Quick simple answer. German high command incompetence and the Russian's.
You know, when North Korea wipes out the United States with one indecipherable blow (I'm using North Korean propaganda terminology here) you're going to miss them and their barns terribly.
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This barn has been very unsympathetically restored within the last 10 years.
Why save this characterless barn yet allow Jobs to destroy the much more architecturally interesting Spanish Colonial revival Jackling House on his property a few years ago ?
Americans sanctify the pointless and destroy the magnificent. The old Penn Station was destroyed, as would Grand Central have been had it not been for Jackie Kennedy at al.
Because his Jackling house don't really have any historical value to the area, where there are still dozens of homes with the same style architecture. Where as this barn, though it may be of no architectual interest, has historical value, as it's one of the first original structure to be built in what's now Silicon Valley. And may be one of the few such structure still standing.
To put things into perspective, the childhood home of Steve Jobs and the attached garage where Jobs and Woz built the first Apple computer, is designated a historical landmark. And that building is neither old or architectually interesting. (The home and garage of HP founders is also a historical landmark.)
That's even more amazing to me, that living things could last hundreds of years. Wish we could learn that trick from them.
No you don't. We're over-populated enough (even though U.S. birthrates have now dropped below the replacement rate). The last thing our modern economies need is more non-working people who also have extreme health care needs. And it doesn't matter whether they're non-working by choice, because of health, because there aren't enough jobs to support them or because of agism. If they're not working, most are going to have to be supported at least in part by working taxpayers and we already need seven working people for each retired person.
If we need anything, it's more younger people, but only if they can find work that pays well.
As for the Europeans complaining that we in the U.S. don't know what old is, the fact remains that for a country that's less than 240 years old, 100 years is old for a building in the U.S. since almost all buildings built before 1880 were made of wood and most eventually burned or were otherwise destroyed.
Having said that, I will say that Europeans have a much better sense of history and preservation than we do here, although we are getting a little bit better at it. While we did famously lose Penn Station in NYC so that the astonishingly ugly Madison Square Garden could be built in the 1970s, no one would ever even think of touching Grand Central Terminal anymore. And Penn is eventually going to move, at least in part, into the beautiful post office building across the street.
100 years? Ha ha ha ha ha.
But whole USA is just slightly older so I understand Americans look after what ever they find which is older then grandpa´.
USA, the history-less country. LOL
You are being very rude.
The Americans have had a long and cherished history.
It's just that the current lot killed them all before they got a chance to tell them about it.
Ba Dum Tiss.
But anyway, enough of this teasing. A bit of cultural understanding is in order.
Of course that Barn is culturally historic. Maybe even more than we know.
If Barns could talk . . .
What founding fathers of American independence might have helped pour the concrete slab base, their bare footprints leading the way to freedom, forever set as monument.
Or what future president sat outside and played banjo in the cooling shade of this great old father of outbuildings.
If I was to paraphrase Apple [], for I believe he speaks for all Americans.
When Europe collapses under the weight of all its history and cross immigration.
I wonder how the discussion went in the meeting where this barn was deigned worth preserving?
My guess is that it was fairly simple. Apple was requesting planning approval for a very large and important project, and wanted to project its best image to the local review board. Actions such as this are very helpful in getting those people on your side. Dismantling and rebuilding the barn will cost a bit but that's noise in comparison to the cost of the whole project.
Some years ago my European colleagues were complaining that Americans didn't preserve any of their cities, nothing seemed more than 70 years old. I guess it didn't occur to him that had his Spanish ancestors gone and "discovered" the continent sooner, we might have older cities today. In any event, it's hilarious now to see Europeans ridiculing Americans for trying to preserve some of the past. Ah well, it's all fun & games 'till someone puts an eye out.
In California we have a sad "history" of plowing under what came before to make way for strip malls and housing developments. While I take the original European comments as gentle ribbing, I would point out that our efforts, however modest, at preserving what still exists of early California settlement, can be admired as well as ridiculed.
This is interesting to learn since Apple tends to focus on the future. They have no corporate museum because they don't dwell on past achievements. I wonder how the discussion went in the meeting where this barn was deigned worth preserving?
I don't think they're preserving it for history's sake. It looks like the barn fits what Apple intends to landscape its Campus into (Calif around the 60s?) with fruit orchards and trees, so the barn should fit right in. A brilliant stroke if you ask me. Apple design has always been very context aware. (Grand central Apple Store et cetera)
This is California we are talking about. There is another reason 100 year old buildings seem old to us here when there are buildings in other parts of the U.S that are much older. We have earthquakes every so often that damage older buildings. I've been here since 1966 and have lived through a number of major earthquakes that have flattened reinforced structures let alone those built before modern earthquake building codes.
I have to say, this was one of the more entertaining threads I have read. After reading the two European comments at the beginning, I was sure it would flame out of control. But instead you guys came in with some very clever retorts.
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Nice of them but from an European viewpoint 100 years is not long time ago ;-)
While I agree europe has a few 500-600 year old barns, 100 years is quite old for a wooden barn.
Quick simple answer. German high command incompetence and the Russian's.
You know, when North Korea wipes out the United States with one indecipherable blow (I'm using North Korean propaganda terminology here) you're going to miss them and their barns terribly.
100 years? Ha ha ha ha ha.
But whole USA is just slightly older so I understand Americans look after what ever they find which is older then grandpa´.
USA, the history-less country. LOL
This barn has been very unsympathetically restored within the last 10 years.
Why save this characterless barn yet allow Jobs to destroy the much more architecturally interesting Spanish Colonial revival Jackling House on his property a few years ago ?
Americans sanctify the pointless and destroy the magnificent. The old Penn Station was destroyed, as would Grand Central have been had it not been for Jackie Kennedy at al.
Because his Jackling house don't really have any historical value to the area, where there are still dozens of homes with the same style architecture. Where as this barn, though it may be of no architectual interest, has historical value, as it's one of the first original structure to be built in what's now Silicon Valley. And may be one of the few such structure still standing.
To put things into perspective, the childhood home of Steve Jobs and the attached garage where Jobs and Woz built the first Apple computer, is designated a historical landmark. And that building is neither old or architectually interesting. (The home and garage of HP founders is also a historical landmark.)
Nice of them but from an European viewpoint 100 years is not long time ago ;-)
I used to think 100 years was a long time but then on my wedding night stayed in a hotel that dates from the 1300's in England.
http://www.roseandcrowncolchester.co.uk/
100 years? Ha ha ha ha ha.
But whole USA is just slightly older so I understand Americans look after what ever they find which is older then grandpa´.
USA, the history-less country. LOL
Remember, no one commenting on this board is older than that barn....the barn wins.
That's even more amazing to me, that living things could last hundreds of years. Wish we could learn that trick from them.
No you don't. We're over-populated enough (even though U.S. birthrates have now dropped below the replacement rate). The last thing our modern economies need is more non-working people who also have extreme health care needs. And it doesn't matter whether they're non-working by choice, because of health, because there aren't enough jobs to support them or because of agism. If they're not working, most are going to have to be supported at least in part by working taxpayers and we already need seven working people for each retired person.
If we need anything, it's more younger people, but only if they can find work that pays well.
As for the Europeans complaining that we in the U.S. don't know what old is, the fact remains that for a country that's less than 240 years old, 100 years is old for a building in the U.S. since almost all buildings built before 1880 were made of wood and most eventually burned or were otherwise destroyed.
Having said that, I will say that Europeans have a much better sense of history and preservation than we do here, although we are getting a little bit better at it. While we did famously lose Penn Station in NYC so that the astonishingly ugly Madison Square Garden could be built in the 1970s, no one would ever even think of touching Grand Central Terminal anymore. And Penn is eventually going to move, at least in part, into the beautiful post office building across the street.
You are being very rude.
The Americans have had a long and cherished history.
It's just that the current lot killed them all before they got a chance to tell them about it.
Ba Dum Tiss.
But anyway, enough of this teasing. A bit of cultural understanding is in order.
Of course that Barn is culturally historic. Maybe even more than we know.
If Barns could talk . . .
What founding fathers of American independence might have helped pour the concrete slab base, their bare footprints leading the way to freedom, forever set as monument.
Or what future president sat outside and played banjo in the cooling shade of this great old father of outbuildings.
If I was to paraphrase Apple [], for I believe he speaks for all Americans.
When Europe collapses under the weight of all its history and cross immigration.
This barn will be wearing shades.
OMG NO!
It's hilarious to see Americans get misty eyed at these 'historical monuments'.
To most of Europe that picture just looks like a relatively new shed.
It's clear that it has been well maintained.
I wonder how the discussion went in the meeting where this barn was deigned worth preserving?
My guess is that it was fairly simple. Apple was requesting planning approval for a very large and important project, and wanted to project its best image to the local review board. Actions such as this are very helpful in getting those people on your side. Dismantling and rebuilding the barn will cost a bit but that's noise in comparison to the cost of the whole project.
Some years ago my European colleagues were complaining that Americans didn't preserve any of their cities, nothing seemed more than 70 years old. I guess it didn't occur to him that had his Spanish ancestors gone and "discovered" the continent sooner, we might have older cities today. In any event, it's hilarious now to see Europeans ridiculing Americans for trying to preserve some of the past. Ah well, it's all fun & games 'till someone puts an eye out.
This is interesting to learn since Apple tends to focus on the future. They have no corporate museum because they don't dwell on past achievements. I wonder how the discussion went in the meeting where this barn was deigned worth preserving?
I don't think they're preserving it for history's sake. It looks like the barn fits what Apple intends to landscape its Campus into (Calif around the 60s?) with fruit orchards and trees, so the barn should fit right in. A brilliant stroke if you ask me. Apple design has always been very context aware. (Grand central Apple Store et cetera)
I have to say, this was one of the more entertaining threads I have read. After reading the two European comments at the beginning, I was sure it would flame out of control. But instead you guys came in with some very clever retorts.