Don't you know there's an official biography out there written by Walter Isaacson that Jobs, himself, endorsed?
Here's the truth, which aligns with Sculley and Wozniak's recollection of what happened. Jobs went to Apple's board and tried to have Sculley removed from his position. The board eventually sided with Sculley (due to how Jobs handled the Macintosh project, which was a commercial failure) and stripped Jobs from his position. He was relegated to basically being the 'face' of Apple and had no actual role. After a while, he got fed up and quit.
I have dozens of employees who left with Steve after the board voted no confidence and stripped him of his position. Steve Wozniak is a coward and a chickenshit who gets $120k/year for life doing nothing for Apple.
I'm sorry, but how does this clash with what Wozniak, Sculley and Isaacson (in the official biography of Steve Jobs) said? Jobs tried to get Sculley fired, the board supported Sculley (which made sense given how Jobs handled the Macintosh and how it ended up as a commercial failure) and stripped Jobs of his position. He still worked at Apple, but had no real role there and became the 'face' of Apple. He eventually got fed up and quit.
The guy who invented the freaking personal computer itself is far from a "moron."
What have you accomplished to compare to that?
You can be skilled and still be a moron (Hitler was a total asshole but still historically significant!). Most specialists are morons. He seems like one of those people who had a high degree of specialisation but was absolutely clueless about the rest of reality.
What comes out of his mouth nowadays is the sort of tripe I would expect from a dimwitted Fandroid. He should stick to his 1's and 0's and give public speaking a miss IMO.
Wozniak has been a pile of randomly firing neurons for the last 30+ years. He's a court jester whose ancient accomplishments somehow keep him relevant. I don't understand it.
The Reality Distortion Field generator is going into mass production it seems. John Sculley in his "Odyssey ... " (Fontana PB, 1989) writes -
Prologue, p. 9 - " ... on 11 April 1985, the board of directors had endorsed my decision to remove Steve Jobs from his base of power in the company."
P. 330, re Apple board meeting, 10 April 1985 - " ... I (Sculley) told our directors they had a choice: 'I'm asking Steve to step down ... ".
P.355, " ... I (Sculley) called together the executive staff. They weren't open to giving Steve a major role in the company."
P.355, "On 31 May I (Sculley) signed the paperwork removing him (Jobs) as executive vice president."
Clear enough?
This seems to comport well with what Woz said. It seems to reflect Steve being demoted, having nothing to do and possibly leaving of his own accord. It also does nothing to change the fact of his post-Apple successes (I count NeXT a success as its acquisition by Apple set the stage for really great things) and return of himself and Apple to greatness.
Doesn't change that Scully steered Apple toward a ditch, and several replacements were unable to change that trajectory. But Steve did.
Like any great two act play, or resurrection story, there has to be a great fall and death in order for the rebirth and triumph to really shine.
You can be skilled and still be a moron (Hitler was a total asshole but still historically significant!). Most specialists are morons. He seems like one of those people who had a high degree of specialisation but was absolutely clueless about the rest of reality.
What comes out of his mouth nowadays is the sort of tripe I would expect from a dimwitted Fandroid. He should stick to his 1's and 0's and give public speaking a miss IMO.
Einstein, Newton, and Tesla also had lousy social skills. I suppose you'd call them "morons" too? Dude probably has an IQ greater than this whole board combined, not that that feels like it's saying much, reading posts like this.
TBH, I don't see that, either. Woz seems pretty easy-going from what I've seen. Definitely seems more like a kind of guy you'd want to have a beer with than Jobs was.
Oh wait. He said something nice about Android at some point. Well, then. KILL THE INFIDEL :rolleyes:
Invoking Godwin's Law and everything. Sheesh. :no:
I have dozens of employees who left with Steve after the board voted no confidence and stripped him of his position. Steve Wozniak is a coward and a chickenshit who gets $120k/year for life doing nothing for Apple.
I have dozens of employees who left with Steve after the board voted no confidence and stripped him of his position. Steve Wozniak is a coward and a chickenshit who gets $120k/year for life doing nothing for Apple.
Given his lists of accomplishments, I'm amazed that you could make such statements regarding Woz. Aside from SJ, Woz may have done more than anybody else to ensure Apple's survival.
The guy who invented the freaking personal computer itself is far from a "moron."
What have you accomplished to compare to that?
If i was Steve Jobs business partner i would it accomplish more than that loser..even a monkey could create a computer if he has great teacher, and i'm pretty sure the first real modern computers were Macintosh I and II (the original iMac and Mac Pro)
Though some details vary, the overall account is that while he wasn't outright fired from Apple completely, there was constructive dismissal going on, with stripping of powers.
I think Jobs saying he was fired was his shorthand for the situation, and is true enough to the spirit of what happened, even if not technically, legally accurate.
As for embarrassment over the Macintosh being the reason, well that's a bit speculative. I certainly doubt it was the whole reason, but a certain amount of powerlessness and corporate humbling would certainly have been in play, so maybe it's not so far from the truth.
As far as I remeber, even the official biography tells the same story: Jobs was never fired, he left because he was relieved of most of his resposabilities.
BTW I still think this, together with Pixar and Next was absolutely crucial for him to become a good CEO. If they had let him continue at Apple as he wanted, Apple would have ceased to exist in the 80ies.
If i was Steve Jobs business partner i would it accomplish more than that loser..even a monkey could create a computer if he has great teacher, and i'm pretty sure the first real modern computers were Macintosh I and II (the original iMac and Mac Pro)
If you had been Steve Jobs business partner you'd be sobbing in a corner. Jobs became a marketing genius and he had a feeling for 'taste' but without Woz' engineering genius he could have ended up selling refrigerators.
As far as I remeber, even the official biography tells the same story: Jobs was never fired, he left because he was relieved of most of his resposabilities.
BTW I still think this, together with Pixar and Next was absolutely crucial for him to become a good CEO. If they had let him continue at Apple as he wanted, Apple would have ceased to exist in the 80ies.
If you had been Steve Jobs business partner you'd be sobbing in a corner. Jobs became a marketing genius and he had a feeling for 'taste' but without Woz' engineering genius he could have ended up selling refrigerators.
100% DISAGREE.
No. Steve Jobs would've found something or someone else to further his ambitions in tech and changing the world. While it's possible to change the world with a new efficient, allways-on, AI refrigerator... I just don't believe SJ would've stuck to that, even if it was a stepping stone to greatness.
No. Steve Jobs would've found something or someone else to further his ambitions in tech and changing the world. While it's possible to change the world with a new efficient, allways-on, AI refrigerator... I just don't believe SJ would've stuck to that, even if it was a stepping stone to greatness.
Possible. But It's probable Woz would have ended as an employee (and maybe even happy with it) at HP or wherever. It's as probable Jobs would never have succeeded without Woz. If it wouldn't have been a friend, what other genius would have worked with that 'hippie'? Who would have accepted his behavior? Nowadays, everybody respects Jobs, but back then...
Possible. But It's probable Woz would have ended as an employee (and maybe even happy with it) at HP or wherever. It's as probable Jobs would never have succeeded without Woz. If it wouldn't have been a friend, what other genius would have worked with that 'hippie'? Who would have accepted his behavior? Nowadays, everybody respects Jobs, but back then...
Don't forget that regardless of what they both showed, almost no one believed in the Apple I.
Steve Jobs' persistence (and a whole host of negative qualities) is what made him essential to the the success of Apple... including being a smelly assh0le hippy.
You can't mix and match ingredients here like a cake. He was who he was and that's a large part of what made him special, and of course despised and hated.
It's something that many geniuses have in common unfortunately.
He or she was just saying that he was important to the inception of the company. Of course he designed those, and that was important. But that has nothing to do with the current success of the company. He admittedly wanted nothing to do with running the company. Products themselves don't make a company survive or do well. Someone has to figure out how to market them and make people want them.
The commodore, amiga, and other computer of that era were also great and popular computers. Those companies aren't around. Apple has thrived because it evolved and created new products that are dominating their markets. Woz has nothing to do with that.
This is no either... or. They needed each other. Woz wouldn't have marketed any computer and without Woz, Jobs wouldn't have had anything to sell. There would simply be no Apple.
Wozniak has been a pile of randomly firing neurons for the last 30+ years. He's a court jester whose ancient accomplishments somehow keep him relevant. I don't understand it.
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Prologue, p. 9 - " ... on 11 April 1985, the board of directors had endorsed my decision to remove Steve Jobs from his base of power in the company."
P. 330, re Apple board meeting, 10 April 1985 - " ... I (Sculley) told our directors they had a choice: 'I'm asking Steve to step down ... ".
P.355, " ... I (Sculley) called together the executive staff. They weren't open to giving Steve a major role in the company."
P.355, "On 31 May I (Sculley) signed the paperwork removing him (Jobs) as executive vice president."
Clear enough?
Don't you know there's an official biography out there written by Walter Isaacson that Jobs, himself, endorsed?
Here's the truth, which aligns with Sculley and Wozniak's recollection of what happened. Jobs went to Apple's board and tried to have Sculley removed from his position. The board eventually sided with Sculley (due to how Jobs handled the Macintosh project, which was a commercial failure) and stripped Jobs from his position. He was relegated to basically being the 'face' of Apple and had no actual role. After a while, he got fed up and quit.
I have dozens of employees who left with Steve after the board voted no confidence and stripped him of his position. Steve Wozniak is a coward and a chickenshit who gets $120k/year for life doing nothing for Apple.
I'm sorry, but how does this clash with what Wozniak, Sculley and Isaacson (in the official biography of Steve Jobs) said? Jobs tried to get Sculley fired, the board supported Sculley (which made sense given how Jobs handled the Macintosh and how it ended up as a commercial failure) and stripped Jobs of his position. He still worked at Apple, but had no real role there and became the 'face' of Apple. He eventually got fed up and quit.
Read his biography............
Woz is such a jerk, and probably always has been. No wonder Steve gave him a hard time, I couldn't deal with such a moron either.
You're right. Anyone that speaks facts is a total jerk. Why do facts have to exist? Why couldn't we keep the Steve Jobs myths?
The guy who invented the freaking personal computer itself is far from a "moron."
What have you accomplished to compare to that?
You can be skilled and still be a moron (Hitler was a total asshole but still historically significant!). Most specialists are morons. He seems like one of those people who had a high degree of specialisation but was absolutely clueless about the rest of reality.
What comes out of his mouth nowadays is the sort of tripe I would expect from a dimwitted Fandroid. He should stick to his 1's and 0's and give public speaking a miss IMO.
Jealous?
This seems to comport well with what Woz said. It seems to reflect Steve being demoted, having nothing to do and possibly leaving of his own accord. It also does nothing to change the fact of his post-Apple successes (I count NeXT a success as its acquisition by Apple set the stage for really great things) and return of himself and Apple to greatness.
Doesn't change that Scully steered Apple toward a ditch, and several replacements were unable to change that trajectory. But Steve did.
Like any great two act play, or resurrection story, there has to be a great fall and death in order for the rebirth and triumph to really shine.
TBH, I don't see that, either. Woz seems pretty easy-going from what I've seen. Definitely seems more like a kind of guy you'd want to have a beer with than Jobs was.
Oh wait. He said something nice about Android at some point. Well, then. KILL THE INFIDEL :rolleyes:
Invoking Godwin's Law and everything. Sheesh. :no:
THERE WOULD BE NO APPLE AT ALL if not for Woz.
Given his lists of accomplishments, I'm amazed that you could make such statements regarding Woz. Aside from SJ, Woz may have done more than anybody else to ensure Apple's survival.
If i was Steve Jobs business partner i would it accomplish more than that loser..even a monkey could create a computer if he has great teacher, and i'm pretty sure the first real modern computers were Macintosh I and II (the original iMac and Mac Pro)
I think Jobs saying he was fired was his shorthand for the situation, and is true enough to the spirit of what happened, even if not technically, legally accurate.
As for embarrassment over the Macintosh being the reason, well that's a bit speculative. I certainly doubt it was the whole reason, but a certain amount of powerlessness and corporate humbling would certainly have been in play, so maybe it's not so far from the truth.
BTW I still think this, together with Pixar and Next was absolutely crucial for him to become a good CEO. If they had let him continue at Apple as he wanted, Apple would have ceased to exist in the 80ies.
If i was Steve Jobs business partner i would it accomplish more than that loser..even a monkey could create a computer if he has great teacher, and i'm pretty sure the first real modern computers were Macintosh I and II (the original iMac and Mac Pro)
If you had been Steve Jobs business partner you'd be sobbing in a corner. Jobs became a marketing genius and he had a feeling for 'taste' but without Woz' engineering genius he could have ended up selling refrigerators.
Why weren't any of my posts published?
100% agree...
100% DISAGREE.
No. Steve Jobs would've found something or someone else to further his ambitions in tech and changing the world. While it's possible to change the world with a new efficient, allways-on, AI refrigerator... I just don't believe SJ would've stuck to that, even if it was a stepping stone to greatness.
No. Steve Jobs would've found something or someone else to further his ambitions in tech and changing the world. While it's possible to change the world with a new efficient, allways-on, AI refrigerator... I just don't believe SJ would've stuck to that, even if it was a stepping stone to greatness.
Possible. But It's probable Woz would have ended as an employee (and maybe even happy with it) at HP or wherever. It's as probable Jobs would never have succeeded without Woz. If it wouldn't have been a friend, what other genius would have worked with that 'hippie'? Who would have accepted his behavior? Nowadays, everybody respects Jobs, but back then...
1) I have no reason to doubt Woz here.
2) His assuming is in regards to what Jobs was feeling, which is the correct way to word that.
People get so literal and then complain. For whatever reason Steve Jobs left.
Don't forget that regardless of what they both showed, almost no one believed in the Apple I.
Steve Jobs' persistence (and a whole host of negative qualities) is what made him essential to the the success of Apple... including being a smelly assh0le hippy.
You can't mix and match ingredients here like a cake. He was who he was and that's a large part of what made him special, and of course despised and hated.
It's something that many geniuses have in common unfortunately.
He or she was just saying that he was important to the inception of the company. Of course he designed those, and that was important. But that has nothing to do with the current success of the company. He admittedly wanted nothing to do with running the company. Products themselves don't make a company survive or do well. Someone has to figure out how to market them and make people want them.
The commodore, amiga, and other computer of that era were also great and popular computers. Those companies aren't around. Apple has thrived because it evolved and created new products that are dominating their markets. Woz has nothing to do with that.
This is no either... or. They needed each other. Woz wouldn't have marketed any computer and without Woz, Jobs wouldn't have had anything to sell. There would simply be no Apple.
Wozniak has been a pile of randomly firing neurons for the last 30+ years. He's a court jester whose ancient accomplishments somehow keep him relevant. I don't understand it.
When will yours?