What bigotry? Jesse Jackson is a WELL KNOWN race-baiter that uses any and all means to advance his racist agenda. If you don't meet with Jackson (or Sharpton for that matter) they demonize you to anyone and everyone who will listen as a bigot and a racist until they get their way. It's sad really. Jackson likes to claim he's doing this in the name of "Inclusiveness" when all he's really doing is using racial-polarization & hate-speech to further his own ends.
In order gain any credibility on this, you are going to have to cite credible sources that appear to both support and reject your assertions, because it is already clear that Apple and Tim Cook do not view Jackson as you do. And as far as this discussion is concerned, your claims only serve to throw more dirt on what is already a clouded issue. If what you say is "WELL KNOWN," then it shouldn't be too hard for you to find credible arguments that support and oppose what you say. If clarity is what you want to create, present views representing both sides of the issue.
Jackson has already met and had a discussion with the CEO of Apple, and so it would appear that Jackson's own credibility--one way or the other--is not a foregone conclusion as you would have us think and believe.
You're right. They weren't hard to find. Took me all of five minutes to find these:
It's no surprise that there is a vacuum at the heart of Apple.
They should not be committing to diversity in the slightest. Their only commitment should be getting the best man for the job, be he white, male or straight.
I suppose this is Cook's way of giving us a heads up to say:
“Yep, put the cocoa on, folks. Nothing new coming for a while. Have some politics and fashion trinkets to keep you going in the meantime.”
Yes It's unfortunate that Tim Cook had to meet with this scumbag but it's like having your alcoholic or drug addict Brother, Sister or Uncle etc..at your wedding... you have to put up with them because the rest of the family has to live with him. Hopefully you'll get through the day without a outburst by this person or "creating a bad scene" and sometimes they act up.
I'm all too familiar with Mr. Jackson from having lived in Chicago for 6 years... Many there hate him because he shows up at special events uninvited. I've witnessed him getting boo'd out of a couple events by his own people and was shocked by how many people despise him till I found out more.
If he ever started bashing Tim Cook or Apple Nationally or in the Media I'm afraid of how I might react... he the biggest piece of shit I've ever witnessed and will piss on his grave when he croaks!
What bigotry? Jesse Jackson is a WELL KNOWN race-baiter that uses any and all means to advance his racist agenda. If you don't meet with Jackson (or Sharpton for that matter) they demonize you to anyone and everyone who will listen as a bigot and a racist until they get their way. It's sad really. Jackson likes to claim he's doing this in the name of "Inclusiveness" when all he's really doing is using racial-polarization
In order gain any credibility on this, you are going to have to cite credible sources that appear to both support and reject your assertions, because it is already clear that Apple and Tim Cook do not view Jackson as you do. And as far as this discussion is concerned, your claims only serve to throw more dirt on what is already a clouded issue. If what you say is "WELL KNOWN," then it shouldn't be too hard for you to find credible arguments that support and oppose what you say. If clarity is what you want to create, present views representing both sides of the issue.
Jackson has already met and had a discussion with the CEO of Apple, and so it would appear that Jackson's own credibility--one way or the other--is not a foregone conclusion as you would have us think and believe.
You're right. They weren't hard to find. Took me all of five minutes to find these:
The fact that this is the list of sources you're dredging up (to validate a statement on which you're directionally right) does not make your case very well. It's a rather piss-poor list.
Why would a progressive site call Jackson a craven opportunist? Doesn't change the fact that he is.
I have no idea what you're saying. What does a site being 'progressive' (what does that mean anyway?) or not have to do with the first sentence I originally wrote (i.e., the one to which I was referring)?
I have no idea what you're saying. What does a site being 'progressive' (what does that mean anyway?) or not have to do with the first sentence I originally wrote (i.e., the one to which I was referring)?
Yes, you're right. You criticized Jackson for his tactics, but then why did you pre-criticize others for opinions not yet expressed?
The fact that this is the list of sources you're dredging up (to validate a statement on which you're directionally right) does not make your case very well. It's a rather piss-poor list.
OK... All of you who criticize this story and Jesse Jackson?
You're ALL RACISTS! Cause you say what you say without any proof..
Yeah, that's right!
If it was really the case, that Jesse Jackson is a race-hustler with low morals who uses a painful subject as an legal pseudo extortion racket and moneymaking opportunity, don't you think we'd know about it?
Hmmm? If you were really on to something, there'd be stories in the news media about all sorts of dodgy stuff his kids did, because they'd follow the example and precedent that he set, and learned the lack of morals from him! Like father like son, after all, and eve-oh-ehm, wait a minute... What about his son?
He did WHAT with his donations?!? Oh wow... That's low... But ok, note how he cooperated with the prosecutor and was only sent in the slammer for four years.
Regardless... Now where was I? Oh yes: You can't judge a man by the actions of his children, and Jesse Jackson isn't responsible for the corruption of his son!
But we know that he isn't a "race-hustler" as you called him, or just meeting with Tim Cook to shake him up for some donations, because in his own life Jesse Jackson has always been a paragon of virtue and example to emulate, clean as a whistle disreg-ehh-ehm...
Wait a second folks.... WHAA?!? An extramarital affair you say? Doesn't see his own child?
And he tried to pay off the mother?!? With a tax dodge??? Wow... That's really harsh!
But anyways... Where did I get to? Oh yeah: The point I was making, was that regardless on the failures in his personal life, and we are all sinners however hard we try, that we can know that Jesse Jackson is on to something!
How? Not just because the community is united behind him. That was true when he started the protests in Ferguson just like it always have been. And look at the great advances that he has tirelessly championed! You make it sound as if he just shows up every couple of years to ask for money, but look at how much his bold advocacy has chang-ehm-oh.... The community ISNT? I see.. And he's been banging that drum for 15 years? Oh wow... No results whatsoever besides checks, eh?
Ok folks, turns out that you may not be racists. Not that it would really be relevant on a tech site, but regardless...
Screw Jesse Jackson, he apparently is an opportunist, a race hustler and a scam artist. And it is a shame that Tim Cook fell for it. he should steer way clear of politics just like Steve did it.
Why? He doesn't represent all of the customers. Because racists of all colors buy Apple hardware. As well as non-racists. And homophobes and hererophobes. And Christians, Muslims and atheists.
Because what we buy or what we like doesn't have to represent or be in perfect allignment with our views or opinions. We are not just consumers afterall.
Companies should focus on the skill set of their future hires rather than ethnicity, race or color. I don't like where this is going..
Right... Qualifications are what matter, and ethnicity and skin color shouldn't be considered, right? Here's the thing...
There are two different views on racism.
Most reasonable people who share your opinion regarding qualifications being the important factor, would say that racism is mistreating people because of their skin color. And that we should treat people equally, no?
And we should in most cases act "color blind". Not see color, right?
But according to the other view of racism, the above is actually racism... Instead we should give special protections and resources to minorities.
Special exams and tests in schools, a special justice system, and of course corporations should set jobs aside for them. Because qualifications are racist!
The other view of racism is called "critical race theory" and was developed, and is being taught in colleges by Marxists of the particular fanatical kind.
You know, the ones who can't say "racism" without also saying something about white male privilege or neo-colonial attitudes.
The kind of people who believe it's "ableist" to make deaf people hear. Or sexist to say there are two sexes.
And who will be busy protesting the genocide on transsexual people of color in Europe after classes are over. (Because somebody was denied a special privilege somewhere...)
The current Ferguson protests are for a large part organized by this group. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have only hitched a ride with them, and are hoping for some relevance and $$$.
And the rest of us should worry about Tim Cook giving these people any time. And try to understand that its racist to treat people equally. Or disagreeing with it being racist.
And why are we so full of hate that we try not to differentiate based on race?
Right... Qualifications are what matter, and ethnicity and skin color shouldn't be considered, right? Here's the thing...
There are two different views on racism.
Most reasonable people who share your opinion regarding qualifications being the important factor, would say that racism is mistreating people because of their skin color. And that we should treat people equally, no?
And we should in most cases act "color blind". Not see color, right?
But according to the other view of racism, the above is actually racism... Instead we should give special protections and resources to minorities.
Special exams and tests in schools, a special justice system, and of course corporations should set jobs aside for them. Because qualifications are racist!
The other view of racism is called "critical race theory" and was developed, and is being taught in colleges by Marxists of the particular fanatical kind.
You know, the ones who can't say "racism" without also saying something about white male privilege or neo-colonial attitudes.
The kind of people who believe it's "ableist" to make deaf people hear. Or sexist to say there are two sexes.
And who will be busy protesting the genocide on transsexual people of color in Europe after classes are over. (Because somebody was denied a special privilege somewhere...)
The current Ferguson protests are for a large part organized by this group. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have only hitched a ride with them, and are hoping for some relevance and $$$.
And the rest of us should worry about Tim Cook giving these people any time. And try to understand that its racist to treat people equally. Or disagreeing with it being racist.
And why are we so full of hate that we try not to differentiate based on race?
I agree with everything you said, except this line is confusingly worded: "And try to understand that its racist to treat people equally."
Treating people equally is a personal choice, so I wouldn't say it is racist to do so. If the law dictates behavior in a way contrary to our constitutionally protected individual rights, then that's a problem.
Much as I am offended and saddened by the likes of Jackson and Sharpton, their tactics, and their role in public discourse, it is even more offensive and sad to see the level of bigotry that pops up here on the AI boards every time there's a story involving a black person, a poor country, Obama, gays, or women.
And it's the same list of posters that pops up every single time. Everyone knows who they are....
Figure out a way to deal with this, AI. Otherwise your site runs the risk of getting hijacked -- and ultimately, destroyed -- by a bunch of cultural and political zealots.
I'm glad I am not the only one that noticed the fringe KKK comments. Thankfully, Apple as a culture doesn't agree with their politics and viewpoint and its unlikely to change in the near future. I'm not for Jackson, but I am sure Tim has it under control, its not like people here know exactly what they are talking about, they just like to think they do.
Okay this is going to come off bad, but I been involve in these attempts to diversify the geek community for over 20 yrs and nothing has changed. Why?
If minority in this country want more opportunities in the Geek industries other than low paying supporting roles they some how have to figure out how to change their genetic make up to be come more geek like. Yes better education will help, but unless someone have the desire and abilities to be a techno geek there is no amount of pushing and prodding and more education will do to convert minorities or non-geek type into a geek. These groups of individual do not go into engineering and such since they have no interest in it. It like making someone who can not heat the beat in a song into a musician (yeah we all seen Rebecca Black and auto-tune and she was called out as a fake) it will not happen, as it someone who can does not like engineering can not be made into an engineer.
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What bigotry? Jesse Jackson is a WELL KNOWN race-baiter that uses any and all means to advance his racist agenda. If you don't meet with Jackson (or Sharpton for that matter) they demonize you to anyone and everyone who will listen as a bigot and a racist until they get their way. It's sad really. Jackson likes to claim he's doing this in the name of "Inclusiveness" when all he's really doing is using racial-polarization & hate-speech to further his own ends.
In order gain any credibility on this, you are going to have to cite credible sources that appear to both support and reject your assertions, because it is already clear that Apple and Tim Cook do not view Jackson as you do. And as far as this discussion is concerned, your claims only serve to throw more dirt on what is already a clouded issue. If what you say is "WELL KNOWN," then it shouldn't be too hard for you to find credible arguments that support and oppose what you say. If clarity is what you want to create, present views representing both sides of the issue.
Jackson has already met and had a discussion with the CEO of Apple, and so it would appear that Jackson's own credibility--one way or the other--is not a foregone conclusion as you would have us think and believe.
You're right. They weren't hard to find. Took me all of five minutes to find these:
http://conservativetribune.com/ferguson-turns-on-sharpton-jackson-obama/
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/former-naacp-leader-accuses-sharpton-and-jackson-of-exploiting-trayvon-martin/
http://www.foxbusiness.com/business-leaders/2014/03/26/jesse-jacksons-silicon-valley-shakedown/
http://nlpc.org/stories/2014/05/29/jesse-jackson-takes-shakedown-campaign-silicon-valley-extracts-concessions-timid-
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/protestors-call-jesse-jackson-shakedown-artist
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2006/jackson-report.pdf
Want any more?
He recently took part in an interview with Nadella and Microsoft.
They should not be committing to diversity in the slightest. Their only commitment should be getting the best man for the job, be he white, male or straight.
I suppose this is Cook's way of giving us a heads up to say:
“Yep, put the cocoa on, folks. Nothing new coming for a while. Have some politics and fashion trinkets to keep you going in the meantime.”
I'm all too familiar with Mr. Jackson from having lived in Chicago for 6 years... Many there hate him because he shows up at special events uninvited. I've witnessed him getting boo'd out of a couple events by his own people and was shocked by how many people despise him till I found out more.
If he ever started bashing Tim Cook or Apple Nationally or in the Media I'm afraid of how I might react... he the biggest piece of shit I've ever witnessed and will piss on his grave when he croaks!
Did you read the first sentence I wrote?
The fact that this is the list of sources you're dredging up (to validate a statement on which you're directionally right) does not make your case very well. It's a rather piss-poor list.
But it does explain a lot about your views.
Why would a progressive site call Jackson a craven opportunist? Doesn't change the fact that he is.
And lest anyone forget (caution, offensive language):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/2420533/Jesse-Jackson-forced-to-apologise-again-for-racist-slur.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/jackson.htm
Did you read the first sentence I wrote?
Why would a progressive site call Jackson a craven opportunist? Doesn't change the fact that he is.
I have no idea what you're saying. What does a site being 'progressive' (what does that mean anyway?) or not have to do with the first sentence I originally wrote (i.e., the one to which I was referring)?
Yes, you're right. You criticized Jackson for his tactics, but then why did you pre-criticize others for opinions not yet expressed?
So no explanation why?
Don’t play stupid.
I’m proud to be ‘racist’ against a racist. Now shut up.
You're ALL RACISTS! Cause you say what you say without any proof..
Yeah, that's right!
If it was really the case, that Jesse Jackson is a race-hustler with low morals who uses a painful subject as an legal pseudo extortion racket and moneymaking opportunity, don't you think we'd know about it?
Hmmm? If you were really on to something, there'd be stories in the news media about all sorts of dodgy stuff his kids did, because they'd follow the example and precedent that he set, and learned the lack of morals from him! Like father like son, after all, and eve-oh-ehm, wait a minute... What about his son?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson,_Jr.
He did WHAT with his donations?!? Oh wow... That's low... But ok, note how he cooperated with the prosecutor and was only sent in the slammer for four years.
Regardless... Now where was I? Oh yes: You can't judge a man by the actions of his children, and Jesse Jackson isn't responsible for the corruption of his son!
But we know that he isn't a "race-hustler" as you called him, or just meeting with Tim Cook to shake him up for some donations, because in his own life Jesse Jackson has always been a paragon of virtue and example to emulate, clean as a whistle disreg-ehh-ehm...
Wait a second folks.... WHAA?!? An extramarital affair you say? Doesn't see his own child?
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/03/08/jackson.finances.02/index.html?iref=allsearch
And he tried to pay off the mother?!? With a tax dodge??? Wow... That's really harsh!
But anyways... Where did I get to? Oh yeah: The point I was making, was that regardless on the failures in his personal life, and we are all sinners however hard we try, that we can know that Jesse Jackson is on to something!
How? Not just because the community is united behind him. That was true when he started the protests in Ferguson just like it always have been. And look at the great advances that he has tirelessly championed! You make it sound as if he just shows up every couple of years to ask for money, but look at how much his bold advocacy has chang-ehm-oh.... The community ISNT? I see.. And he's been banging that drum for 15 years? Oh wow... No results whatsoever besides checks, eh?
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/01/23/jackson.black.leaders/index.html?iref=allsearch
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9903/11/diversity.idg/index.html?iref=allsearch
Ok folks, turns out that you may not be racists. Not that it would really be relevant on a tech site, but regardless...
Screw Jesse Jackson, he apparently is an opportunist, a race hustler and a scam artist. And it is a shame that Tim Cook fell for it. he should steer way clear of politics just like Steve did it.
Why? He doesn't represent all of the customers. Because racists of all colors buy Apple hardware. As well as non-racists. And homophobes and hererophobes. And Christians, Muslims and atheists.
Because what we buy or what we like doesn't have to represent or be in perfect allignment with our views or opinions. We are not just consumers afterall.
Obama lumped in as a "race hustler" with Sharpton and Jackson? Hardly.
Companies should focus on the skill set of their future hires rather than ethnicity, race or color. I don't like where this is going..
Right... Qualifications are what matter, and ethnicity and skin color shouldn't be considered, right? Here's the thing...
There are two different views on racism.
Most reasonable people who share your opinion regarding qualifications being the important factor, would say that racism is mistreating people because of their skin color. And that we should treat people equally, no?
And we should in most cases act "color blind". Not see color, right?
But according to the other view of racism, the above is actually racism... Instead we should give special protections and resources to minorities.
Special exams and tests in schools, a special justice system, and of course corporations should set jobs aside for them. Because qualifications are racist!
The other view of racism is called "critical race theory" and was developed, and is being taught in colleges by Marxists of the particular fanatical kind.
You know, the ones who can't say "racism" without also saying something about white male privilege or neo-colonial attitudes.
The kind of people who believe it's "ableist" to make deaf people hear. Or sexist to say there are two sexes.
And who will be busy protesting the genocide on transsexual people of color in Europe after classes are over. (Because somebody was denied a special privilege somewhere...)
The current Ferguson protests are for a large part organized by this group. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have only hitched a ride with them, and are hoping for some relevance and $$$.
And the rest of us should worry about Tim Cook giving these people any time. And try to understand that its racist to treat people equally. Or disagreeing with it being racist.
And why are we so full of hate that we try not to differentiate based on race?
I agree with everything you said, except this line is confusingly worded: "And try to understand that its racist to treat people equally."
Treating people equally is a personal choice, so I wouldn't say it is racist to do so. If the law dictates behavior in a way contrary to our constitutionally protected individual rights, then that's a problem.
Much as I am offended and saddened by the likes of Jackson and Sharpton, their tactics, and their role in public discourse, it is even more offensive and sad to see the level of bigotry that pops up here on the AI boards every time there's a story involving a black person, a poor country, Obama, gays, or women.
And it's the same list of posters that pops up every single time. Everyone knows who they are....
Figure out a way to deal with this, AI. Otherwise your site runs the risk of getting hijacked -- and ultimately, destroyed -- by a bunch of cultural and political zealots.
I'm glad I am not the only one that noticed the fringe KKK comments. Thankfully, Apple as a culture doesn't agree with their politics and viewpoint and its unlikely to change in the near future. I'm not for Jackson, but I am sure Tim has it under control, its not like people here know exactly what they are talking about, they just like to think they do.
Okay this is going to come off bad, but I been involve in these attempts to diversify the geek community for over 20 yrs and nothing has changed. Why?
If minority in this country want more opportunities in the Geek industries other than low paying supporting roles they some how have to figure out how to change their genetic make up to be come more geek like. Yes better education will help, but unless someone have the desire and abilities to be a techno geek there is no amount of pushing and prodding and more education will do to convert minorities or non-geek type into a geek. These groups of individual do not go into engineering and such since they have no interest in it. It like making someone who can not heat the beat in a song into a musician (yeah we all seen Rebecca Black and auto-tune and she was called out as a fake) it will not happen, as it someone who can does not like engineering can not be made into an engineer.
What? This is about as far from Ayn Rand as one can get.
Those two are pretty objectivist when it comes to their own personal lives. Not paying taxes, etc.