DED here on AppleInsider once walked through the entire Xerox episode. What you said and much more that shows beyond refute there was no theft or underhandedness going on. And those same people conveniently forget the Microsoft Windows story, which DED also detailed beautifully.
You guys really need to stop citing DED as a reference. His lack of credibility only hurts your position when you cite him. His piece on Apple, Xerox, and MS where he tried to rewrite history was laughable at best, intellectually dishonest at worst.
Retard means delay or hold back in terms of progress, development, or accomplishment, which is exactly what he's doing when he jacks a thread.
Lol. You should talk. How many of your godawful posts have I had to comb though to get to something sensical and on topic.
You haven't posted one thing yet about the topic!
You guys really need to stop citing DED as a reference. His lack of credibility only hurts your position when you cite him. His piece on Apple, Xerox, and MS where he tried to rewrite history was laughable at best, intellectually dishonest at worst.
Someone named DroidFTW is a great judge of whether history is accurate. :no:
Lol. You should talk. How many of your godawful posts have I had to comb though to get to something sensical and on topic.
You haven't posted one thing yet about the topic!
Many would consider Sol to be a major contributor to this forum, myself included. His responses are generally well-informed, well thought out, and he is able to respond to posters without being offensive.
However, if you do manage to elicit an offensive response from him it's probably because you've posted something really, REALLY idiotic. For the umpteenth time.
"Picasso had a saying -- 'good artists copy; great artists steal' -- and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
Explain that Jony.
The underlying idea is that you can't do great design by copying something. Take something and make it your own. Put so much of yourself into it that it’s then yours. That is the dividing line between copying and stealing.
Einstein said "The key to originality is hiding your sources”. The idea is that there are no truly original thoughts and thus there is no truly original creation, everyone is influenced by the world around them. Most inventions improve the implementation, not the idea behind them. Good artists understand how to borrow from the world around them, while a great artist takes an existing idea, makes it his own, and refines the implementation so far that it's no longer recognisable.
You guys really need to stop citing DED as a reference. His lack of credibility only hurts your position when you cite him. His piece on Apple, Xerox, and MS where he tried to rewrite history was laughable at best, intellectually dishonest at worst.
I don't recall seeing too many of his critics disprove the many, many points he's made in his articles.
I don't recall seeing too many of his critics disprove the many, many points he's made in his articles.
Hell, I haven't seen too many of them even try.
When I was new here I had Corrections present a challenge to me. He wanted 3 things that DED had printed that were verifiably false. I didn't realize it was actually DED acting under a pseudonym so I obliged in private as I didn't want to stir the pot, especially with off-topic things. I had a list of 3 ready within minutes as factual innacuracies in his articles aren't exactly hard to come by. Wouldn't ya know, I never got a response. Corrections only decided that I was a DED hater, and DED kept spewing misinformation in his articles. There comes a time where you stop reading and pointing out factual inaccuracies as it's a waste of time. After that, when you see people citing him as a source for information you just have to roll your eyes.
DED here on AppleInsider once walked through the entire Xerox episode. What you said and much more that shows beyond refute there was no theft or underhandedness going on. And those same people conveniently forget the Microsoft Windows story, which DED also detailed beautifully.
You guys really need to stop citing DED as a reference. His lack of credibility only hurts your position when you cite him. His piece on Apple, Xerox, and MS where he tried to rewrite history was laughable at best, intellectually dishonest at worst.
100%, no-money-back, spun-glass bullshit, as usual. Thanks for being consistent.
When I was new here I had Corrections present a challenge to me. He wanted 3 things that DED had printed that were verifiably false. I didn't realize it was actually DED acting under a pseudonym, but I obliged in private as I didn't want to stir the pot, especially with off-topic things. I had a list of 3 ready within minutes as factual innacuracies in his articles aren't exactly hard to come by. Wouldn't ya know, I never got a response. Corrections only decided that I was a DED hater, and DED kept spewing misinformation in his articles. There comes a time where you stop reading and pointing out factual inaccuracies as it's a waste of time. After that, when you see people citing him as a source for information you just have to roll your eyes.
Although I don't understand your reluctance to 'stir the pot' as you mentioned, three things is a very small data selection of the thousands of points made in his articles.
He's like any other writer. Sometimes he's right. And sometimes he's wrong. But I'm willing to bet he's been right a hell of a lot more times than he's been wrong.
Based on the information in his articles that I am aware of, he's generally quite accurate.
And most of the criticisms of him have been personal, and in no way an informed response to the information presented in his articles.
I find his contributions to AI to be extremely interesting and enjoyable.
Steve Jobs: "
<p style="margin:0px 0px 20px;">"Picasso had a saying -- 'good artists copy; great artists steal' -- and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas." </p>
<p style="margin:0px 0px 20px;"><span style="line-height:1.4em;">Explain that Jony.</span>
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The underlying idea is that you can't do great design by copying something. Take something and make it your own. Put so much of yourself into it that it’s then yours. That is the dividing line between copying and stealing. Einstein said "The key to originality is hiding your sources”. The idea is that there are no truly original thoughts and thus there is no truly original creation, everyone is influenced by the world around them. Most inventions improve the implementation, not the idea behind them. Good artists understand how to borrow from the world around them, while a great artist takes an existing idea, makes it his own, and refines the implementation so far that it's no longer recognisable.
Then there's the old writers' maxim: "Steal from one or two other writers and it's plagiarism, steal from three or more and it's research."
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Read again, I didn't call anyone retarded.
Funny retarded is acceptable, but a quote that's been discussed a million times over is neither funny, nor beneficial to the thread in any way.
Totally. I'm sure it was an unintentional poor phrasing based on his prior posts.
You tell me. He said it - I didn't.
Retarded? Who even uses such a term.
But move on- the thread is about copying per Jony.
You tell me. He said it - I didn't.
Don't be coy.
You seem to have been intelligent enough to have noticed that Steve Jobs has admitted publicly to theft.
What did he steal?
If you're clever enough to have spotted his admission surely you must know what he's talking about?
Retard means delay or hold back in terms of progress, development, or accomplishment, which is exactly what he's doing when he jacks a thread.
DED here on AppleInsider once walked through the entire Xerox episode. What you said and much more that shows beyond refute there was no theft or underhandedness going on. And those same people conveniently forget the Microsoft Windows story, which DED also detailed beautifully.
You guys really need to stop citing DED as a reference. His lack of credibility only hurts your position when you cite him. His piece on Apple, Xerox, and MS where he tried to rewrite history was laughable at best, intellectually dishonest at worst.
Lol. You should talk. How many of your godawful posts have I had to comb though to get to something sensical and on topic.
You haven't posted one thing yet about the topic!
Someone named DroidFTW is a great judge of whether history is accurate. :no:
Obviously you don't understand what He was talking about.
You only see the word COPY and STEAL but the quote meaning don't.
Lol. You should talk. How many of your godawful posts have I had to comb though to get to something sensical and on topic.
You haven't posted one thing yet about the topic!
Many would consider Sol to be a major contributor to this forum, myself included. His responses are generally well-informed, well thought out, and he is able to respond to posters without being offensive.
However, if you do manage to elicit an offensive response from him it's probably because you've posted something really, REALLY idiotic. For the umpteenth time.
Kind of like you just did.
Steve Jobs: "
"Picasso had a saying -- 'good artists copy; great artists steal' -- and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
Explain that Jony.
You guys really need to stop citing DED as a reference. His lack of credibility only hurts your position when you cite him. His piece on Apple, Xerox, and MS where he tried to rewrite history was laughable at best, intellectually dishonest at worst.
I don't recall seeing too many of his critics disprove the many, many points he's made in his articles.
Hell, I haven't seen too many of them even try.
I don't recall seeing too many of his critics disprove the many, many points he's made in his articles.
Hell, I haven't seen too many of them even try.
When I was new here I had Corrections present a challenge to me. He wanted 3 things that DED had printed that were verifiably false. I didn't realize it was actually DED acting under a pseudonym so I obliged in private as I didn't want to stir the pot, especially with off-topic things. I had a list of 3 ready within minutes as factual innacuracies in his articles aren't exactly hard to come by. Wouldn't ya know, I never got a response. Corrections only decided that I was a DED hater, and DED kept spewing misinformation in his articles. There comes a time where you stop reading and pointing out factual inaccuracies as it's a waste of time. After that, when you see people citing him as a source for information you just have to roll your eyes.
100%, no-money-back, spun-glass bullshit, as usual. Thanks for being consistent.
When I was new here I had Corrections present a challenge to me. He wanted 3 things that DED had printed that were verifiably false. I didn't realize it was actually DED acting under a pseudonym, but I obliged in private as I didn't want to stir the pot, especially with off-topic things. I had a list of 3 ready within minutes as factual innacuracies in his articles aren't exactly hard to come by. Wouldn't ya know, I never got a response. Corrections only decided that I was a DED hater, and DED kept spewing misinformation in his articles. There comes a time where you stop reading and pointing out factual inaccuracies as it's a waste of time. After that, when you see people citing him as a source for information you just have to roll your eyes.
Although I don't understand your reluctance to 'stir the pot' as you mentioned, three things is a very small data selection of the thousands of points made in his articles.
He's like any other writer. Sometimes he's right. And sometimes he's wrong. But I'm willing to bet he's been right a hell of a lot more times than he's been wrong.
Based on the information in his articles that I am aware of, he's generally quite accurate.
And most of the criticisms of him have been personal, and in no way an informed response to the information presented in his articles.
I find his contributions to AI to be extremely interesting and enjoyable.
Then there's the old writers' maxim: "Steal from one or two other writers and it's plagiarism, steal from three or more and it's research."
Picasso didn't even say it, it was a poet and the gist was building on the works of others that had come before.