The article and comments pretty much show that Apple fans are a pretty insecure lot. I thought Apple fans didn't obsess over Android until I saw this.
Guys, there are no extremes. Apple has borrowed Android's best ideas. Android has borrowed Apple's. That's the way of the world. Apple has an advantage with Touch ID because of the full control over all the hardware and software, which is a big plus (and also a minus from a 3rd party development standpoint). So yes, they have an advantage in this particular area. But what they do NOT have is sufficient marketshare to make everyone in the world take Apple Pay exclusively. By forgoing any kind of cooperation or standard, it means that retailers, banks, etc. will have to adopt multiple standards. It's not realistic that every phone owner in the world is going to switch to Apple. It's also not realistic to see Apple pushing for Apple Pay as a cross-platform standard, so we'll end up with at least 2 systems being mainstreamed.
I still laugh at how easy FaceTime is and I don't see anyone able to compete with Apple on that front...
From a work site in a remote town way back in 2010, I was FaceTime calling my family who were at home. I could FaceTime the any of the iPads, iPods, MacBook pro or iMacs at home. It is typical ? tough to follow innovation, and obviously adenoid can't catch or even keep up.
<div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/183816/googles-nexus-6-abandoned-fingerprint-sensor-after-failed-attempt-to-catch-up-with-apples-touch-id#post_2649997" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false">Quote:<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>rezwits</strong> <a href="/t/183816/googles-nexus-6-abandoned-fingerprint-sensor-after-failed-attempt-to-catch-up-with-apples-touch-id#post_2649997"><img alt="View Post" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /><br />I still laugh at how easy FaceTime is and I don't see anyone able to compete with Apple on that front...</div></div><p><br /><span style="line-height:22.399999618530273px">From a work site in a remote town way back in 2010, </span>I was FaceTime calling my family who were at home. I could FaceTime the any of the iPads, iPods, MacBook pro or iMacs at home. It is typical ? tough to follow innovation, and obviously adenoid can't catch or even keep up. </p>
Video calling over WiFi isn't what I would call innovation.
This article is making a lot of assumptions on one small commit and has a lot of facts wrong...and references an article that also has a bad comparison for mobile GPU comparisons.
For instance, the author talks up Apples success with 64-bit by saying Android is still struggling to deliver the first 64-bit chip, then goes to mention the K1 from Nvidia having "disappointing" performance and mentions it in the Nvidia shield. Thing is, the K1 in the Shield, is ARMv7, so this isn't even relevant. The Nexus 9 has the K1 chip that is ARMv8 is what should be compared to. The reason it wasn't, is because the K1 in the Nexus 9 has performance beyond that in the Apple A series chip, not just overall having 4 CPUs, but even in single threaded tests it outperforms the A8.
Then there is the reference to an article stating that the iPhone 6/6+ have better performance than the Nexus 6 and similar Android phones. Funny thing is the charts actually show that the Qualcomm chip performs as well as Apple's latest, so I would not call the upcoming 810 chip to compete against the A8 as that chip is already shipping and has been before the A8.
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It's a funny world where a manufacturer will rubbish a competitors product while secretly rushing to copy it.
Indeed, the saddest part of the image shown isn't even the crappy finger print reader that is both trickier than entering a passcode and designed in such a way that it needs two hands to operate. Rather it's the subtle copying of the icon and position of the fast-access to the camera feature. What a perfect summary: A familiarly placed icon, taking the user to a familiar looking camera app, with even a familiar looking camera button.
There are simply so many ways to do this, that it boggles my mind why they'd be so thoughtless to not even try a unique, or possibly better implementation. It shows that they're not willing to put in even a minuscule amount of thought into their flagship product.
That camera icon started on the Galaxy S4, 6 months before Apple released iOS7 with it. Stock Android had the quick slide to the camera from the lock screen with the release of Android 4.2 in November 2012.
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Check...and...mate. I wonder if Android will solve this in 5 years.
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But but Android phones have octa-core chip, lol...I can see how Fandroids miss this feature so much. It's been 2 years and Android have not caught up yet on finger print scanner and 64- b Chips.
I expect Sog35 to make bold comment in the morning on this subject.
I don't even remember when was the last time I use 4-digital code to unlock my phone. The dam TouchID works ridiculously well every day every time. To Fandroids, I'll check back with you on this in 2 years.
2 years? Apple has had TouchID for little over 1 year. I'd say we have another 3-4 until you can really justify this point as there are many cases of things Android or Android manufacturers (or both) implemented long before Apple examples being NFC and NFC payments.
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As I always say, google SUCKS A$$ doing anything except stealing people's online activities and selling Ads ....
Yup! google team of dumb morons are finally learning that copying software is a lot easier than hardware ... and now they are stuck to keep up!
Wow, this is just a ridiculous statement as Google was just rated the #1 place to work and its where all the best of the best want to go. And what is the rant about copy hardware? Google doesn't touch the hardware and haven't ever. What's your point?
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Originally Posted by Jared Porter
Apple's going to roll ahead into the future of secure payments both online and offline with its fingerprint ID and secure enclave enabled by its mastery of 64-bit processing power. In the fall of next year when retailers will practically be forced to install NFC POS readers, IF Apple can show there have been NO HACKS of ApplePay, after billions of transactions, Samsung/Android will be scrambling if not lost.
If a merchant supports Apple Pay, it works with any other NFC payment system, so SoftPay and Google Wallet would work as well. It would be a win for everyone. Difference being that Android, you can choose what system you want to use (well, except Apple Pay) where on iOS, you are limited to Apple Pay, but that could change next year when they open NFC like they did with TouchID.
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I still laugh at how easy FaceTime is and I don't see anyone able to compete with Apple on that front...
Clearly you've never used Google Hangouts...or Skype, which offer more...more platforms/devices...more people in the video sessions...etc...
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I haven't used TouchID myself but it does appear to work well and quickly and I see why it is well liked. That feature alone though isn't enough to say that iPhone/iOS is the best and Android/Android Manufacturer suck because they don't have it.
Mac laptops have had for 10 years the magsafe connector, and although sweet, alone isn't enough to convert buyers.
Apple also controlling both the OS and phone, will purposefully limit you to convince you to upgrade. Example being there latest features in iOS8, VoLTE and WiFi calling. The iPhones back to the 5 all have the hardware for VoLTE, but only the latest gen got it. Not shocking, but okay. Wifi Calling, the 5S got it as did the 5C...but not the 5, even though its the same hardware as the 5C...and the 5 had Wifi calling in the Beta release. Clearly they removed it for marketing reasons. Apple--.
There are many nice features to iOS, but there plenty of limitations as well and the same goes for Android. Each have their specialties and depending on your needs/desires/wealth depends on which is most suitable for you.
Myself I have currently an iPhone 5 on Verizon. It works, but I find many issues where it could use improvement in iOS to match what Android has had for years.
Questions is, with all the carriers moving away from contracts, and people seeing the true price of phones they are buying, are people going to keep buying $650+ phones every 2 years? Some will, yes, but there are going to be plenty who will say that they don't need that and make certain compromises to get a $300-$400 device instead. The midrange market will grow huge in the upcoming 2 years, and I don't see Apple being able to compete there.
That first phone never existed. Say what you may about Google, but they were smart enough to see that Apple was on to something, and changed their plan accordingly. The ones that reacted late are dead, or dying.
More accurately that first phone was never available for sale. It did exist tho even if its only purpose was as a demo platform for the first public reveal of Android in November of 2007
More accurately that first phone was never available for sale. It did exist tho even if its only purpose was as a demo platform for the first public reveal of Android in November of 2007
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None of which were ever intended for release...
The article and comments pretty much show that Apple fans are a pretty insecure lot. I thought Apple fans didn't obsess over Android until I saw this.
Guys, there are no extremes. Apple has borrowed Android's best ideas. Android has borrowed Apple's. That's the way of the world. Apple has an advantage with Touch ID because of the full control over all the hardware and software, which is a big plus (and also a minus from a 3rd party development standpoint). So yes, they have an advantage in this particular area. But what they do NOT have is sufficient marketshare to make everyone in the world take Apple Pay exclusively. By forgoing any kind of cooperation or standard, it means that retailers, banks, etc. will have to adopt multiple standards. It's not realistic that every phone owner in the world is going to switch to Apple. It's also not realistic to see Apple pushing for Apple Pay as a cross-platform standard, so we'll end up with at least 2 systems being mainstreamed.
The corporate software I use allows the use of Touch ID on my iPhone, it doesn't for the Galaxy S5 they have to use a pattern or passcode.
Result = whine, whine, whine.
And you know this how? And how do you know that Google ever intended to release that phone?
As stated before, by its creator’s own admission.
Its still interesting how they don't have it, But but Skype.
How they don't have what? FaceTime or an equivalent?
Oh yeah
Not red, red, whine?
Fair enough.
I was thinking of the iPad.
Hard, or soft cheese?
I still laugh at how easy FaceTime is and I don't see anyone able to compete with Apple on that front...
From a work site in a remote town way back in 2010, I was FaceTime calling my family who were at home. I could FaceTime the any of the iPads, iPods, MacBook pro or iMacs at home. It is typical ? tough to follow innovation, and obviously adenoid can't catch or even keep up.
Lol! Humble pie.
Video calling over WiFi isn't what I would call innovation.
What would you consider innovation, then?
I know what i would call bull shit...
This article is making a lot of assumptions on one small commit and has a lot of facts wrong...and references an article that also has a bad comparison for mobile GPU comparisons.
For instance, the author talks up Apples success with 64-bit by saying Android is still struggling to deliver the first 64-bit chip, then goes to mention the K1 from Nvidia having "disappointing" performance and mentions it in the Nvidia shield. Thing is, the K1 in the Shield, is ARMv7, so this isn't even relevant. The Nexus 9 has the K1 chip that is ARMv8 is what should be compared to. The reason it wasn't, is because the K1 in the Nexus 9 has performance beyond that in the Apple A series chip, not just overall having 4 CPUs, but even in single threaded tests it outperforms the A8.
Then there is the reference to an article stating that the iPhone 6/6+ have better performance than the Nexus 6 and similar Android phones. Funny thing is the charts actually show that the Qualcomm chip performs as well as Apple's latest, so I would not call the upcoming 810 chip to compete against the A8 as that chip is already shipping and has been before the A8.
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It's a funny world where a manufacturer will rubbish a competitors product while secretly rushing to copy it.
Indeed, the saddest part of the image shown isn't even the crappy finger print reader that is both trickier than entering a passcode and designed in such a way that it needs two hands to operate. Rather it's the subtle copying of the icon and position of the fast-access to the camera feature. What a perfect summary: A familiarly placed icon, taking the user to a familiar looking camera app, with even a familiar looking camera button.
There are simply so many ways to do this, that it boggles my mind why they'd be so thoughtless to not even try a unique, or possibly better implementation. It shows that they're not willing to put in even a minuscule amount of thought into their flagship product.
That camera icon started on the Galaxy S4, 6 months before Apple released iOS7 with it. Stock Android had the quick slide to the camera from the lock screen with the release of Android 4.2 in November 2012.
Check...and...mate. I wonder if Android will solve this in 5 years.
But but Android phones have octa-core chip, lol...I can see how Fandroids miss this feature so much. It's been 2 years and Android have not caught up yet on finger print scanner and 64- b Chips.
I expect Sog35 to make bold comment in the morning on this subject.
I don't even remember when was the last time I use 4-digital code to unlock my phone. The dam TouchID works ridiculously well every day every time. To Fandroids, I'll check back with you on this in 2 years.
2 years? Apple has had TouchID for little over 1 year. I'd say we have another 3-4 until you can really justify this point as there are many cases of things Android or Android manufacturers (or both) implemented long before Apple examples being NFC and NFC payments.
As I always say, google SUCKS A$$ doing anything except stealing people's online activities and selling Ads ....
Yup! google team of dumb morons are finally learning that copying software is a lot easier than hardware ... and now they are stuck to keep up!
Wow, this is just a ridiculous statement as Google was just rated the #1 place to work and its where all the best of the best want to go. And what is the rant about copy hardware? Google doesn't touch the hardware and haven't ever. What's your point?
Apple's going to roll ahead into the future of secure payments both online and offline with its fingerprint ID and secure enclave enabled by its mastery of 64-bit processing power. In the fall of next year when retailers will practically be forced to install NFC POS readers, IF Apple can show there have been NO HACKS of ApplePay, after billions of transactions, Samsung/Android will be scrambling if not lost.
If a merchant supports Apple Pay, it works with any other NFC payment system, so SoftPay and Google Wallet would work as well. It would be a win for everyone. Difference being that Android, you can choose what system you want to use (well, except Apple Pay) where on iOS, you are limited to Apple Pay, but that could change next year when they open NFC like they did with TouchID.
I still laugh at how easy FaceTime is and I don't see anyone able to compete with Apple on that front...
Clearly you've never used Google Hangouts...or Skype, which offer more...more platforms/devices...more people in the video sessions...etc...
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I haven't used TouchID myself but it does appear to work well and quickly and I see why it is well liked. That feature alone though isn't enough to say that iPhone/iOS is the best and Android/Android Manufacturer suck because they don't have it.
Mac laptops have had for 10 years the magsafe connector, and although sweet, alone isn't enough to convert buyers.
Apple also controlling both the OS and phone, will purposefully limit you to convince you to upgrade. Example being there latest features in iOS8, VoLTE and WiFi calling. The iPhones back to the 5 all have the hardware for VoLTE, but only the latest gen got it. Not shocking, but okay. Wifi Calling, the 5S got it as did the 5C...but not the 5, even though its the same hardware as the 5C...and the 5 had Wifi calling in the Beta release. Clearly they removed it for marketing reasons. Apple--.
There are many nice features to iOS, but there plenty of limitations as well and the same goes for Android. Each have their specialties and depending on your needs/desires/wealth depends on which is most suitable for you.
Myself I have currently an iPhone 5 on Verizon. It works, but I find many issues where it could use improvement in iOS to match what Android has had for years.
Questions is, with all the carriers moving away from contracts, and people seeing the true price of phones they are buying, are people going to keep buying $650+ phones every 2 years? Some will, yes, but there are going to be plenty who will say that they don't need that and make certain compromises to get a $300-$400 device instead. The midrange market will grow huge in the upcoming 2 years, and I don't see Apple being able to compete there.
Conference FaceTime will come.
And be available to only the latest iPhone/iPad devices...
Particularly with H.265 doing amazing things with the bitrate.
Ask your handlers for the updated talking points sheet, please. It’s not 2010 anymore.
Why do you have to wait for H.265? Hangouts works right now with 10 people, on iOS or Android, Windows, Mac or Linux.
they also stole from Java.
Thanks, and welcome back.