AAA says that looking out the window is a distraction apparently everything is dandrous soon we won't be able to eat food while driving which apparently is a distraction
Eating? I think that's been illegal for years at least in a lot of US states.
On the other hand, I think you are encouraged to look out the window known as "the windshield"...
the cognitive load to work abstract processes or workflows (such as composing Facebook posts or emails) w/ a non-human is higher than simply having a conversation w/ a real person on the phone…
Except you’re just having a conversation with Siri.
Dumb study is dumb. Where did they correlate the "distraction" with being dangerous?
Being mentally distracted doesn't necessarily mean dangerous driving conditions.
uh, yes, it does. being distracted while driving is unequivocally dangerous. by nature. that you haven't had an incident thus far in no way disproves this.
Yes, using Siri can distract, about as much as talking on the phone while driving. But I can't for the life of me understand why it would be MORE distracting than doing shit tat takes your eyes off the road.
no -- using a computer-driven voice assistant is MORE distracting than talking on the phone. because it takes more mental work to queue your commands, issue instructions, await feedback, parse result, and possibly re-query. all those things take cognitive work -- far more than having a conversation with a native speaking human. likewise, it's already been proven that having a phone conversation uses more brainpower than speaking to a real person. etc. basically the further you get from a (visual) face-to-face convo, the less efficient we become. old studies.
and depending on the specific tasks of each, can be more work than taking your eyes off the road to do something.
but yeah -- a good follow up study would be comparing Siri to other brands.
Except you’re just having a conversation with Siri.
nope. as i mentioned, you're not. you're searching for appropriate keywords, chaining them into system-accepted commands, awaiting possible syntax errors, parsing response, and re-issuing commands. it uses more brainpower than speaking in a native language to a real person. and speaking on the phone uses more brainpower than talking to a passenger.
ever wonder why we instinctively turn down the radio when looking for an address? same thing -- the aural input is a cognitive distraction.
look i love apple as much as the rest of you (read my troll-hunting comments), but this is established science that goes beyond anybody's favorite brand.
nope. as i mentioned, you're not. you're searching for appropriate keywords, chaining them into system-accepted commands, awaiting possible syntax errors, parsing response, and re-issuing commands.
Which is exactly the same as holding a conversation.
ever wonder why we instinctively turn down the radio when looking for an address? same thing -- the aural input is a cognitive distraction.
So just slow down as you talk to Siri or the person sitting next to you.
Okay. I'll give this idea away for free. All we need is a Siri blow up doll to put in the passenger seat. It will be just like talking to a real human. Maybe even better.
Except you’re just having a conversation with Siri.
Actually, the study (which took the time to quantify real observations) says the opposite.
You're not having a conversation (philosophically speaking), and Siri messes up all the time—you're feeding words into a pretty picky computer, and trying to get it to respond the way you want it to (Have you ever tried to make an appointment with a number or date in it using Siri? Brain-numbing...). You tell me you're "just having a conversation" while merging into rush hour traffic, messing with the radio, listening to your favorite news, and screaming at your phone to wake up Siri.
Not just a conversation.
Also, for the love of God, could you please, for once, admit that others' views could be valid, even if they conflict with yours? I mean seriously....
not sure why they did the study on "Siri" by name. did they compare it to other software agents for comparison? is Siri worse than those? possibly, who knows. worth studying tho.
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What a crock of horse-shit. Where was this study on Microsoft Sync? Or Android Auto? Or the other 56,201 voice recognition systems built into many cars in the last few years? Oh yeah, those studies wouldn't have generated enough clicks.
This is more of a media headline problem than a study problem. The study clearly states:
"There are other voice-recognition systems (e.g., Google Now, Microsoft Cortana, etc.) that were not tested in the current evaluation. It is possible that these systems differ in cognitive workload, resulting in variability much the same as what we observed with in-vehicle car commands, but additional research will be required to verify this. Even so, it is unlikely that the ratings of these voice-recognition systems would drop below 3, the level we obtained with a perfect speech recognition system."
The study's title is:
"Measuring Cognitive Distraction in the Automobile II: Assessing In-Vehicle Voice-Based Interactive Technologies"
I think the media (not just AI) is responsible for the Siri muckraking here.
I drive a truck all day and use siri to find addresses the fact that there is no way to let siri or maps know that i am not allowed on parkways in my truck and the fact that siri in spite of clear address and citi instructions keeps finding me directions from long island to Nebraska or Mississippi can be distracting . i have a phone holder with a suction cup on my windshield but if maps has a wrong state it is not exactly smooth to select the wrong state type in the right one . half the time maps blanks out the whole field . struggling with this has caused me a few close calls . i have been routed into state park bike trails and walking paths most trouble being that you get a direction that says go north on route 79 and in the woods on a cloudy day north may not be so obvious . siri and maps need some work they are about 75% google has a preference to route me with out highways but i hate using anything google and they want me to have an account and a g mail to get the full package and I'm getting enough push junk as it is. i drive about 150 miles a day and i see a lot of handsets on the ear.
Let me tell you a fact: while AAA is great for emergency roadside service, they are one of the most out-of-touch organizations in the US; their membership is dwindling every year and they still think people "love" their paper maps. (Printed TripTiks, yay!)
This is a desperate attempt to seem relevant; all they did was state the obvious: it's distracting to check your calendar, update your social network accounts, text, etc. while you're driving. Duh...
Advice for AAA: stick to rating those chintzy motels and sponsoring drag racing events, then die a peaceful death.
Often when I ask Siri a question she simply shows a list of what she found on the web which is useless when driving. I'm not tempted to read it but I imagine some people are.
nope. as i mentioned, you're not. you're searching for appropriate keywords, chaining them into system-accepted commands, awaiting possible syntax errors, parsing response, and re-issuing commands. it uses more brainpower than speaking in a native language to a real person. and speaking on the phone uses more brainpower than talking to a passenger.
I'm sorry, but I think you're sensationalizing this just a tad. Not sure how most people use Siri, but these are my most common phrases:
"Check what movies are playing tonight"
Navigate to X
Text X and tell him I'm on the way
Play X song
Whats the weather like today
Dunno, most things are done with natural language.
What a crock of horse-shit. Where was this study on Microsoft Sync? Or Android Auto? Or the other 56,201 voice recognition systems built into many cars in the last few years? Oh yeah, those studies wouldn't have generated enough clicks.
Yes, using Siri can distract, about as much as talking on the phone while driving. But I can't for the life of me understand why it would be MORE distracting than doing shit tat takes your eyes off the road.
I also found this comment astute:
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“Evaluated sending/receiving texts, updating Facebook/Twitter and checking calendar by using voice commands while driving.”
Seriously? THAT'S what you tested? The only thing on that list I would actually do in the car is send a text, which is extremely easy. "Tell Bob I'm on way."
Why not test map navigation, which is equally simple? "Take me to Panera Bread" or "Take me home"
Why not test music? "Play my Driving playlist"
You see, AAA wants Siri to fail, because it makes a great headline. If Siri turned out to be good, or even middle of the pack, Mac Rumors and everyone else wouldn't share this headline. It turns out if you attack the most successful company in the world, you get a lot of press. :rolleyes:
And yeah, as someone else said, their recommendation is probably that you join AAA and use their paper Trip Tik maps, because those aren't at ALL distracting. :eek:
Yeah, lets test the least common usage scenarios for Siri to push an agenda, instead of the stuff that people will actually use.
You and your vulgar crocks. Try and follow Shakespeare's example of varying your insults more; they'll be more entertaining to read.
You love to always see the worse side of things in relation to Apple. It's evidently not occurred to you that the AAA are handing Apple a compliment in citing Siri, as it suggests that it is sufficiently popular to resonate with the general public.
At any rate, your whining is unjustified. See NolaMacGuy's post for enlightenment. And you underestimate the stupidity of drivers if you think that they will only use Siri for simple tasks. There's a reason why there are thousands of people killed by drivers every day, most of which is attributable to human error, not vehicle breakdown.
Because none of the drivers who cause incalculable deaths and their accompanying misery and suffering are idiots...no, they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
So to sum up what can actually be concluded by this study, they found that distraction increases with the complexity of the task. Brilliant. Who would have guessed? The really remarkable thing is that people got paid to "discover" this. Perhaps a better study would have compared the difference in distraction caused by using different methods of performing the SAME task.
AAA: "Well, we do admit that we need the clickthroughs to our website, and nothing is better click bait than putting 'Apple' in an article. If we said Google Voice, no one would give a shit. But put in 'Siri' and the hits to our website increase tenfold!"
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AAA says that looking out the window is a distraction apparently everything is dandrous soon we won't be able to eat food while driving which apparently is a distraction
Eating? I think that's been illegal for years at least in a lot of US states.
On the other hand, I think you are encouraged to look out the window known as "the windshield"...
Except you’re just having a conversation with Siri.
Dumb study is dumb. Where did they correlate the "distraction" with being dangerous?
Being mentally distracted doesn't necessarily mean dangerous driving conditions.
uh, yes, it does. being distracted while driving is unequivocally dangerous. by nature. that you haven't had an incident thus far in no way disproves this.
Yes, using Siri can distract, about as much as talking on the phone while driving. But I can't for the life of me understand why it would be MORE distracting than doing shit tat takes your eyes off the road.
no -- using a computer-driven voice assistant is MORE distracting than talking on the phone. because it takes more mental work to queue your commands, issue instructions, await feedback, parse result, and possibly re-query. all those things take cognitive work -- far more than having a conversation with a native speaking human. likewise, it's already been proven that having a phone conversation uses more brainpower than speaking to a real person. etc. basically the further you get from a (visual) face-to-face convo, the less efficient we become. old studies.
and depending on the specific tasks of each, can be more work than taking your eyes off the road to do something.
but yeah -- a good follow up study would be comparing Siri to other brands.
Except you’re just having a conversation with Siri.
nope. as i mentioned, you're not. you're searching for appropriate keywords, chaining them into system-accepted commands, awaiting possible syntax errors, parsing response, and re-issuing commands. it uses more brainpower than speaking in a native language to a real person. and speaking on the phone uses more brainpower than talking to a passenger.
ever wonder why we instinctively turn down the radio when looking for an address? same thing -- the aural input is a cognitive distraction.
look i love apple as much as the rest of you (read my troll-hunting comments), but this is established science that goes beyond anybody's favorite brand.
Yup AAA - always best to use Apple in your lede - get those clicks above anything else.
Why not Google? People on their Androids not speaking into Google Search app? Goggle Maps app?
Or maybe AAA is losing customers so fast because people use their phones, it's best to try and smear them.
Which is exactly the same as holding a conversation.
ever wonder why we instinctively turn down the radio when looking for an address? same thing -- the aural input is a cognitive distraction.
So just slow down as you talk to Siri or the person sitting next to you.
Except you’re just having a conversation with Siri.
Actually, the study (which took the time to quantify real observations) says the opposite.
You're not having a conversation (philosophically speaking), and Siri messes up all the time—you're feeding words into a pretty picky computer, and trying to get it to respond the way you want it to (Have you ever tried to make an appointment with a number or date in it using Siri? Brain-numbing...). You tell me you're "just having a conversation" while merging into rush hour traffic, messing with the radio, listening to your favorite news, and screaming at your phone to wake up Siri.
Not just a conversation.
Also, for the love of God, could you please, for once, admit that others' views could be valid, even if they conflict with yours? I mean seriously....
not sure why they did the study on "Siri" by name. did they compare it to other software agents for comparison? is Siri worse than those? possibly, who knows. worth studying tho.
What a crock of horse-shit. Where was this study on Microsoft Sync? Or Android Auto? Or the other 56,201 voice recognition systems built into many cars in the last few years? Oh yeah, those studies wouldn't have generated enough clicks.
This is more of a media headline problem than a study problem. The study clearly states:
"There are other voice-recognition systems (e.g., Google Now, Microsoft Cortana, etc.) that were not tested in the current evaluation. It is possible that these systems differ in cognitive workload, resulting in variability much the same as what we observed with in-vehicle car commands, but additional research will be required to verify this. Even so, it is unlikely that the ratings of these voice-recognition systems would drop below 3, the level we obtained with a perfect speech recognition system."
The study's title is:
"Measuring Cognitive Distraction in the Automobile II: Assessing In-Vehicle Voice-Based Interactive Technologies"
I think the media (not just AI) is responsible for the Siri muckraking here.
Let me tell you a fact: while AAA is great for emergency roadside service, they are one of the most out-of-touch organizations in the US; their membership is dwindling every year and they still think people "love" their paper maps. (Printed TripTiks, yay!)
This is a desperate attempt to seem relevant; all they did was state the obvious: it's distracting to check your calendar, update your social network accounts, text, etc. while you're driving. Duh...
Advice for AAA: stick to rating those chintzy motels and sponsoring drag racing events, then die a peaceful death.
Often when I ask Siri a question she simply shows a list of what she found on the web which is useless when driving. I'm not tempted to read it but I imagine some people are.
I'm very happy to see a post from you.
nope. as i mentioned, you're not. you're searching for appropriate keywords, chaining them into system-accepted commands, awaiting possible syntax errors, parsing response, and re-issuing commands. it uses more brainpower than speaking in a native language to a real person. and speaking on the phone uses more brainpower than talking to a passenger.
I'm sorry, but I think you're sensationalizing this just a tad. Not sure how most people use Siri, but these are my most common phrases:
"Check what movies are playing tonight"
Navigate to X
Text X and tell him I'm on the way
Play X song
Whats the weather like today
Dunno, most things are done with natural language.
What a crock of horse-shit. Where was this study on Microsoft Sync? Or Android Auto? Or the other 56,201 voice recognition systems built into many cars in the last few years? Oh yeah, those studies wouldn't have generated enough clicks.
Yes, using Siri can distract, about as much as talking on the phone while driving. But I can't for the life of me understand why it would be MORE distracting than doing shit tat takes your eyes off the road.
I also found this comment astute:
Seriously? THAT'S what you tested? The only thing on that list I would actually do in the car is send a text, which is extremely easy. "Tell Bob I'm on way."
Why not test map navigation, which is equally simple? "Take me to Panera Bread" or "Take me home"
Why not test music? "Play my Driving playlist"
You see, AAA wants Siri to fail, because it makes a great headline. If Siri turned out to be good, or even middle of the pack, Mac Rumors and everyone else wouldn't share this headline. It turns out if you attack the most successful company in the world, you get a lot of press. :rolleyes:
And yeah, as someone else said, their recommendation is probably that you join AAA and use their paper Trip Tik maps, because those aren't at ALL distracting. :eek:
Yeah, lets test the least common usage scenarios for Siri to push an agenda, instead of the stuff that people will actually use.
You and your vulgar crocks. Try and follow Shakespeare's example of varying your insults more; they'll be more entertaining to read.
You love to always see the worse side of things in relation to Apple. It's evidently not occurred to you that the AAA are handing Apple a compliment in citing Siri, as it suggests that it is sufficiently popular to resonate with the general public.
At any rate, your whining is unjustified. See NolaMacGuy's post for enlightenment. And you underestimate the stupidity of drivers if you think that they will only use Siri for simple tasks. There's a reason why there are thousands of people killed by drivers every day, most of which is attributable to human error, not vehicle breakdown.
This report is by idiots, of idiots, for idiots.
Because none of the drivers who cause incalculable deaths and their accompanying misery and suffering are idiots...no, they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.