Anonymous source says desktop G5 is dead
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Someone with the handle of "Wohlf" claims that Moto killed development of the G5 for Macs last summer. He doesn't cite any sources, but the info is distressing nevertheless. Also, there is a quote from someone in this thread that "in 1998 Galvin swore to kill the Mac" in retaliation for Steve Jobs killing the clones. I've suspected this for years, that Motorola was purposely stalling desktop PPC development in an effort to exact revenge on Apple for killing the clones. But one would think that after all the time that has passed, Moto execs have come to terms with the clone debacle and decided that they like Apple's business. All speculation, of course, for all I know Motorola has no intention of ever making a PPC for Apple that is competitive with x86 offerings.
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Someone with the handle of "Wohlf" claims that Moto killed development of the G5 for Macs last summer. He doesn't cite any sources, but the info is distressing nevertheless. Also, there is a quote from someone in this thread that "in 1998 Galvin swore to kill the Mac" in retaliation for Steve Jobs killing the clones. I've suspected this for years, that Motorola was purposely stalling desktop PPC development in an effort to exact revenge on Apple for killing the clones. But one would think that after all the time that has passed, Moto execs have come to terms with the clone debacle and decided that they like Apple's business. All speculation, of course, for all I know Motorola has no intention of ever making a PPC for Apple that is competitive with x86 offerings.
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Besides, a $500 million write off is nothing for a company like Motorola. Considering the breadth of markets that they are involved in, I doubt the demise of cloning was anything other than a bullet point in a board meeting five years ago. In fact, the termination of MacOS cloning did not even rate a single mention in Motorola's 1997 <a href="http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/www.edgar-online.com/homepage;cat=business;cat=finance;cat=homepage;cat =research;ord=9930" target="_blank">10-K annual report</a>.
I really do not think that a company that did $30 billion in sales during 1997 is so concerned about the loss of a few hundred million that they would resort to petty revenge, especially considering the revenue that the revival of Apple has generated over the past five years.
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The main point, however, is that the G5 project has been terminated by Motorola. Did anyone read the link?
If Moto killed the G5, then what's Apple going to do? I think they are doomed without a G5, soon. Otherwise Apple is going to be at 1/4 of Intel clockspeed, then 1/8, 1/16, eventually nobody will buy Mac hardware and Apple will go belly up.
Also, Moki has heard nothing about G5 development from any of his sources. If the G5 is under development, isn't it odd that a major developer hasn't even heard about it?
<strong>Well maybe so.
The main point, however, is that the G5 project has been terminated by Motorola. Did anyone read the link?
If Moto killed the G5, then what's Apple going to do? I think they are doomed without a G5, soon. Otherwise Apple is going to be at 1/4 of Intel clockspeed, then 1/8, 1/16, eventually nobody will buy Mac hardware and Apple will go belly up.
Also, Moki has heard nothing about G5 development from any of his sources. If the G5 is under development, isn't it odd that a major developer hasn't even heard about it?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Umm, do you believe everything you read on internet message boards? All the posts I read of yours seem to assume that whatever was written was true. Weren't you recently very adamant that the G5 would be out soon? Please, is there a G5, or isn't there? And, no offense to Moki, but I really wouldn't say that Ambrosia constitutes a "major" developer.
<strong>Also, there is a quote from someone in this thread that "in 1998 Galvin swore to kill the Mac" in retaliation for Steve Jobs killing the clones. I've suspected this for years, that Motorola was purposely stalling desktop PPC development in an effort to exact revenge on Apple for killing the clones.
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Pretty unlikely. After all, Motorola is a business, and as such, their primary concern is more likely to be making money rather than sacrificing profits just in order to exact some sort of personal revenge for long-bygone deeds.
Bye,
RazzFazz
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Pretty unlikely. After all, Motorola is a business, and as such, their primary concern is more likely to be making money rather than sacrificing profits just in order to exact some sort of personal revenge for long-bygone deeds.
Bye,
RazzFazz</strong><hr></blockquote>
You'd hope.
Anyway, perhaps Moto did stop G5 devolpment... by handing it over to Apple.
<strong>Also, there is a quote from someone in this thread that "in 1998 Galvin swore to kill the Mac" in retaliation for Steve Jobs killing the clones. I've suspected this for years, that Motorola was purposely stalling desktop PPC development in an effort to exact revenge on Apple for killing the clones.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That's stupid. How would Motorola benefit from deliberately designing slow chips? The slower the PowerMacs are, the fewer people buy them, and the less money goes back to Motorola. It makes no sense. Motorola is a business; a few executives may have been pissed over the clone license debacle, but that doesn't mean they deliberately engaged in behavior that would hurt themselves financially, not to mention damage their reputation.
<strong>How come you people keep falling for Dawg's BS. He constantly posts things like this to get people in an uproar. He points to some foolish he said/she said thing and you all fall for it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's a concern that many have had for the past couple of years. Besides, this is a rumor site... and this is a rumor.
But no, I do not think that the G5 has been killed. And if it has, then rest assured that Apple has already begun plans for the transition to either IBMs PowerPC architecture or AMDs 64 bit chips.
Another point to make, IBM is still doing well, and they also make Power PC's.
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And, no offense to Moki, but I really wouldn't say that Ambrosia constitutes a "major" developer.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe not major in terms of number of employees, but they produce some pretty noteworthy software.
No, they aren't on the order of Adobe, but I wouldn't discount their significance.
Besides, you can bet that he has more good information than most people who post to these boards.
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His comments are only distressing if you're not shrewd enough to discern them for what they really are: bait.
This time you bought it. The steaming BS I mean. Remember? How does it feel? This guy comes from nowhere, has no proof. I know what you are going to say and there are many more plausible reasons for the G5 not coming to market yet. This is a crock ( probably spread by a troll ) and given Motorola's current state not a very likely developement. Yup, hook, line, and sinker! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
edit: When the fvck did we start sensoring F-U-C-K ??? Fvcken ash-wholes...
[ 02-01-2002: Message edited by: Matsu ]</p>
In answer to some knee-jerk criticism leveled at me:
No, I don't "believe every post I read". If you read my posts here, you will find that in some cases I am one of the lone voices of dissent, while the rest of you collectively fall for someone's BS (ahem, Dorsal?).
I don't even believe that G5 development for Macs has been killed, but this seemed like an interesting topic and I wanted to hear other AI member's opinions on it. This guy who said G5 development is dead, he could be full of BS, but the problem is that we also have people like Moki and others saying that they've heard neither hide nor hair of the G5. Since some AI members like to keep up on current rumors, I wanted to hear their viewpoints on the rumor that the G5 is "dead". Is that such a bad thing, to desire another person's perspective on something? (BTW, I notice that often, when I ask for other AI member's viewpoints on something, I get flamed. What's up with that? Doesn't anyone around here like to think for themselves?)
Finally, I think it is very likely that Moto execs dragged their feet on desktop PPC development to spite Apple. Some of you seem to think this would constitute purposely designing bad chips or something, but apparently you have no idea of how a large corporation is run. The executives who make the decisions, who are in charge, they don't do ANYTHING besides shuffle money around and bark orders at subordinate employees. If they wanted to stall desktop PPC development, then all they do is allocate less money to the PPC design team, and the result is that Apple gets slower CPUs. I don't have any information on moto's funding for their desktop PPC development, but it would be interesting to have a look at the funding over the past decade to see if there were any dramatic changes around the time that Apple killed the clones.
Finally, I'm sick of some the BS from some people around here. It's as if you have nothing constructive to say at all, the only reason you post is to sling sh!t around. Like I said at the beginning of this thread, you don't like it, then don't read it. If you want to criticize it, then do so, but please debate the idea.
Actually, if I understand what you're saying correctly, this might be a good thing. It seems that one of Moto's strengths lies in designing CPUs, for all the sh!t we like to fling in Moto's direction, the G4 is a truly amazing chip, and Altivec is the best SIMD unit (in terms of usability and ease of developing for it) according to many developers. Moto's achilles heel seems to be fabbing their chips; they can dream up awesome designs but when it comes time to do the mundane stuff, like making the damn things, Moto falls flat on their face.
But what if Moto decided to focus on CPU design, and contracted out the production of all their CPUs to another company like AMD or IBM? Hmmmmmm.... Could such a setup work on the scale that Moto would need? I know this works for other companies (I forget which ones), but they are producing CPUs on a much smaller scale than the PPC chip.
They show a G5 as well as a G6. I think the G5 is still a project in development. Either that or Motorola has no strategy as far as the PPC is concerned. Come on, seperate fact from fiction.
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