There is nothing particulary rational about wall street valuation...
Amazon, google, and msft are the companies that are irrationally priced for what they actually produce, not Apple being underpriced.
It has always made me laugh reading comments from people who use this term "Wall Street" like it means some thing.
Certain posters have such a negative view of Wall Street, like oil companies it is an easy target for many peoples ire. Completely unjustified imho.
Wall Street is essentially an exchange which allows the world to buy and sell shares. Every day about 15 trillion changes hands on the exchanges. Just think about that for a minute 15 trillion. The U.S. Economy is insignificant in comparison!
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Ranting about "Wall Street" this and "wall street" that, is counter productive. It's the people silly, you may as well get angry about all the people who are make millions of buy and sell decisions. Wall Street doesn't set the price of Apple. The people who invest their money in it do! Same for almost every of the 6000 stocks listed.
Why don't you try to understand their decision processes than wasting you time blaming some magical entity that your brain thinks is some kind of conspiracy going on in the financial center in New York! Because dude I think that is delusional, but hey thanks for the entertainment
Why should I pay more for my Apple equipment just to benefit some random American?
You are incorrect in your assumption. Similarly SPEC'd PC equipment is simply more expensive than MACs nowadays. Take the time tactually research you claim please, In fact Apple's economies of scale and ability to negotiate low prices for parts has an enabled them to undercut other manufacturers in most case esp. when it comes to MacBooks. This is why "at the spec level of MacBooks" not many, if any have been able to compete . Now of course if you want to pay $300 for a cheap, entry level PC.laptop with minimal spec, but to last perhaps a year before breaking using several generations ago's chips at Costco or equivalent - go right ahead. You get what you pay for generally. But don't dare compare a $300 machine with a a top of the line Macbook or iMac, go back to the 1990's hole you came from.
Enjoy your delusions! Learn what the word ‘conspiracy’ means and we’ll promise to consider not laughing at you.
"WE", how many of them are you in your head? How many entities do you have flying around inside you head? Its seems You or the "we" in your case have several personalities there ! lol and btw it usually the people who accuse others of needing help who need help themselves , such is the way of people like you
It has to be done one niche at a time. You build up areas of competency over time. And certainly assembly is portable.
About corporate taxes and offshore profits. It's pretty simple. If you want to sell into the American market, bring the profits home. If not, you're banned. You want to do inversion mergers? Fine. Expect to pay stiff tariffs to sell your products in the US. It's time we fought back. We do not have to be helpless.
That's how you modernize corporate tax policy. America should not be run for the sole benefit of the investor class.
It has always made me laugh reading comments from people who use this term "Wall Street" like it means some thing.
Certain posters have such a negative view of Wall Street, like oil companies it is an easy target for many peoples ire. Completely unjustified imho.
Wall Street is essentially an exchange which allows the world to buy and sell shares. Every day about 15 trillion changes hands on the exchanges. Just think about that for a minute 15 trillion. The U.S. Economy is insignificant in comparison!
K
Ranting about "Wall Street" this and "wall street" that, is counter productive. It's the people silly, you may as well get angry about all the people who are make millions of buy and sell decisions. Wall Street doesn't set the price of Apple. The people who invest their money in it do! Same for almost every of the 6000 stocks listed.
Why don't you try to understand their decision processes than wasting you time blaming some magical entity that your brain thinks is some kind of conspiracy going on in the financial center in New York! Because dude I think that is delusional, but hey thanks for the entertainment
There is no need for a conspiracy, just good ol" greed; Group think amongst the greedy even.
The resulting actions/decisions/attitudes regarding the outgroup are usually pretty shoddy.
The results look like a conspiracy, but a better plausible deniability. The directed action emerged implicitly instead of explicitly.
As for those "people", they are not "people" as normally defined by well... "people" (unless you think corporations are people) (sic)
Normal everyday people, the likes there are here, are bit players in the global flow of capital.
I realize that and got nothing against that per say if it doesn't mean we can't invest without getting screwed over.
It's just the "let's regulate ourselves" or privatization of profit while losses are somehow public (directly through bail out, or by wrecking the general economy ) that pisses me off and should piss off anyone. If you take the risk, you assume the losses. That's the whole point of getting a high return on your investment. Running to mommy like pissy kids when you crapped on the floor and then later saying you don't need her around once everything's been cleaned: well, that's wall street now
If regulation and oversight can make the market truly fair for all, and insure that risks are only contained to those who really take them (which has still not been resolved), that would be fantastic. Not sure how anyone could oppose that: but they do!
Wall Street doesn't need a teardown, but needs hell of a lot of reform, which they fight tooth and nail because supposedly it "infringes on the free market", like what the hell is now is actually a free market... (sic).
Then there's the problem with the RMB being roughly 1/7th the value of the Dollar due to currency manipulation (which is not to say that the US dollar is not also manipulated).
Yes, the Chinese do control their currency more than we or the EU do.
However, the fact that it is 1/7th has nothing to do with it. That would be like saying Japan manipulates its currency by a factor of 15x more than China does because the Yen's value is 1/120th of the US dollar.
You are incorrect in your assumption. Similarly SPEC'd PC equipment is simply more expensive than MACs nowadays. Take the time tactually research you claim please, In fact Apple's economies of scale and ability to negotiate low prices for parts has an enabled them to undercut other manufacturers in most case esp. when it comes to MacBooks. This is why "at the spec level of MacBooks" not many, if any have been able to compete . Now of course if you want to pay $300 for a cheap, entry level PC.laptop with minimal spec, but to last perhaps a year before breaking using several generations ago's chips at Costco or equivalent - go right ahead. You get what you pay for generally. But don't dare compare a $300 machine with a a top of the line Macbook or iMac, go back to the 1990's hole you came from.
You may need some assistance with your reading, what does any of that have to do with the possible increased costs of manufacturing an Apple item in the US compared to China?
Why not just sell $115 put out to next summer then buy a 114 or other strike price PUT to protect it that way you get some money up front, if at any point between now and then the stock goes up much above 115 then buy the 115 put back, thus taking some profit and getting out of the trade and moving on then if the stock drops below the lower PUT sell that back at a profit too
It's called a bull put spread with up front credit due to spread. Bull put spreads only require a limited amount of buying power for big gains too
I'm also short 100 put contracts laddered out to Jan 2017 at strikes ranging from $105 to $120, about $73k credit from those. So I'm playing that side too, to good success thus far.
You don't actually expect a factually coherent sentence from someone with no credibility like rogifan do you? People like him have an m.o. That reads , type something as fast as possible based on no evidence, some silly notion based on flatulence, hit submit without re-reading, then go back to watching re-runs of some 70s show.
I take my chances on some things. If I post an aggravated response, they definitely won't read it. Most of the time I just don't bother to respond in those cases.
It has always made me laugh reading comments from people who use this term "Wall Street" like it means some thing.
Certain posters have such a negative view of Wall Street, like oil companies it is an easy target for many peoples ire. Completely unjustified imho.
Wall Street is essentially an exchange which allows the world to buy and sell shares. Every day about 15 trillion changes hands on the exchanges. Just think about that for a minute 15 trillion. The U.S. Economy is insignificant in comparison!
K
Ranting about "Wall Street" this and "wall street" that, is counter productive. It's the people silly, you may as well get angry about all the people who are make millions of buy and sell decisions. Wall Street doesn't set the price of Apple. The people who invest their money in it do! Same for almost every of the 6000 stocks listed.
Why don't you try to understand their decision processes than wasting you time blaming some magical entity that your brain thinks is some kind of conspiracy going on in the financial center in New York! Because dude I think that is delusional, but hey thanks for the entertainment
Why don't you read about Wall Street, or th NYSE if you prefer, and then explain how an organization with short of 20 trillion market cap has no own interest, or potential power over stock prices. "Just a location where sellers meet buyers" would be true of brothels as well, yes?
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It has always made me laugh reading comments from people who use this term "Wall Street" like it means some thing.
Certain posters have such a negative view of Wall Street, like oil companies it is an easy target for many peoples ire. Completely unjustified imho.
Wall Street is essentially an exchange which allows the world to buy and sell shares. Every day about 15 trillion changes hands on the exchanges. Just think about that for a minute 15 trillion. The U.S. Economy is insignificant in comparison!
K
Ranting about "Wall Street" this and "wall street" that, is counter productive. It's the people silly, you may as well get angry about all the people who are make millions of buy and sell decisions. Wall Street doesn't set the price of Apple. The people who invest their money in it do! Same for almost every of the 6000 stocks listed.
Why don't you try to understand their decision processes than wasting you time blaming some magical entity that your brain thinks is some kind of conspiracy going on in the financial center in New York! Because dude I think that is delusional, but hey thanks for the entertainment
If a nation is its people, Wall Street is its investors. It’s a blanket term to refer to the people who trade therewith. Don’t be intentionally dense.
Seek psychiatric help, please, if you actually think there are no conspiracies regarding finance.
Similarly price Mac equipment is actually cheaper
Why should I pay more for my Apple equipment just to benefit some random American?
You are incorrect in your assumption. Similarly SPEC'd PC equipment is simply more expensive than MACs nowadays. Take the time tactually research you claim please, In fact Apple's economies of scale and ability to negotiate low prices for parts has an enabled them to undercut other manufacturers in most case esp. when it comes to MacBooks. This is why "at the spec level of MacBooks" not many, if any have been able to compete . Now of course if you want to pay $300 for a cheap, entry level PC.laptop with minimal spec, but to last perhaps a year before breaking using several generations ago's chips at Costco or equivalent - go right ahead. You get what you pay for generally. But don't dare compare a $300 machine with a a top of the line Macbook or iMac, go back to the 1990's hole you came from.
If a nation is its people, Wall Street is its investors. It’s a blanket term to refer to the people who trade therewith. Don’t be intentionally dense.
Seek psychiatric help, please, if you actually think there are no conspiracies regarding finance.
oh thank you, nice contribution!
Enjoy your delusions! Learn what the word ‘conspiracy’ means and we’ll promise to consider not laughing at you.
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Enjoy your delusions! Learn what the word ‘conspiracy’ means and we’ll promise to consider not laughing at you.
"WE", how many of them are you in your head? How many entities do you have flying around inside you head? Its seems You or the "we" in your case have several personalities there ! lol and btw it usually the people who accuse others of needing help who need help themselves , such is the way of people like you
Welcome to 1930, Mr. Smoot!
Or is that you, Mr. Hawley?
I don't know if he needs psychiatric help, but you certainly may need reading help. Because that's not what he said.
89. And all of them think the exact same way. Saves on confusion.
The irony is physically painful.
Ell oh ell.
Adorable.
I know exactly what he said, and you know I rewrote it to prevent backpedaling. Come on.
It has always made me laugh reading comments from people who use this term "Wall Street" like it means some thing.
Certain posters have such a negative view of Wall Street, like oil companies it is an easy target for many peoples ire. Completely unjustified imho.
Wall Street is essentially an exchange which allows the world to buy and sell shares. Every day about 15 trillion changes hands on the exchanges. Just think about that for a minute 15 trillion. The U.S. Economy is insignificant in comparison!
K
Ranting about "Wall Street" this and "wall street" that, is counter productive. It's the people silly, you may as well get angry about all the people who are make millions of buy and sell decisions. Wall Street doesn't set the price of Apple. The people who invest their money in it do! Same for almost every of the 6000 stocks listed.
Why don't you try to understand their decision processes than wasting you time blaming some magical entity that your brain thinks is some kind of conspiracy going on in the financial center in New York! Because dude I think that is delusional, but hey thanks for the entertainment
There is no need for a conspiracy, just good ol" greed; Group think amongst the greedy even.
The resulting actions/decisions/attitudes regarding the outgroup are usually pretty shoddy.
The results look like a conspiracy, but a better plausible deniability. The directed action emerged implicitly instead of explicitly.
As for those "people", they are not "people" as normally defined by well... "people" (unless you think corporations are people) (sic)
Normal everyday people, the likes there are here, are bit players in the global flow of capital.
I realize that and got nothing against that per say if it doesn't mean we can't invest without getting screwed over.
It's just the "let's regulate ourselves" or privatization of profit while losses are somehow public (directly through bail out, or by wrecking the general economy ) that pisses me off and should piss off anyone. If you take the risk, you assume the losses. That's the whole point of getting a high return on your investment. Running to mommy like pissy kids when you crapped on the floor and then later saying you don't need her around once everything's been cleaned: well, that's wall street now
If regulation and oversight can make the market truly fair for all, and insure that risks are only contained to those who really take them (which has still not been resolved), that would be fantastic. Not sure how anyone could oppose that: but they do!
Wall Street doesn't need a teardown, but needs hell of a lot of reform, which they fight tooth and nail because supposedly it "infringes on the free market", like what the hell is now is actually a free market... (sic).
Yes, the Chinese do control their currency more than we or the EU do.
However, the fact that it is 1/7th has nothing to do with it. That would be like saying Japan manipulates its currency by a factor of 15x more than China does because the Yen's value is 1/120th of the US dollar.
You may need some assistance with your reading, what does any of that have to do with the possible increased costs of manufacturing an Apple item in the US compared to China?
Why not just sell $115 put out to next summer then buy a 114 or other strike price PUT to protect it that way you get some money up front, if at any point between now and then the stock goes up much above 115 then buy the 115 put back, thus taking some profit and getting out of the trade and moving on then if the stock drops below the lower PUT sell that back at a profit too
It's called a bull put spread with up front credit due to spread. Bull put spreads only require a limited amount of buying power for big gains too
I'm also short 100 put contracts laddered out to Jan 2017 at strikes ranging from $105 to $120, about $73k credit from those. So I'm playing that side too, to good success thus far.
cook has stated its not the labor costs, it's the components ecosystem that keeps them in Asia.
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You don't actually expect a factually coherent sentence from someone with no credibility like rogifan do you? People like him have an m.o. That reads , type something as fast as possible based on no evidence, some silly notion based on flatulence, hit submit without re-reading, then go back to watching re-runs of some 70s show.
I take my chances on some things. If I post an aggravated response, they definitely won't read it. Most of the time I just don't bother to respond in those cases.
Does that leave room for storing penguins?
Crap, now I have to reread the series to find the reference I can’t remember.
Why don't you read about Wall Street, or th NYSE if you prefer, and then explain how an organization with short of 20 trillion market cap has no own interest, or potential power over stock prices. "Just a location where sellers meet buyers" would be true of brothels as well, yes?