Let's see, 14.1" TFT, a 1 GHz G3, with a long-overdue graphics upgrade?
I'd buy one in a heartbeat! Let's not forget that this thing will be the coolest looking thing since, well, the last Apple product that was released... and those iPods look pretty sweet!
Clear it properly? Come on, you're making my head hurt ... anything that has to be "cleared properly" better be written well or its just gonna get torn up, especially if it gets posted then yanked then posted.
You miss the point. To buy an iMac now (in its current form) is a giant waste of money. It offers NOTHING compelling over an iBook for similar money. The market for an iMac is now limited (where perhaps it wasn't before) because all the people like your grandmother who don't care for an expandable computer likely won't care for a replacement for their perfectly usable iMacs either. I don't think it will be expandable either; My feeling is Apple will try to move units through a triumph of industrial design. And it had better be stunning to look at or they're going to have a hard time at the prices they'll want to charge for it.
You can't just write people off as too stupid to know what they need. People have been voting with their checkbooks for the past decade, and despite efforts to the contrary Apple hasn't been able to keep (let alone increase) it's market-share in some markets. Sure Apple is quite healthy, and will continue to be so, but it cannot **as it claims it wants to** increase its market without paying more attention to the buying patterns of all those windows users.
What are they buying? 'Cheap' and 'expandable' computers. While the powermac is expandable, it certainly isn't cheap, and while the iMac is cheap it certainly isn't expandable. 'Stores' and 'Digital Lifestyle' marketing aside, Apple cannot claim to be serious about market-share without taking some care to provide what the rest of the market keeps -- through the best evidence of its own spending -- saying it wants. I believe there is room within Apple's philosophy for a little change. No one is asking for iMac priced powermacs, just a little nod to consumer needs. The space for a good/affordable soundcard is not too much to ask, neither is the ability to swap a video card, or easily change a HDD.
Powermacs will continue to be available with a faster I/O and memory subsystems, and faster and dual proc configs. It isn't simply a choice between iMacs and Powermacs that the market makes: if people can't find the middle ground they seek, they don't just buck-up and buy a powermac, or live with the limits of an iMac, they buy the PC that fits what they need (or think they need)
Anyone care to hazard a guess at the relative DVD encoding times for a G4 (With the code taking advantage of AltiVec) compared to a G3?
Did the article say nothing about the enclosure? Given that the specs match the more optimistic guesses here at AI, the information provided here doesn't really add anything new to the discussion.
14.1 is bigger then the current screen. So it IS an improvement. You can't expect them to put in a 15.2 inch widescreen and have the price come in at $999.
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Yeah but how would you market that when the previous iMac had a 15" screen? We know that it was only 13.8" viewable and a 14" LCD would be about a quarter inch bigger but joe consumer won't. If the rumors of the Pro LCD line moving to 17", 19" and 22" sizes is true than it would be smart if they put the 15" in there if its no longer used in the Pro line. I'd prefer a widescreen 15" display myself but maybe it would make more sense.
Rumor has it that it will no longer be called "iMac" and instead be known as "Revolution 2" or something along those lines.
<strong>Clear it properly? Come on, you're making my head hurt ... anything that has to be "cleared properly" better be written well or its just gonna get torn up, especially if it gets posted then yanked then posted.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh come on. AI is a part of MacNN. Any "news site" has a chain of command that ends with the head editor. MacNN catches the legal hell when AI publishes "trade secrets". So give 'im a break if they need to "clear" something before it's on the AI site.
Yeah but how would you market that when the previous iMac had a 15" screen? We know that it was only 13.8" viewable and a 14" LCD would be about a quarter inch bigger but joe consumer won't.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good point but the same could be said about the MHZ myth. Do you think that Joe Sixpack is going to look at an ad for the new iMac and say "but the old one had a 15 inch screen"? Hopefully he'll be so wow'd by the Superdrive, Ghz, 32meg video card and teleportation system that he'll forget about the monitor size. Oh yeah, throw in a G4 too, now thats a spicey meatball!
... and they didn't say whom they were clearing it with or for what. A second source? Spelling mistakes? What? Clearing it with MacNN didn't even come to mind.
Good point but the same could be said about the MHZ myth. Do you think that Joe Sixpack is going to look at an ad for the new iMac and say "but the old one had a 15 inch screen"? Hopefully he'll be so wow'd by the Superdrive, Ghz, 32meg video card and teleportation system that he'll forget about the monitor size. Oh yeah, throw in a G4 too, now thats a spicey meatball!</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, he'll see the 14" display and say it sucks and by a crappy PC with a 15" CRT instead. Trust me, I've seen this sort of thing many times. I'm betting (or at least hoping) it will have a 15" display if its announced.
I would agree that it should be easier to REPLACE your HDD, or your sound card or video card, but to leave room for mulitple HDDs and extra slots isn't needed in an iMac.
The people who are buying BTO PCs are buying either high-end PCs (and would buy a PowerMac on our side) or are buying the cheap PCs (and would opt for the iMac on our side).
But everyone who knows anything about PCs knows that it's better to build your own system than to buy one from Gateway or worse, eMachines.
THey will buy their ocmputer, and it will be expandable. But they will probably never expand it.
The iMac is made for those who don't ever need to expand their computer. Replace bits here and there, that's fine. It's made for schools who just need it for kids to do research and homework on. For paretns who want to send movies (and hopefully soon DVDs) of their kids to the grandparents.
It's not for anyone who is really using the computer (like you and I).
Most people NEVER use their comptuers potential. They just want Morpheus to load fast, and they want their MP3s to sound good. They want to burn a CD. They want their internet connection to be fast.
They want their games to run smoothly.
They dont' care about advanced graphics acceleration unless the new game they bought needs it.
They don't care about extra HDDs cause they'll probably enver fill up 60GBs anyway.
Keep in mind that my 13.3" Wallstreet powerbook screen has the exact same viewable area as an iMac's 15" Cathode ray screen. Also keep in mind Apple is aiming for a certain price point.
"Now, there are two likely scenarios to explain why AI might have pulled this story quickly enough to give its server whiplash. The first is that it's so close to the truth that Apple, who's been monitoring AppleInsider 24-7 for the past seven months just waiting for something like this to happen, immediately leaped in with a cease-and-desist, thus preventing the site from spoiling the surprise. The second is that, immediately after posting, AppleInsider realized just how unlikely a $1299 gigahertz iMac with a 15-inch LCD display and a SuperDrive really sounds, and decided that its comeback should probably lean slightly more towards the credible side. "
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I'd buy one in a heartbeat! Let's not forget that this thing will be the coolest looking thing since, well, the last Apple product that was released... and those iPods look pretty sweet!
You miss the point. To buy an iMac now (in its current form) is a giant waste of money. It offers NOTHING compelling over an iBook for similar money. The market for an iMac is now limited (where perhaps it wasn't before) because all the people like your grandmother who don't care for an expandable computer likely won't care for a replacement for their perfectly usable iMacs either. I don't think it will be expandable either; My feeling is Apple will try to move units through a triumph of industrial design. And it had better be stunning to look at or they're going to have a hard time at the prices they'll want to charge for it.
You can't just write people off as too stupid to know what they need. People have been voting with their checkbooks for the past decade, and despite efforts to the contrary Apple hasn't been able to keep (let alone increase) it's market-share in some markets. Sure Apple is quite healthy, and will continue to be so, but it cannot **as it claims it wants to** increase its market without paying more attention to the buying patterns of all those windows users.
What are they buying? 'Cheap' and 'expandable' computers. While the powermac is expandable, it certainly isn't cheap, and while the iMac is cheap it certainly isn't expandable. 'Stores' and 'Digital Lifestyle' marketing aside, Apple cannot claim to be serious about market-share without taking some care to provide what the rest of the market keeps -- through the best evidence of its own spending -- saying it wants. I believe there is room within Apple's philosophy for a little change. No one is asking for iMac priced powermacs, just a little nod to consumer needs. The space for a good/affordable soundcard is not too much to ask, neither is the ability to swap a video card, or easily change a HDD.
Powermacs will continue to be available with a faster I/O and memory subsystems, and faster and dual proc configs. It isn't simply a choice between iMacs and Powermacs that the market makes: if people can't find the middle ground they seek, they don't just buck-up and buy a powermac, or live with the limits of an iMac, they buy the PC that fits what they need (or think they need)
And that's the truth.
So Jonathan, who do you have to clear it up with? And when is it gunna be put back on AI?
Did the article say nothing about the enclosure? Given that the specs match the more optimistic guesses here at AI, the information provided here doesn't really add anything new to the discussion.
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14.1 is bigger then the current screen. So it IS an improvement. You can't expect them to put in a 15.2 inch widescreen and have the price come in at $999.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah but how would you market that when the previous iMac had a 15" screen? We know that it was only 13.8" viewable and a 14" LCD would be about a quarter inch bigger but joe consumer won't. If the rumors of the Pro LCD line moving to 17", 19" and 22" sizes is true than it would be smart if they put the 15" in there if its no longer used in the Pro line. I'd prefer a widescreen 15" display myself but maybe it would make more sense.
Rumor has it that it will no longer be called "iMac" and instead be known as "Revolution 2" or something along those lines.
<strong>Clear it properly? Come on, you're making my head hurt ... anything that has to be "cleared properly" better be written well or its just gonna get torn up, especially if it gets posted then yanked then posted.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Oh come on. AI is a part of MacNN. Any "news site" has a chain of command that ends with the head editor. MacNN catches the legal hell when AI publishes "trade secrets". So give 'im a break if they need to "clear" something before it's on the AI site.
Actually, I probably would. It would at least get some serious consideration. Now the X-Box is going to take care of most of my gaming needs.
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Yeah but how would you market that when the previous iMac had a 15" screen? We know that it was only 13.8" viewable and a 14" LCD would be about a quarter inch bigger but joe consumer won't.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Good point but the same could be said about the MHZ myth. Do you think that Joe Sixpack is going to look at an ad for the new iMac and say "but the old one had a 15 inch screen"? Hopefully he'll be so wow'd by the Superdrive, Ghz, 32meg video card and teleportation system that he'll forget about the monitor size. Oh yeah, throw in a G4 too, now thats a spicey meatball!
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Good point but the same could be said about the MHZ myth. Do you think that Joe Sixpack is going to look at an ad for the new iMac and say "but the old one had a 15 inch screen"? Hopefully he'll be so wow'd by the Superdrive, Ghz, 32meg video card and teleportation system that he'll forget about the monitor size. Oh yeah, throw in a G4 too, now thats a spicey meatball!</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, he'll see the 14" display and say it sucks and by a crappy PC with a 15" CRT instead. Trust me, I've seen this sort of thing many times. I'm betting (or at least hoping) it will have a 15" display if its announced.
I would agree that it should be easier to REPLACE your HDD, or your sound card or video card, but to leave room for mulitple HDDs and extra slots isn't needed in an iMac.
The people who are buying BTO PCs are buying either high-end PCs (and would buy a PowerMac on our side) or are buying the cheap PCs (and would opt for the iMac on our side).
But everyone who knows anything about PCs knows that it's better to build your own system than to buy one from Gateway or worse, eMachines.
THey will buy their ocmputer, and it will be expandable. But they will probably never expand it.
The iMac is made for those who don't ever need to expand their computer. Replace bits here and there, that's fine. It's made for schools who just need it for kids to do research and homework on. For paretns who want to send movies (and hopefully soon DVDs) of their kids to the grandparents.
It's not for anyone who is really using the computer (like you and I).
Most people NEVER use their comptuers potential. They just want Morpheus to load fast, and they want their MP3s to sound good. They want to burn a CD. They want their internet connection to be fast.
They want their games to run smoothly.
They dont' care about advanced graphics acceleration unless the new game they bought needs it.
They don't care about extra HDDs cause they'll probably enver fill up 60GBs anyway.
If they do, they can buy an external one.
Andrew
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"Now, there are two likely scenarios to explain why AI might have pulled this story quickly enough to give its server whiplash. The first is that it's so close to the truth that Apple, who's been monitoring AppleInsider 24-7 for the past seven months just waiting for something like this to happen, immediately leaped in with a cease-and-desist, thus preventing the site from spoiling the surprise. The second is that, immediately after posting, AppleInsider realized just how unlikely a $1299 gigahertz iMac with a 15-inch LCD display and a SuperDrive really sounds, and decided that its comeback should probably lean slightly more towards the credible side. "
<strong>They hit the nail right on the head:
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Which nail?
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Which nail?
That's what I'm starting to think too.