Donald Trump is a Buffon and a clown and anybody who votes for him is nuts.
he is a million times better than Hillary or that commie Sanders. Let's see how well Apple will do when it will be nationalized by Sanders.
Sanders is a Democratic Socialist. There is a big difference. He can't nationalize anything, especially since he won't win the Dem nod, let alone the presidency. Although with Hillary's penchant for unbelievably poor campaigning...
Trump has the good ideas, let's see if he can make it happen.
The article ends with:If there’s a will, there’s a way.
And there's your problem. No US CEO, especially Tim Cook, would risk high margins and profits for shareholders (and essentially financial rewards for themselves) just to say that they're making computers in the USA. Not going to happen.
The writer fails to realize that the so-called glory days were more than 25 years ago. Too much has changed and China (and other developing nations) have too much invested in keeping manufacturing in their tight grip. The super cheap labor cannot be replaced overnight. By the time efficient, cost effective automation is available on such a massive skill, it'll be available in China, etc.. at a much cheaper rate.
You do know what a false equivalency is. Look it up. Its different because EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS GOD DAMN PROMISES IS EXTREME. You do know the difference in degrees don't you?
A slew of xenophobic inflammatory promises versus Obama saying he'll close a prison, which the military and the GOP opposed vehemently.. Hey, they're the same in your mind (sic).
Also, his boot lickers say he's not enslaved to lobbyist and he's telling it like it is when you argue he's just like the rest! No cognitive dissonance in their little heads... Not at all. The fact he would be one of those hiring the lobbyists in the first place also totally escapes his throng of morons.
The very fact you talk about immigration reform as a broken promise when you know why it's broken means your disingenuous; like most of his apologists. Same thing with most of Obama's broken promises, many of which depended on being able to pass laws which after he took care of the economy and health care before 2010 was essentially impossible with the most obstructionist house EVER. . The fact Bush tanked the economy completely upending his agenda and prevent most promises from occurring before he lost the house in 2010 to the same turds Trump represents... Well, that's totally escapes you hey.
So, please fracking keep your sauce argument to yourself.
He's not like the others, he's a dangerous demagogue.
It's pretty clear via the yelling and name calling that there isn't much to discuss with you on this matter. First of all fair trade instead of free trade isn't a racist position nor is it extreme. It is the position of many unions and should be a position of the Democratic Party as well. Otherwise all you have is a race to the bottom with the rich on top.
As for why it is broken, he promised he would act on it in a timeframe when he had no obstruction possibilities. He had a Democratic House and Senate. He acted on Health Care during the same time. He didn't pass it because he doesn't want it. I suppose per your reasoning Obama is "tanking the economy" right now as well because I can assure you it will be in near recession by the next election.
Trump has the good ideas, let's see if he can make it happen.
The article ends with:If there’s a will, there’s a way.
And there's your problem. No US CEO, especially Tim Cook, would risk high margins and profits for shareholders (and essentially financial rewards for themselves) just to say that they're making computers in the USA. Not going to happen.
The writer fails to realize that the so-called glory days were more than 25 years ago. Too much has changed and China (and other developing nations) have too much invested in keeping manufacturing in their tight grip. The super cheap labor cannot be replaced overnight. By the time efficient, cost effective automation is available on such a massive skill, it'll be available in China, etc.. at a much cheaper rate.
I have Chinese friends who couldn't bring their fancy BMWs and Audis in China as they impose a 45% tarrif on cars brought in. If Trump put a 45 % retaliatory tarrif on iPhones brought into USA, this would force Apple to forego their 40% margin and take a more acceptable 20% margin and build their phones in the USA. I understand the implication would be more expensive phones, but perhaps in the long term it would energize US industry and save big on shipping costs. Also it would mean less technology leaks to Chinese knock-off companies.
...racist... ...out for himself... ...Dem/Clinton plant...
How many paid shills do we have here, anyway?
ronn said: Sanders is a Democratic Socialist. There is a big difference. He can't nationalize anything, especially since he won't win the Dem nod, let alone the presidency. Although with Hillary's penchant for unbelievably poor campaigning...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH
I laugh because the alternative to the knowledge that people still fucking believe that socialism and communism are different is terrified screaming.
ronn said: No US CEO, especially Tim Cook, would risk high margins and profits for shareholders (and essentially financial rewards for themselves) just to say that they're making computers in the USA. Not going to happen.
Okay. How about... the shareholders themselves, who have shown they are willing to risk profits for such things as energy self-sufficiency? Why wouldn’t they, who are (someone tell me the actual breakdown, please) mostly Americans, want to ensure the employment of other Americans?
Too much has changed...
That’s the thing about changes; they can change back.
The super cheap labor cannot be replaced overnight. By the time efficient, cost effective automation is available on such a massive skill, it'll be available in China, etc.. at a much cheaper rate.
‘Course not! And it’d be mostly machines here, anyway. Instead of warehouses of unskilled laborers, warehouses of machines coded, repaired, and manufactured (design) by laborers. But it WILL return.
You do know what a false equivalency is. Look it up. Its different because EVERY SINGLE ONE OF HIS GOD DAMN PROMISES IS EXTREME. You do know the difference in degrees don't you?
A slew of xenophobic inflammatory promises versus Obama saying he'll close a prison, which the military and the GOP opposed vehemently.. Hey, they're the same in your mind (sic).
Also, his boot lickers say he's not enslaved to lobbyist and he's telling it like it is when you argue he's just like the rest! No cognitive dissonance in their little heads... Not at all. The fact he would be one of those hiring the lobbyists in the first place also totally escapes his throng of morons.
The very fact you talk about immigration reform as a broken promise when you know why it's broken means your disingenuous; like most of his apologists. Same thing with most of Obama's broken promises, many of which depended on being able to pass laws which after he took care of the economy and health care before 2010 was essentially impossible with the most obstructionist house EVER. . The fact Bush tanked the economy completely upending his agenda and prevent most promises from occurring before he lost the house in 2010 to the same turds Trump represents... Well, that's totally escapes you hey.
So, please fracking keep your sauce argument to yourself.
He's not like the others, he's a dangerous demagogue.
It's pretty clear via the yelling and name calling that there isn't much to discuss with you on this matter. First of all fair trade instead of free trade isn't a racist position nor is it extreme. It is the position of many unions and should be a position of the Democratic Party as well. Otherwise all you have is a race to the bottom with the rich on top.
As for why it is broken, he promised he would act on it in a timeframe when he had no obstruction possibilities. He had a Democratic House and Senate. He acted on Health Care during the same time. He didn't pass it because he doesn't want it. I suppose per your reasoning Obama is "tanking the economy" right now as well because I can assure you it will be in near recession by the next election.
Again, immigration is net outward flow, so again what on earth are you trying to solve? The GOP controlled both houses for 6 years without as proper solution; that's a fact. The borders are more secure now than 8 years ago; fact.
People who distort reality like you have to be slammed hard; you understand nothing else.
His statements are racist, sexist, that's also a fact. I'm not going stand around while someone so dangerous utter pure garbage all day long. Everything else is blah blah blah, he's different and talks the truth (sic).... blah blah blah.
Your name tells much how much I should respect you and telling me I'm calling name while Trump craps on everyone's head day and night is pretty choice.,
...racist... ...out for himself... ...Dem/Clinton plant...
How many paid shills do we have here, anyway? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH
I laugh because the alternative to the knowledge that people still fucking believe that socialism and communism are different is terrified screaming. Okay. How about... the shareholders themselves, who have shown they are willing to risk profits for such things as energy self-sufficiency? Why wouldn’t they, who are (someone tell me the actual breakdown, please) mostly Americans, want to ensure the employment of other Americans?That’s the thing about changes; they can change back. ‘Course not! And it’d be mostly machines here, anyway. Instead of warehouses of unskilled laborers, warehouses of machines coded, repaired, and manufactured (design) by laborers. But it WILL return.
do yourself a favor a go travel abroad. Europe, Sweden, Denmark...lovely places. then tell them you think they're communist states. enjoy the laughter.
singularity said: Current president ruling by decree?
Obama 227 (upto Dec 20th 2015) George Bush 291 W. Clinton 364 G. Bush snr 166 R. Reagan 381
Once again he's bloody useless. He can't even do that properly!
I like how this is the only response Obama supporters ever have to his treason. As though the existence of other executive orders disproves the fact that he has committed it.
Fucking hilarious.
foggyhill said:
Good. You say that as though it matters. Or is true. So maybe he shouldn’t have promised them, since he has no authority to pass laws? How about that. “Took care” in the 1920s gangster sense, yes. Sing their praises some more, please. I’m glad to see that you like them, too. Learn what our government is supposed to be. Seven fucking years and you’re still on that bullshit canard? Are you fucking serious? If you gave a fuck at all about what actually tanked the economy, you wouldn’t mention either president. Know what? Let’s just embrace that lie. Make you people squirm and cry. You just have abso-fucking-lutely zero evidence for any of these claims, which I’ve seen copied and pasted thousands of times.xbit said:Keep dreaming. And no one is saying that. We’re saying to get rid of the bullshit free trade agreements, supranational unions, and multinational defense treaties.
foggyhill said:Or you could shut up with your libel, I guess. Stop saying words that have absolutely no meaning to you whatsoever and then claiming the argument is won.
EDIT: Erroneous first quote line removed
I Quote my actual words or don't repond;. Got that buddy. I don't want to read this kind low life, low character response again. I'm reporting this post.
Again, immigration is net outward flow, so again what on earth are you trying to solve? The GOP controlled both houses for 6 years without as proper solution; that's a fact. The borders are more secure now than 8 years ago; fact.
People who distort reality like you have to be slammed hard; you understand nothing else.
His statements are racist, sexist, that's also a fact. I'm not going stand around while someone so dangerous utter pure garbage all day long. Everything else is blah blah blah, he's different and talks the truth (sic).... blah blah blah.
Your name tells much how much I should respect you and telling me I'm calling name while Trump craps on everyone's head day and night is pretty choice.,
You're ignored from now on, do the same to me. I don't want to hear from Mussolini like apologists.
Your facts are pretty slippery. The Republicans took the House in 2010. The Democrats retained the Senate until the most recent mid-term election. So Democrats had the Senate under their control for 6 years of the Obama presidency. So your "facts" are very wrong.
His statements are racist and sexist to people who define the terms so broadly as to be meaningless. By the same definitions Hillary Clinton is equally racist and sexist is is President "Typical White Person" Obama . We know Bill Clinton is sexist on top of being a serial harasser and possible rapist.
Clinton said. "I do think there is something in the governing or organizing approach. I just think women in general are better listeners, are more collegial, more open to new ideas and how to make things work in a way that looks for win-win outcomes."
Did you understand that? Women are better because they are women. Men are inferior because they are men. That's straight up sexism.
As for handles and what they tell you about a person, Foggy does indeed suit you perfectly.
If Tesla can do it, Apple can do it. It's that simple. The Forbes article is right on ! If they need Trump to convince them of it - so be it.
They can do it for cars (volumes are much much smaller than for phones), those plants will be highly automated and have not that much labor, but not for the Iphones and Ipads. The US also has a big car industry and the supporting part manufacturers (they are a key component); this isn't the case for consumer electronics.
As much as I dislike Trump, none of the other candidates are any better. There are only bad choices. I predict that whomever wins this election will serve no more than one term, maybe less.
How many paid shills do we have here, anyway? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH
I laugh because the alternative to the knowledge that people still fucking believe that socialism and communism are different is terrified screaming. Okay. How about... the shareholders themselves, who have shown they are willing to risk profits for such things as energy self-sufficiency? Why wouldn’t they, who are (someone tell me the actual breakdown, please) mostly Americans, want to ensure the employment of other Americans?That’s the thing about changes; they can change back. ‘Course not! And it’d be mostly machines here, anyway. Instead of warehouses of unskilled laborers, warehouses of machines coded, repaired, and manufactured (design) by laborers. But it WILL return.
do yourself a favor a go travel abroad. Europe, Sweden, Denmark...lovely places. then tell them you think they're communist states. enjoy the laughter.
Europe is not a state... just sayin'
Half of Europe was communist until 25 years ago.. and go look up the names of their republics... they were almost all calling themselves "socialist" and everything was nationalized.
Hungary: This was followed in 1968 by the New Economic Mechanism (NEM), which introduced free-market elements into Socialist command economy. From the 1960s through the late 1980s, Hungary was often referred to as "the happiest barrack" within the Eastern bloc
Poland: Postwar communist Poland. A shock therapy programme, initiated by Leszek Balcerowicz in the early 1990s enabled the country to transform its socialist-style planned economy into a market economy.
list goes on and on and on...
but the point of this discussion is how USA production of Apple products can be achieved, and this is to be done through fair trade vs stupid free trade (where China is ok to put tarrifs of 45% on cars but US doesn't slap any tarrifs on electronics)
Again, immigration is net outward flow, so again what on earth are you trying to solve? The GOP controlled both houses for 6 years without as proper solution; that's a fact. The borders are more secure now than 8 years ago; fact.
People who distort reality like you have to be slammed hard; you understand nothing else.
His statements are racist, sexist, that's also a fact. I'm not going stand around while someone so dangerous utter pure garbage all day long. Everything else is blah blah blah, he's different and talks the truth (sic).... blah blah blah.
Your name tells much how much I should respect you and telling me I'm calling name while Trump craps on everyone's head day and night is pretty choice.,
You're ignored from now on, do the same to me. I don't want to hear from Mussolini like apologists.
Your facts are pretty slippery. The Republicans took the House in 2010. The Democrats retained the Senate until the most recent mid-term election. So Democrats had the Senate under their control for 6 years of the Obama presidency. So your "facts" are very wrong.
His statements are racist and sexist to people who define the terms so broadly as to be meaningless. By the same definitions Hillary Clinton is equally racist and sexist is is President "Typical White Person" Obama . We know Bill Clinton is sexist on top of being a serial harasser and possible rapist.
Clinton said. "I do think there is something in the governing or organizing approach. I just think women in general are better listeners, are more collegial, more open to new ideas and how to make things work in a way that looks for win-win outcomes."
Did you understand that? Women are better because they are women. Men are inferior because they are men. That's straight up sexism.
As for handles and what they tell you about a person, Foggy does indeed suit you perfectly.
You are totally off the discussion here ! You also want to mind your words very carefully when you address us !
Oh boy, are many people going to be in for a shock when and if the Donald wins.
I don't have to agree with him on every single issue or every word that comes out of his mouth, but I do agree with him on most issues. I am definitely voting for the man.
foggyhill said: His statements are racist, sexist, that's also a fact.
lol
...dangerous...
To globalists, yes. To Americans, americanism, and our foundational tenants, no.
Your name tells much how much I should respect you...
That’s an ad-hom, user whose perception of the world is clouded by fog and therefore not to be taken as a true representation of reality.
EDIT: I’m getting sick of the site breaking its own emoticons when you edit a post. Why not just let us use the full range of the standard Unicode emoji characters?
Mussolini-like apologists.
I don’t recall Mussolini being much of an apologist, but I also wasn’t alive when he was. He made my trains run on time, though.
do yourself a favor a go travel abroad. Europe, Sweden, Denmark...lovely places. then tell them you think they’re communist states. enjoy the laughter.
See, that’s neither a reply nor a rebuttal. There are certainly communist practices in those countries. The EU seeks to create a communist federalized government across the continent.
I did. Have a rebuttal or don’t bother replying. If I screwed up the formatting AGAIN, let me know. In fact, I just went back and checked line for line myself. I quoted exactly what you said.
I'm reporting this post.
Good for you. I guess when you have no refutation you just want the truth censored.
Bernie Sanders believes that the top priority of any trade deal should be to help American workers. Unfortunately, as Bernie has warned year after year, American trade policy over the last 30 years has done just the opposite. Multinational corporations- who have helped to write most of these trade deals--have benefited greatly while millions of American jobs have been shipped overseas. American trade policy should place the needs of American workers and small businesses first. Since 2001 we have lost more than 60,000 factories in this country, and more than 4.9 million decent-paying manufacturing jobs. We must end our disastrous trade policies (NAFTA, CAFTA, PNTR with China, etc.) which enable corporate America to shut down plants in this country and move to China and other low-wage countries. We need to end the race to the bottom and develop trade policies which demand that American corporations create jobs here, and not abroad. [We should also] sign the petition to stop the Trans-Pacific Partnership--another trade deal disaster.
I have Chinese friends who couldn't bring their fancy BMWs and Audis in China as they impose a 45% tarrif on cars brought in. If Trump put a 45 % retaliatory tarrif on iPhones brought into USA, this would force Apple to forego their 40% margin and take a more acceptable 20% margin and build their phones in the USA. I understand the implication would be more expensive phones, but perhaps in the long term it would energize US industry and save big on shipping costs. Also it would mean less technology leaks to Chinese knock-off companies.
Ain't happening. American corps would never allow their money train to be stopped.
The US also has a big car industry and the supporting part manufacturers (they are a key component); this isn't the case for consumer electronics.
It is not really about the Asia parts sourcing or cheap labor. It is about speed. A single Foxconn production line can produce 10K iPhones a day and within a week or two, they can switch over to a completely new design because human assemblers are really adaptive, where as reprogramming robots is very tedious and time consuming. US factories would be unlikely to keep up that pace. With a fully automated production line the US might be competitive on price and maybe even speed, eventually, but what is the point if it doesn't create any US jobs?
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Trump has the good ideas, let's see if he can make it happen.
And there's your problem. No US CEO, especially Tim Cook, would risk high margins and profits for shareholders (and essentially financial rewards for themselves) just to say that they're making computers in the USA. Not going to happen.
The writer fails to realize that the so-called glory days were more than 25 years ago. Too much has changed and China (and other developing nations) have too much invested in keeping manufacturing in their tight grip. The super cheap labor cannot be replaced overnight. By the time efficient, cost effective automation is available on such a massive skill, it'll be available in China, etc.. at a much cheaper rate.
Obama promised comprehensive immigration reform. We can't argue the particulars because he ignored it. However of the big things he promised, he said he would secure the border, and crack down on employers who hire illegal immigrants.
As for why it is broken, he promised he would act on it in a timeframe when he had no obstruction possibilities. He had a Democratic House and Senate. He acted on Health Care during the same time. He didn't pass it because he doesn't want it. I suppose per your reasoning Obama is "tanking the economy" right now as well because I can assure you it will be in near recession by the next election.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH
I laugh because the alternative to the knowledge that people still fucking believe that socialism and communism are different is terrified screaming.
Okay. How about... the shareholders themselves, who have shown they are willing to risk profits for such things as energy self-sufficiency? Why wouldn’t they, who are (someone tell me the actual breakdown, please) mostly Americans, want to ensure the employment of other Americans?That’s the thing about changes; they can change back.
‘Course not! And it’d be mostly machines here, anyway. Instead of warehouses of unskilled laborers, warehouses of machines coded, repaired, and manufactured (design) by laborers. But it WILL return.
The GOP controlled both houses for 6 years without as proper solution; that's a fact.
The borders are more secure now than 8 years ago; fact.
People who distort reality like you have to be slammed hard; you understand nothing else.
His statements are racist, sexist, that's also a fact.
I'm not going stand around while someone so dangerous utter pure garbage all day long.
Everything else is blah blah blah, he's different and talks the truth (sic).... blah blah blah.
Your name tells much how much I should respect you and telling me I'm calling name while Trump craps on everyone's head day and night is pretty choice.,
Quote my actual words or don't repond;. Got that buddy.
I don't want to read this kind low life, low character response again.
I'm reporting this post.
If they need Trump to convince them of it - so be it.
His statements are racist and sexist to people who define the terms so broadly as to be meaningless. By the same definitions Hillary Clinton is equally racist and sexist is is President "Typical White Person" Obama . We know Bill Clinton is sexist on top of being a serial harasser and possible rapist.
Here is an example of Hillary Clinton's sexism.
Clinton said. "I do think there is something in the governing or organizing approach. I just think women in general are better listeners, are more collegial, more open to new ideas and how to make things work in a way that looks for win-win outcomes."
Did you understand that? Women are better because they are women. Men are inferior because they are men. That's straight up sexism.
As for handles and what they tell you about a person, Foggy does indeed suit you perfectly.
Half of Europe was communist until 25 years ago.. and go look up the names of their republics... they were almost all calling themselves "socialist" and everything was nationalized.
For example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakia
"1948–1989: The country became a communist state with a centrally planned economy. In 1960, the country officially became a socialist republic."
Hungary: This was followed in 1968 by the New Economic Mechanism (NEM), which introduced free-market elements into Socialist command economy. From the 1960s through the late 1980s, Hungary was often referred to as "the happiest barrack" within the Eastern bloc
Poland: Postwar communist Poland. A shock therapy programme, initiated by Leszek Balcerowicz in the early 1990s enabled the country to transform its socialist-style planned economy into a market economy.
list goes on and on and on...
but the point of this discussion is how USA production of Apple products can be achieved, and this is to be done through fair trade vs stupid free trade (where China is ok to put tarrifs of 45% on cars but US doesn't slap any tarrifs on electronics)
That’s an ad-hom, user whose perception of the world is clouded by fog and therefore not to be taken as a true representation of reality.
EDIT: I’m getting sick of the site breaking its own emoticons when you edit a post. Why not just let us use the full range of the standard Unicode emoji characters?
I don’t recall Mussolini being much of an apologist, but I also wasn’t alive when he was. He made my trains run on time, though.
nolamacguy said: See, that’s neither a reply nor a rebuttal. There are certainly communist practices in those countries. The EU seeks to create a communist federalized government across the continent.
Socialism is communism.
foggyhill said: I did. Have a rebuttal or don’t bother replying. If I screwed up the formatting AGAIN, let me know. In fact, I just went back and checked line for line myself. I quoted exactly what you said.
Good for you. I guess when you have no refutation you just want the truth censored.
Maybe it sounds better when Bernie utters it instead. Obviously Bernie is unhinged, reckless and an idiot.