assume these people, not being the masses, are not to bright because in addition to heavy use they occasionally forget to charge the phone overnight, and not all bring some brick-like gadget for emergency charging everywhere they go.
No they don't.
iPhone 3GS = 12.3 mm = 1219 mAh
iPhone 4 = 9.3 mm = 1420 mAh
iPhone 4S = 9.3 mm = 1430 mAh
iPhone 5 = 7.6 mm = 1440 mAh
Now in the iPhone 5S the battery has a higher capacity than it has ever been at 1570 mAh.
No they don't.
So is this to imply that if my iPhone 5 was as thick as my iPhone 4, it could not result in more battery capacity? To me it is pretty clear that this is a case of sacrifying battery life for thickness.
You can always tell when you're going off the rails when you start commenting BEFORE the quote that you're responding to. The reader has to stop reading what you're saying, then skip down to what you're going on about, then go back to what you're saying, over and over when you multiquote.
What you say may not be worth that much bother.
Then you throw in a stupid Fox News stinker like the "Whitehouse dictator" remark. You are not a reliable opinion if you haven't noticed that White House is two words, or that this "dictator" hasn't lied his way into an endless war like the last one did. In other words, stay out of politics here; you're being a blowhard.
Hilarious!
The next iPhones will have increased battery life and certain "people" are complaining!
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Go ahead, ditch your iPhones! Apple doesn't need you, and neither does this forum!
And what battery life was sacrificed when the device is more power efficient and has an increased battery capacity resulting in longer duration of use for the same tasks?
If its that bad, and that important to you, what's stopping you from ditching it right now?
Real users just switch and get what they want, while concern trolls post idle threats about switching.
If its that bad, and that important to you, what's stopping you from ditching it right now?
Real users just switch and get what they want, while concern trolls post idle threats about switching.
Yeah, he or she is full of excrements, to put it politely.
Given Apple's large market share, it needs to include EL models among those choices.
Does anyone else see the cognitive dissonance in this statement?
Ummmm... a 15% larger battery is not a "lessened power reserve." It's actually greater.
If he never responds with any follow up post, then you know it's another drive-by troll, meant to inject false "concern" about Apple's "lack of competitiveness."
Hilarious!
The next iPhones will have increased battery life and certain "people" are complaining!
" src="http://forums-files.appleinsider.com/images/smilies//lol.gif" />
Go ahead, ditch your iPhones! Apple doesn't need you, and neither does this forum!
Couldn't agree more.
We don't want any critcism of Apple here, and people who criticizes Apple should not be allowed to buy their products. Have myself had all generations of Macs since the SE, and a handful of iPhone models, but obviously I have never experienced anything other than perfectionism.