Nearly half of Gazelle's early iPhone upgrades ordered Apple's larger, more expensive iPhone 6 Plus

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  • Reply 61 of 73
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    relic wrote: »
    First I said 5", fine I except they probably couldn't pull off the current design but I keep saying a larger iPhone 5 or 5s, why you keep focusing on the current design is beyond me, I posted my first comment to early but I added iPhone 5 before you had a chance to reply and I kept repeating iPhone 5, 5s in my last 3 posts. So continuing, the technology was absolutely their for that model and I don't believe for a second that Apple couldn't pull of the logistics, your making Apple sound like a small company with limited resources. if Samsung could make the Note 2 and 3 in large enough quantities, so could have Apple and despite how you feel about Samsung, they did sell a lot of Note 2's, 3 million in the first month and almost doubled that in the second. Though I also except that Apple has sold more iPhone 6 Plus's in the same time period but the market was also different two years ago. Sorry but what both of us have said is just conjecture but I truly believe Apple would have had no problems making a larger iPhone 5, especially an iPhone 5s. There is always these type of excuses when Apple is late to the party with anything and I just don't by it, at least not without any substantial proof.

    However again all of this was never my point, you just found something that bothered you and latched on. I was just tying to convey that people, even Apple iPhone users want large displays, despite what has been said here through out the years on the subject. Now those complaints or blatant hatred for larger phone has all but disappeared from this board,  just shows you, like anything else that people have complained about here, until Apple releases their version it sucks.

    1) Where were the 20nm ARM chips in 2012?

    2) Very few people stated they want a physically larger device. Again, it's about balance and trade-offs and the tech in the iPhone 6 series WAS NOT POSSIBLE IN 2012 SO STOP SAYING IT WAS!

    3) Here is the 2012 Galaxy Note you're now trying to compare to the iPhone 6 Plus…

    solipsismx wrote:
    RELESE DATE: earliest to most recent
    1. iPhone: 3.5"; 135 g; 115 mm × 61 mm × 11.6 mm = 81,374 mm<sup>3</sup>
    2. iPhone 3G: 3.5"; 133 g; 115.5 mm × 62.1 mm × 12.3 mm = 88,222 mm<sup>3</sup>
    3. iPhone 3GS: 3.5"; 135 g; 115.5 mm × 62.1 mm × 12.3 mm = 88,222 mm<sup>3</sup>
    4. iPhone 4: 3.5"; 137 g; 115.2 mm × 58.6 mm × 9.3 mm = 62,782 mm<sup>3</sup>
    5. iPhone 4S: 3.5"; 140 g; 115.2 mm × 58.6 mm × 9.3 mm = 62,782 mm<sup>3</sup>
    6. Galaxy Note 2: 5.5"; 185 g; 151.1 mm × 80.5 mm × 9.7 mm = 117,986 mm<sup>3</sup>
    7. iPhone 5: 4.0"; 112 g; 123.8 mm × 58.6 mm × 7.6 mm = 55,136 mm<sup>3</sup>
    8. iPhone 5S: 4.0"; 112 g; 123.8 mm × 58.6 mm × 7.6 mm = 55,136 mm<sup>3</sup>
    9. iPhone 5C: 4.0"; 132 g; 124.4 mm × 59.2 mm × 8.97 mm = 66,059 mm<sup>3</sup>
    10. Samsung Galaxy S5: 5.1"; 145 g; 142 mm × 72.5 mm × 8.1 mm = 83,390 mm<sup>3</sup>
    11. iPhone 6: 4.7"; 129 g; 138.1 mm × 67.0 mm × 6.9 mm = 63,844 mm<sup>3</sup>
    12. iPhone 6 Plus: 5.5"; 172 g; 158.1 mm × 77.8 mm × 7.1 mm = 87,331 mm <sup>3</sup>
    13. Samsung Note 4: 5.7"; 176 g; 153.5 mm × 78.6 mm × 8.5 mm = 102,553 mm <sup>3</sup>



    DISPLAY SIZE: smallest to largest
    1. iPhone: 3.5"; 135 g; 115 mm × 61 mm × 11.6 mm = 81,374 mm<sup>3</sup>
    2. iPhone 3G: 3.5"; 133 g; 115.5 mm × 62.1 mm × 12.3 mm = 88,222 mm<sup>3</sup>
    3. iPhone 3GS: 3.5"; 135 g; 115.5 mm × 62.1 mm × 12.3 mm = 88,222 mm<sup>3</sup>
    4. iPhone 4: 3.5"; 137 g; 115.2 mm × 58.6 mm × 9.3 mm = 62,782 mm<sup>3</sup>
    5. iPhone 4S: 3.5"; 140 g; 115.2 mm × 58.6 mm × 9.3 mm = 62,782 mm<sup>3</sup>
    6. iPhone 5: 4.0"; 112 g; 123.8 mm × 58.6 mm × 7.6 mm = 55,136 mm<sup>3</sup>
    7. iPhone 5S: 4.0"; 112 g; 123.8 mm × 58.6 mm × 7.6 mm = 55,136 mm<sup>3</sup>
    8. iPhone 5C: 4.0"; 132 g; 124.4 mm × 59.2 mm × 8.97 mm = 66,059 mm<sup>3</sup>
    9. iPhone 6: 4.7"; 129 g; 138.1 mm × 67.0 mm × 6.9 mm = 63,844 mm<sup>3</sup>
    10. Samsung Galaxy S5: 5.1"; 145 g; 142 mm × 72.5 mm × 8.1 mm = 83,390 mm <sup>3</sup>
    11. Galaxy Note 2: 5.5"; 185 g; 151.1 mm × 80.5 mm × 9.7 mm = 117,986 mm<sup>3</sup>
    12. iPhone 6 Plus: 5.5"; 172 g; 158.1 mm × 77.8 mm × 7.1 mm = 87,331 mm<sup>3</sup>
    13. Samsung Note 4: 5.7"; 176 g; 153.5 mm × 78.6 mm × 8.5 mm = 102,553 mm <sup>3</sup>



    WEIGHT: lightest to heaviest
    1. iPhone 5: 4.0"; 112 g; 123.8 mm × 58.6 mm × 7.6 mm = 55,136 mm<sup>3</sup>
    2. iPhone 5S: 4.0"; 112 g; 123.8 mm × 58.6 mm × 7.6 mm = 55,136 mm<sup>3</sup>
    3. iPhone 6: 4.7"; 129 g; 138.1 mm × 67.0 mm × 6.9 mm = 63,844 mm<sup>3</sup>
    4. iPhone 5C: 4.0"; 132 g; 124.4 mm × 59.2 mm × 8.97 mm = 66,059 mm<sup>3</sup>
    5. iPhone 3G: 3.5"; 133 g; 115.5 mm × 62.1 mm × 12.3 mm = 88,222 mm<sup>3</sup>
    6. Phone: 3.5"; 135 g; 115 mm × 61 mm × 11.6 mm = 81,374 mm<sup>3</sup>
    7. Phone 3GS: 3.5"; 135 g; 115.5 mm × 62.1 mm × 12.3 mm = 88,222 mm<sup>3</sup>
    8. iPhone 4: 3.5"; 137 g; 115.2 mm × 58.6 mm × 9.3 mm = 62,782 mm<sup>3</sup>
    9. iPhone 4S: 3.5"; 140 g; 115.2 mm × 58.6 mm × 9.3 mm = 62,782 mm<sup>3</sup>
    10. Samsung Galaxy S5: 5.1"; 145 g; 142 mm × 72.5 mm × 8.1 mm = 83,390 mm<sup>3</sup>
    11. iPhone 6 Plus: 5.5"; 172 g; 158.1 mm × 77.8 mm × 7.1 mm = 87,331 mm <sup>3</sup>
    12. Samsung Note 4: 5.7"; 176 g; 153.5 mm × 78.6 mm × 8.5 mm = 102,553 mm <sup>3</sup>
    13. Galaxy Note 2: 5.5"; 185 g; 151.1 mm × 80.5 mm × 9.7 mm = 117,986 mm<sup>3</sup>



    BOX VOLUME: smallest to largest
    1. iPhone 5: 4.0"; 112 g; 123.8 mm × 58.6 mm × 7.6 mm = 55,136 mm<sup>3</sup>
    2. iPhone 5S: 4.0"; 112 g; 123.8 mm × 58.6 mm × 7.6 mm = 55,136 mm<sup>3</sup>
    3. iPhone 4: 3.5"; 137 g; 115.2 mm × 58.6 mm × 9.3 mm = 62,782 mm<sup>3</sup>
    4. iPhone 4S: 3.5"; 140 g; 115.2 mm × 58.6 mm × 9.3 mm = 62,782 mm<sup>3</sup>
    5. iPhone 6: 4.7"; 129 g; 138.1 mm × 67.0 mm × 6.9 mm = 63,844 mm<sup>3</sup>
    6. iPhone 5C: 4.0"; 132 g; 124.4 mm × 59.2 mm × 8.97 mm = 66,059 mm<sup>3</sup>
    7. Phone: 3.5"; 135 g; 115 mm × 61 mm × 11.6 mm = 81,374 mm<sup>3</sup>
    8. Samsung Galaxy S5: 145 g; 142 mm × 72.5 mm × 8.1 mm = 83,390 mm <sup>3</sup>
    9. iPhone 6 Plus: 172 g; 158.1 mm × 77.8 mm × 7.1 mm = 87,331 mm <sup>3</sup>
    10. iPhone 3G: 3.5"; 133 g; 115.5 mm × 62.1 mm × 12.3 mm = 88,222 mm<sup>3</sup>
    11. Phone 3GS: 3.5"; 135 g; 115.5 mm × 62.1 mm × 12.3 mm = 88,222 mm<sup>3</sup>
    12. Samsung Note 4: 176 g; 153.5 mm × 78.6 mm × 8.5 mm = 102,553 mm<sup>3</sup>
    13. Galaxy Note 2: 5.5"; 185 g; 151.1 mm × 80.5 mm × 9.7 mm = 117,986 mm<sup>3</sup>



    DEPTH: thinnest to thickest *NEW*
    1. iPhone 6: 4.7"; 129 g; 138.1 mm × 67.0 mm × 6.9 mm = 63,844 mm<sup>3</sup>
    2. iPhone 6 Plus: 172 g; 158.1 mm × 77.8 mm × 7.1 mm = 87,331 mm<sup>3</sup>
    3. iPhone 5: 4.0"; 112 g; 123.8 mm × 58.6 mm × 7.6 mm = 55,136 mm<sup>3</sup>
    4. iPhone 5S: 4.0"; 112 g; 123.8 mm × 58.6 mm × 7.6 mm = 55,136 mm<sup>3</sup>
    5. Samsung Galaxy S5: 145 g; 142 mm × 72.5 mm × 8.1 mm = 83,390 mm <sup>3</sup>
    6. Samsung Note 4: 176 g; 153.5 mm × 78.6 mm × 8.5 mm = 102,553 mm <sup>3</sup>
    7. iPhone 5C: 4.0"; 132 g; 124.4 mm × 59.2 mm × 8.97 mm = 66,059 mm<sup>3</sup>
    8. iPhone 4: 3.5"; 137 g; 115.2 mm × 58.6 mm × 9.3 mm = 62,782 mm<sup>3</sup>
    9. iPhone 4S: 3.5"; 140 g; 115.2 mm × 58.6 mm × 9.3 mm = 62,782 mm<sup>3</sup>
    10. Galaxy Note 2: 5.5"; 185 g; 151.1 mm × 80.5 mm × 9.7 mm = 117,986 mm<sup>3</sup>
    11. Phone: 3.5"; 135 g; 115 mm × 61 mm × 11.6 mm = 81,374 mm<sup>3</sup>
    12. iPhone 3G: 3.5"; 133 g; 115.5 mm × 62.1 mm × 12.3 mm = 88,222 mm<sup>3</sup>
    13. Phone 3GS: 3.5"; 135 g; 115.5 mm × 62.1 mm × 12.3 mm = 88,222 mm<sup>3</sup>


    So the the iPhone 6 Plus is much smaller, lighter, and faster than the Note 2, yet it has nearly 3x the pixels to push and a battery life that far exceeds the Note 2 and you want us to believe Apple could have done that in 2012 because they aren't a "small company" and therefore, according to your logic, don't have limited resources.


    PS: Weren't you complaining earlier in this thread that Samsung gets compared to Apple and then you bring up the Galaxy Note 2 as soon bizarre proof that Apple could have made the iPhone 6 Plus 2 years earlier? :???:
  • Reply 62 of 73
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    He wrote, "Welcome, new iPhone owners", not "Welcome, new to iPhone."

    Thats idiotic. It makes zero sense to welcome somebody to a thing they already have.

    Clearly the OP didn't think it thru, that upgrades weren't newbie iPhone buyers buying big iPhones because, android.
  • Reply 63 of 73
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    relic wrote: »
    Does it always have to be about beating Samsung, really, who cares, you guys don't even use their products so why is it so necessary to mention them so much. Other than some silly human need to villainize the things you don't like it makes absolutely no sense to me.

    That's in your head. It's entirely relevant to compare ARPs of the two leading (and basically only) profit earners in a sector. Entirely.
  • Reply 64 of 73
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    nolamacguy wrote: »
    Thats idiotic. It makes zero sense to welcome somebody to a thing they already have.

    Clearly the OP didn't think it thru, that upgrades weren't newbie iPhone buyers buying big iPhones because, android.

    I saw a banner that said Welcome Homeowners just last weekend. Does that imply first time homeowners or simply one that has bought a home? I feel the context are different, but each statement could also be more heavily qualified to be more specific. I think the OP just didn't append the "6" because they felt it was obvious. I prefer to write it as "6 series," and you'll see me to do that to make sure to imply both models of this year's iPhone. As I stated earlier, it wasn't as clear as it could have been, but I feel I understand the OP's intent.
  • Reply 65 of 73
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    staticx57 wrote: »
    I was talking about mainly about the display quality but you have some valid points. But for my preferences I would rather pay more to have the higher quality screen of the Air. And while the point of less expensive is true, I feel that the marginal cost to upgrade to the Air more than makes up for what you get when you do. And now with the iPad mini 3 compared to the iPad Air 2, I could not justify the downgrade in quality for the price difference. But I guess none of this matters as I do not really want a tablet in any size.

    Choosing between the mini and air isn't about "upgrading" to the air because it's bigger or has a better color gamut. It's about desired/needed form factor. Size. That's the main point and purpose of the mini. The air physically could not do the job to be done we needed a mini for.
  • Reply 66 of 73
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    nolamacguy wrote: »
    Choosing between the mini and air isn't about "upgrading" to the air because it's bigger or has a better color gamut. It's about desired/needed form factor. Size. That's the main point and purpose of the mini. The air physically could not do the job to be done we needed a mini for.

    One thing I liked about the iPad mini, and a big reason why I compromised on the display quality last year was my ability to slide it into my back pocket when I left the house to walk downtown somewhere. A better quality display would have been great, but the size was important. That size, the resolution on the original iPad mini was a deal breaker which kept me holding onto my iPad 3 for another year.
  • Reply 67 of 73
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    harry wild wrote: »
    I am waiting for Apple to fix all of the problems with the iPhone 6 + before I place my order! 

    Just do not want to have any problems going forward!  

    Looks like it going to take a while to fix - especially the bending below the volume switch.   The others should be easier to solve!

    Huh? Fix what problems?

    As for bending, the only demonstrated bending problem is when you grip it in two hands and attempt to bend it. Don't do that. Problem solved.
  • Reply 68 of 73
    nolamacguynolamacguy Posts: 4,758member
    solipsismx wrote: »
    I saw a banner that said Welcome Homeowners just last weekend. Does that imply first time homeowners or simply one that has bought a home? I feel the context are different, but each statement could also be more heavily qualified to be more specific. I think the OP just didn't append the "6" because they felt it was obvious. I prefer to write it as "6 series," and you'll see me to do that to make sure to imply both models of this year's iPhone. As I stated earlier, it wasn't as clear as it could have been, but I feel I understand the OP's intent.

    Not buying it. There'd still be absolutely no reason to welcome new-to-iPhone-6-only owners because they're already familiar and at home in the ecosystem. It'd be like if you replaced your shoes with a new pair from the current year -- welcoming you wouldn't make any sense because you're already quite familiar with the brand and the shoe, it's only a newer version.

    The OP's comment doesn't make sense, and while I wouldn't have wasted the time, the crit pointing that out is accurate. The rest of this is mental gymnastics to get it to make sense. Fruitless.
  • Reply 69 of 73
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    nolamacguy wrote: »
    Not buying it. There'd still be absolutely no reason to welcome new-to-iPhone-6-only owners because they're already familiar and at home in the ecosystem. It'd be like if you replaced your shoes with a new pair from the current year -- welcoming you wouldn't make any sense because you're already quite familiar with the brand and the shoe, it's only a newer version.

    The OP's comment doesn't make sense, and while I wouldn't have wasted the time, the crit pointing that out is accurate. The rest of this is mental gymnastics to get it to make sense. Fruitless.

    Shoes are a great example. If I'm trying on new shoes and the clerk says, "How do you like your shoes?" I know very well he is referring to new shoes I am trying on, and probably not asking about the old shoes I came in with unless there is some reason likely made obvious through other cues that he is asking about the cues I already own. Again, his comment was ambiguous, but in the context I felt it was very easy to decipher without being confusing to the reader. Although, I guess I could respond to the clerk, "What do you mean, 'How do I like my shoes?" Clearly I have some issue with them if I am looking to replace them by a different pair. If you mean the ones I'm trying on let me point out that these are not my shoes even though there is a common myth that possession is 9/10th of the law." That would just be ridiculous, even though ambiguous statements are common in English (if not all spoken languages). Hell, we wouldn't have most comedy without the ability to interpret language differently.
  • Reply 70 of 73
    relicrelic Posts: 4,735member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    1) Where were the 20nm ARM chips in 2012?



    2) Very few people stated they want a physically larger device. Again, it's about balance and trade-offs and the tech in the iPhone 6 series WAS NOT POSSIBLE IN 2012 SO STOP SAYING IT WAS!



    3) Here is the 2012 Galaxy Note you're now trying to compare to the iPhone 6 Plus…

    So the the iPhone 6 Plus is much smaller, lighter, and faster than the Note 2, yet it has nearly 3x the pixels to push and a battery life that far exceeds the Note 2 and you want us to believe Apple could have done that in 2012 because they aren't a "small company" and therefore, according to your logic, don't have limited resources.





    PS: Weren't you complaining earlier in this thread that Samsung gets compared to Apple and then you bring up the Galaxy Note 2 as soon bizarre proof that Apple could have made the iPhone 6 Plus 2 years earlier? image

     

    Come on SolipsismX, be reasonable, I'm not using the iPhone 6 as a reference, in fact I only mentioned it once in my first post and admitted that it’s design was probably to complicated for the time and you know this. I’m talking about the iPhone 5 and the iPhone 5s both of which could have been enlarged to at least 5" and kept it’s 7.6mm thickness using technology current to the time. Saying Apple didn't posses the know how or technology to do so, especially when the iPhone 5s came out is kind of silly don’t you think. The iPhone 5 didn't have to downscale it's resolution from 2208x1242, like iPhone 6 either. If you look at the iPad 4 which was also released at the same time as the iPhone 5, it used a quad-core PowerVR SGX554MP4 and had a display resolution of 2048×1536, so the iPhone 5 could have easily pushed a resolution of 1080P with it's tri-core PowerVR SGX543MP4, as is even stated of being able to do so in it's specs. 5”, 5.5” inch displays and phones with that resolution existed in 2012, albeit late 2012, so I’m not really sure why your fighting me on this. Granted they weren’t the thinnest of phones but Apple could have still used the iPhone 5’s design without issue. The Oppo Find 5, HTC Droid DNA, HTC Butterfly and the ZTE Nubia Z5, which by the way also had a thickness of 7.6mm which is exactly the same as the iPhone 5, not bad, though ZTE might have had better engineers at the time, well they must have right, I mean that is basically what your conceding too, all had 5” plus displays running at 1080p, so the technology was most defiantly available at the time.

     

    Look I don't want to argue this any more, it's not going any where, you have your theories and I have my mine. So if it makes you feel any better you win the argument. Luv yea and sleep well.

  • Reply 71 of 73
    shsfshsf Posts: 302member

    That's true. Having said that, I do think they waited to get it just right, and not because they felt they were late to the game, but because they genuinely felt the technology wasn't good enough to make for a great customer experience, which translates to slim enough with good battery life and ALSO, which is more important, apple's and 3rd party apps being just there to actually make good use of the larger screen. I opted for the 6 plus for that very reason, video editing, photo editing on the go with a large enough device to be able to get some work done. 

     

    Samsung has an ample supply of good displays, they don't have the brains to put them to good use, even their own panels on their own models are considerably worse than when nec or eizo get their hands on them. Slap on a good display at any size or from factor with a megapixel count, put it in an atrociously designed enclosure (to the point of someone actually thinking it's done on purpose - as opposed to some lovely nokia designs that Relic likes), stick some android on and bloatware and add the worst customer service on the globe and you get a samsung tablet, phablet or phone. 

  • Reply 72 of 73
    shsfshsf Posts: 302member
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Relic View Post

     

     

    Oh gosh why not, their awesome, even if you own one for casual reading and surfing. I would start out with something small and inexpensive, the Kindle HDX actually makes a really good starter tablet.




    It is indeed, plus they've implemented a quantum dot display and some great sound there. I also like what they are trying to do with their fork of android, instead of the samsung slap on party, which reminds me of the good (not) old pc days when every manufacturer would slap on tons of useless crap to claim they were actually brining something to the table. Well, they did, bloatware. 

  • Reply 73 of 73

    One thing these sales figures DO show us:

    Many people wanted larger screens, but they wanted iOS more than they wanted the larger screen.

     

    If larger screens were the only thing they wanted, the big-screen android variants would have been out-selling iOS phones.  People were willing to give up the big screen before they would give up iOS. 

     

    The hardware in Apple's devices can certainly be replicated by any manufacturer... it's iOS that differentiates them.

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