Piracy question.
Am I pirating Jag if I download it while I wait for my copy to get here? I've ordered it and it's already out to consumers, so am I being a pirate? Just wondering what others think about this.
Also, is it piracy if I download something but don't actually install it? I've got a few things that I've stumbled across, thought would be cool to experiment with and then didn't do anything with them but I just have them on my harddrive, uninstalled. I guess I'm just looking for a little clarity on this issue. Any thoughts?
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: torifile ]</p>
Also, is it piracy if I download something but don't actually install it? I've got a few things that I've stumbled across, thought would be cool to experiment with and then didn't do anything with them but I just have them on my harddrive, uninstalled. I guess I'm just looking for a little clarity on this issue. Any thoughts?
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: torifile ]</p>
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[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: Dead Cillia ]</p>
<strong>There is nothing wrong with pirating.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That explains the problems you keep having with your Mac.
Karma.
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: murbot ]</p>
<strong>Am I pirating Jag if I download it while I wait for my copy to get here?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Pirating is making a copy of a work (software, book, article, painting - anything copyrightable) without the consent or authorization of the copyright holder (Apple, in this case).
It makes common sense that, since you paid (or will pay, when it ships) for Jaguar, you should be allowed to copy it from somewhere else, but that's not the (legal) case.
If you're wondering whether Apple would care, think about it this way: if you asked one of Apple's lawyers whether what you want to do would be considered pirating, what do you think they would say?
2) As long as it's uninstalled, I don't see a problem there either. But if you use it for anything other than monkying around, then it's a problem.
Amorya
Edit: Seems like many others have a slightly different opinion on piracy. My view is probably the legal view... if you try to rationalize it, you get the other points of view.
[ 08-13-2002: Message edited by: MCQ ]</p>
BTW, it was only $69 for me
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Pirating is making a copy of a work (software, book, article, painting - anything copyrightable) without the consent or authorization of the copyright holder (Apple, in this case).</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, by copyright law it's publishing (i.e., making available to the public) unauthorized copies of a work. I can make all the copies of a book that I want to as long as I don't start distributing them. US Copyright law was, until 1988, concerned exclusively with publication, and much of the law reflects that.
Now, you might violate the software's license agreement by making or downloading a copy, even if you keep it for yourself. But that's contract law, not copyright law.
So, I guess that means having copies of disc images on my HD, as long as they're not installed, would be ok? That's how I interpret it anyway. This is the problem with piracy rules, BTW. It's too vague and subject to interpretation. Interesting discussion fodder, though, isn't it?
<strong>Actually, by copyright law it's publishing (i.e., making available to the public) unauthorized copies of a work. I can make all the copies of a book that I want to as long as I don't start distributing them. US Copyright law was, until 1988, concerned exclusively with publication, and much of the law reflects that.
Now, you might violate the software's license agreement by making or downloading a copy, even if you keep it for yourself. But that's contract law, not copyright law.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, copyright law is concerned with copying, not publishing. Nowhere does it mention anything about publishing. It's all about making copies.
There is wording in copyright law that isn't beneficial to the copyright holder; things like fair use and backups and copyright time limits. Things the copyright holder can't dictate. For example, you are, regardless of license agreement, allowed to make a single backup copy of software for "safe keeping." Also, you are allowed to copy the software from the media it is stored on, to your computer's RAM so that you may use it (yes, that's actually in the law).
<strong>You should be okay so long as you don't loan the CD's or disk images out. Or install them on more than one of your own Macs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Remeber that the original poster asked whether it's piracy, not whether it's "OK" or "not a problem" or whatever else. It is piracy. Having said that, I ordered my update but I'd accept a copy right now if I could get it by "some other means." But, I'd know full well I was pirating it. I just wouldn't feel bad about it.