<strong>I am curious, what are the exact dates? It seems as if everyone knows but me lol. (I am about 4-5 months new to the Mac world, so don't blame me TOO much lol) And, where can I find this out in the future. Thanks.</strong><hr></blockquote>
According to the "Macworld Tokyo 2002" website 21-23 March 2002 are the dates.
Though in Japanese, the Apple Store Japan yields quite a few clues about future directions, but I fear we are not going very far this month. Apple Japan recently dropped their offer of the new white keyboard and mouse with new iBook and PowerBook purchases
Actually a little frustrating for those who might simply have liked to buy one. They actually are fun with the new iMac.
I fear mostly software updates, catching up with the X craze. Microsoft Office X is out, which i s actually pretty frustrating for me since I am running Japanese Office 2001 on my Japanese iBook 500 since I cannot go to X without making my next trip to Japan to upgrade and was unsure whether I wanted to migrate and run the risk of having no software in Japanese... Photoshop, Illustrator, EndNote to Go, Shôgi, etc. able to run under the new system at appropriate speeds. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
It does not seem possible to use and English install on the system over a Japanese hardware mac, which in my experience is a new wrinkle in apple features.
i've been upgrading into Japanesesince 1985 and this is one of the few times I cannot go the other way while in the US!
The PB and iBook will almost certianly get an update...there have been no whole-line updates since october, almost exactly 5 months before. Apple plans this stuff out, and they wanted it to be so they could show off the updated portables to the Japanese crowd first. Why wouldn't they? PB sales are lagging and the 14 inch isnt catching on much. They have to do something and the procs, graphics chips, and hds are there to do it with. I bet any of you an iPod it will happen.
<strong>The PB and iBook will almost certianly get an update...there have been no whole-line updates since october, almost exactly 5 months before. Apple plans this stuff out, and they wanted it to be so they could show off the updated portables to the Japanese crowd first. Why wouldn't they? PB sales are lagging and the 14 inch isnt catching on much. They have to do something and the procs, graphics chips, and hds are there to do it with. I bet any of you an iPod it will happen.</strong><hr></blockquote>
what can't you understand? no new hardware updates anything at tokyo.
what can't you understand? no new hardware updates anything at tokyo.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Show me your proof and I will concede. Until then, shut it. And if you are refering to Apple's press release I want to see it, not take your word for it.
I fear mostly software updates, catching up with the X craze. Microsoft Office X is out, which i s actually pretty frustrating for me since I am running Japanese Office 2001 on my Japanese iBook 500 since I cannot go to X without making my next trip to Japan to upgrade and was unsure whether I wanted to migrate and run the risk of having no software in Japanese... Photoshop, Illustrator, EndNote to Go, Shôgi, etc. able to run under the new system at appropriate speeds. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
It does not seem possible to use and English install on the system over a Japanese hardware mac, which in my experience is a new wrinkle in apple features.
i've been upgrading into Japanesesince 1985 and this is one of the few times I cannot go the other way while in the US!</strong><hr></blockquote>
There should be no trouble installing any version Mac OS on any Mac as long as the OS was released after the machine was released. That last caveat is usually the one that trips people up.
I bought a QS 867 here in Japan from Yodobashi and a couple months later I installed English OS 9.2 over the factory installed Japanese OS 9.1. We just did the same thing for my brother's iBook 600 which he bought here (refurbished from Sofmap).
OS X is universal. One disk installs any of the available languages. When you buy OS X in a given country you also get a localized version of OS 9. If you look around you should be able to find a shop in NY that could get you this (for a price). Around SF there are one or two stores that cater to Japanese users so I imagine there should be some in NY.
Show me your proof and I will concede. Until then, shut it. And if you are refering to Apple's press release I want to see it, not take your word for it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I proved it to you in the other thread and you just ignored it (what a surprise)
key quotes:
[quote]
"We're not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo, as a matter of fact, we're set for some months now," said Joswiak. "Having just updated all four product quadrants, it's really nonsensical to think we're about to update the quadrants again at Macworld Tokyo."
<hr></blockquote>
uh... anyone who can read can CLEARLY decipher that he is talking about CPUs as in the computer itself, NOT just the damn processor design <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
and just to clarify it further for you:
[quote]
While the year started off with a flurry of product announcements, the upcoming Expo in Tokyo will see no new hardware; in fact, the company will not be updating its line of computer products for the coming months, according to Apple's senior director of Hardware Product Marketing Greg Joswiak. Joswiak recently spoke to MacCentral at Apple's Cupertino headquarters.
I'm thinking this is just a publicity stunt to boost PBG4 sales and debunk G5 rumors...and if you look at the quote from Joswiak himself he said quadrants, not quadrant. He said CPU, not machine or computer. He also said "We're not planning...", how many times has Jobs done last minute changes? Let's see, everything? What this guy said basically means nothing...if Apple issued a press release stating "No new COMPUTERS at MWTK" that would be proof. And if Apple does introduce new PBG4s/iBooks at MWTK do you think many will complain that this guy *supposedly* said no new ones? Even if he didn't really?
<strong>I'm thinking this is just a publicity stunt to boost PBG4 sales and debunk G5 rumors...and if you look at the quote from Joswiak himself he said quadrants, not quadrant. He said CPU, not machine or computer. He also said "We're not planning...", how many times has Jobs done last minute changes? Let's see, everything? What this guy said basically means nothing...if Apple issued a press release stating "No new COMPUTERS at MWTK" that would be proof. And if Apple does introduce new PBG4s/iBooks at MWTK do you think many will complain that this guy *supposedly* said no new ones? Even if he didn't really?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah. I guess it depends on what the definition of "is" is.
Yeah. I guess it depends on what the definition of "is" is.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly. Word manipulation people. You have to see it from all the possible angles, not choose one and defend it to the death. It can go any way His Steveness wants it to.
[EDIT: Me flunk English? That's Unpossible! (I can't spell, type, or punctuate.)]
Apple has said (not unequivocally, but explicitly nonetheless) that there will be no new machines at MWTY. You can twist the words all you like, but the meaning does not change. I, for one, believe them. If they were releasing machines, they would have simply kept their mouths shut.
As long as we're twisting words, reading in between the lines.
"We're not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo"
-On Motorola's web site they list a 1.1GHz cpu, therefore it is not new. The motherboard is not the cpu, hense we get a new DDR front side bus. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
"nonsensical to think we're about to update the quadrants"
-Updating the motherboard isn't really updating a quadrant it's updating the motherboard. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
" the upcoming Expo in Tokyo will see no new hardware"
-This is easy, Apple doesn't sell hardware, you go to Home Depot or Lowe's to buy hardware. :eek:
"according to Apple's senior director of Hardware Product Marketing Greg Joswiak"
I didn't know Apple competed with Home Depot <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
There should be no trouble installing any version Mac OS on any Mac as long as the OS was released after the machine was released. That last caveat is usually the one that trips people up.
I bought a QS 867 here in Japan from Yodobashi and a couple months later I installed English OS 9.2 over the factory installed Japanese OS 9.1. We just did the same thing for my brother's iBook 600 which he bought here (refurbished from Sofmap).
OS X is universal. One disk installs any of the available languages. When you buy OS X in a given country you also get a localized version of OS 9. If you look around you should be able to find a shop in NY that could get you this (for a price). Around SF there are one or two stores that cater to Japanese users so I imagine there should be some in NY.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe I'll just bring mine along this May and ask you to help me sort it out in Yokohama. If you are right, I'll be a happy camper, since I use the iBook and my PowerBook G3 pismo all the time, the one in Japanese, one in English and I sure would like to consider bringing them both up to OS X. Maybe I should start a thread on current software about Japanese!
If there is no update at Tokyo, nor new software release, then it will be better to abort tokyo.
If there is no update of hardware for tibooks or ibook, i know many PC troll who are goint to : <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> until death
Exactly. Word manipulation people. You have to see it from all the possible angles, not choose one and defend it to the death. It can go any way His Steveness wants it to.
[EDIT: Me flunk English? That's Unpossible! (I can't spell, type, or punctuate.)]
are you braindead? What is with you people. Apple comes out as blatantly as possible and says no new hardware, no updates, no new CPUs, no changes to the quadrants and you all pick apart every word and say it means something else.
you have problems. it's very sad. I remmeber assholes doing this for Paris when Apple did the exact same thing. guess what? nothing.
get over it already and stop looking like a fool.
It would also bring up some interesting illegal practice charges against Apple for misleading investors. Yea, but I'm sure SJ doesn't care about that. he just wants to surprise us
"We're not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo, as a matter of fact, we're set for some months now," said Joswiak. "Having just updated all four product quadrants, it's really nonsensical to think we're about to update the quadrants again at Macworld Tokyo."
<hr></blockquote>
This is pathetic, Apple!
I can understand that Apple is not going to update their desktop lines anytime soon, since they were revised at MWSF, but the laptops were NOT updated at MWSF! Ok, Apple added a new iBook model...that is not an update. And the Titanium got a combo drive in December, again, that is not a revision, in fact it took ZERO R&D to add the combo drive, all Apple had to do was fill the assembly line bins with combo drives in place of DVD-rom drives.
If Apple waits until MWNY to update the laptop lines, then they will see sales spiral downward accordingly.
Here's what I think Apple SHOULD do, but of course they are not going to do it:
Titanium:
133 MHz bus across the lineup.
733 MHz and 866 Mhz G4s.
New higher resolution display (same size however).
New Nvidia mobile GPU chipset that rocks.
5400 rpm HDs across the line.
iBook:
133 MHz bus.
Faster G3s.
Bump the HDs to 5400 rpm.
Bump the RAM.
New GPUs.
Colors!
LOWER PRICES.
And yes, Apple should update their displays:
15" LCD: discontinue it. It's too damn small for an external display, when you consider that Powermac owners are going to be using it.
Size Price Price w/Powermac
17" LCD: $600. $500
19" LCD: $1000 $850
24" LCD: $2000 $1700
Even these prices are too high, but that's the nature of LCD displays, and of course Apple is going to be a margin bitch about it.
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<strong>I am curious, what are the exact dates? It seems as if everyone knows but me lol. (I am about 4-5 months new to the Mac world, so don't blame me TOO much lol) And, where can I find this out in the future. Thanks.</strong><hr></blockquote>
According to the "Macworld Tokyo 2002" website 21-23 March 2002 are the dates.
<a href="http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/macworld2002/"; target="_blank">http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/macworld2002/</a>;
Though in Japanese, the Apple Store Japan yields quite a few clues about future directions, but I fear we are not going very far this month. Apple Japan recently dropped their offer of the new white keyboard and mouse with new iBook and PowerBook purchases
Actually a little frustrating for those who might simply have liked to buy one. They actually are fun with the new iMac.
I fear mostly software updates, catching up with the X craze. Microsoft Office X is out, which i s actually pretty frustrating for me since I am running Japanese Office 2001 on my Japanese iBook 500 since I cannot go to X without making my next trip to Japan to upgrade and was unsure whether I wanted to migrate and run the risk of having no software in Japanese... Photoshop, Illustrator, EndNote to Go, Shôgi, etc. able to run under the new system at appropriate speeds. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
It does not seem possible to use and English install on the system over a Japanese hardware mac, which in my experience is a new wrinkle in apple features.
i've been upgrading into Japanesesince 1985 and this is one of the few times I cannot go the other way while in the US!
<strong>The PB and iBook will almost certianly get an update...there have been no whole-line updates since october, almost exactly 5 months before. Apple plans this stuff out, and they wanted it to be so they could show off the updated portables to the Japanese crowd first. Why wouldn't they? PB sales are lagging and the 14 inch isnt catching on much. They have to do something and the procs, graphics chips, and hds are there to do it with. I bet any of you an iPod it will happen.</strong><hr></blockquote>
what can't you understand? no new hardware updates anything at tokyo.
<strong>
what can't you understand? no new hardware updates anything at tokyo.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Show me your proof and I will concede. Until then, shut it. And if you are refering to Apple's press release I want to see it, not take your word for it.
<strong>...
I fear mostly software updates, catching up with the X craze. Microsoft Office X is out, which i s actually pretty frustrating for me since I am running Japanese Office 2001 on my Japanese iBook 500 since I cannot go to X without making my next trip to Japan to upgrade and was unsure whether I wanted to migrate and run the risk of having no software in Japanese... Photoshop, Illustrator, EndNote to Go, Shôgi, etc. able to run under the new system at appropriate speeds. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
It does not seem possible to use and English install on the system over a Japanese hardware mac, which in my experience is a new wrinkle in apple features.
i've been upgrading into Japanesesince 1985 and this is one of the few times I cannot go the other way while in the US!</strong><hr></blockquote>
There should be no trouble installing any version Mac OS on any Mac as long as the OS was released after the machine was released. That last caveat is usually the one that trips people up.
I bought a QS 867 here in Japan from Yodobashi and a couple months later I installed English OS 9.2 over the factory installed Japanese OS 9.1. We just did the same thing for my brother's iBook 600 which he bought here (refurbished from Sofmap).
OS X is universal. One disk installs any of the available languages. When you buy OS X in a given country you also get a localized version of OS 9. If you look around you should be able to find a shop in NY that could get you this (for a price). Around SF there are one or two stores that cater to Japanese users so I imagine there should be some in NY.
Hopefully restylized or colorized iBooks or TiBooks, but I bet it will all be about software and hopefully QT6 shipping dates.
Software...iApp...software...
<strong>
Show me your proof and I will concede. Until then, shut it. And if you are refering to Apple's press release I want to see it, not take your word for it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I proved it to you in the other thread and you just ignored it (what a surprise)
key quotes:
[quote]
"We're not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo, as a matter of fact, we're set for some months now," said Joswiak. "Having just updated all four product quadrants, it's really nonsensical to think we're about to update the quadrants again at Macworld Tokyo."
<hr></blockquote>
uh... anyone who can read can CLEARLY decipher that he is talking about CPUs as in the computer itself, NOT just the damn processor design <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
and just to clarify it further for you:
[quote]
While the year started off with a flurry of product announcements, the upcoming Expo in Tokyo will see no new hardware; in fact, the company will not be updating its line of computer products for the coming months, according to Apple's senior director of Hardware Product Marketing Greg Joswiak. Joswiak recently spoke to MacCentral at Apple's Cupertino headquarters.
<hr></blockquote>
not that difficult.
link:
<a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0202/11.applehardware.php"; target="_blank">http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0202/11.applehardware.php</a>;
[ 03-03-2002: Message edited by: applenut ]</p>
<strong>I'm thinking this is just a publicity stunt to boost PBG4 sales and debunk G5 rumors...and if you look at the quote from Joswiak himself he said quadrants, not quadrant. He said CPU, not machine or computer. He also said "We're not planning...", how many times has Jobs done last minute changes? Let's see, everything? What this guy said basically means nothing...if Apple issued a press release stating "No new COMPUTERS at MWTK" that would be proof. And if Apple does introduce new PBG4s/iBooks at MWTK do you think many will complain that this guy *supposedly* said no new ones? Even if he didn't really?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah. I guess it depends on what the definition of "is" is.
<strong>
Yeah. I guess it depends on what the definition of "is" is.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Exactly. Word manipulation people. You have to see it from all the possible angles, not choose one and defend it to the death. It can go any way His Steveness wants it to.
[EDIT: Me flunk English? That's Unpossible! (I can't spell, type, or punctuate.)]
[ 03-04-2002: Message edited by: Spart ]</p>
Apple has said (not unequivocally, but explicitly nonetheless) that there will be no new machines at MWTY. You can twist the words all you like, but the meaning does not change. I, for one, believe them. If they were releasing machines, they would have simply kept their mouths shut.
"We're not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo"
-On Motorola's web site they list a 1.1GHz cpu, therefore it is not new. The motherboard is not the cpu, hense we get a new DDR front side bus. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
"nonsensical to think we're about to update the quadrants"
-Updating the motherboard isn't really updating a quadrant it's updating the motherboard. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
" the upcoming Expo in Tokyo will see no new hardware"
-This is easy, Apple doesn't sell hardware, you go to Home Depot or Lowe's to buy hardware. :eek:
"according to Apple's senior director of Hardware Product Marketing Greg Joswiak"
I didn't know Apple competed with Home Depot <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
<strong>
There should be no trouble installing any version Mac OS on any Mac as long as the OS was released after the machine was released. That last caveat is usually the one that trips people up.
I bought a QS 867 here in Japan from Yodobashi and a couple months later I installed English OS 9.2 over the factory installed Japanese OS 9.1. We just did the same thing for my brother's iBook 600 which he bought here (refurbished from Sofmap).
OS X is universal. One disk installs any of the available languages. When you buy OS X in a given country you also get a localized version of OS 9. If you look around you should be able to find a shop in NY that could get you this (for a price). Around SF there are one or two stores that cater to Japanese users so I imagine there should be some in NY.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Maybe I'll just bring mine along this May and ask you to help me sort it out in Yokohama. If you are right, I'll be a happy camper, since I use the iBook and my PowerBook G3 pismo all the time, the one in Japanese, one in English and I sure would like to consider bringing them both up to OS X. Maybe I should start a thread on current software about Japanese!
If there is no update of hardware for tibooks or ibook, i know many PC troll who are goint to : <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> until death
<strong>
Exactly. Word manipulation people. You have to see it from all the possible angles, not choose one and defend it to the death. It can go any way His Steveness wants it to.
[EDIT: Me flunk English? That's Unpossible! (I can't spell, type, or punctuate.)]
[ 03-04-2002: Message edited by: Spart ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
are you braindead? What is with you people. Apple comes out as blatantly as possible and says no new hardware, no updates, no new CPUs, no changes to the quadrants and you all pick apart every word and say it means something else.
you have problems. it's very sad. I remmeber assholes doing this for Paris when Apple did the exact same thing. guess what? nothing.
get over it already and stop looking like a fool.
It would also bring up some interesting illegal practice charges against Apple for misleading investors. Yea, but I'm sure SJ doesn't care about that. he just wants to surprise us
"We're not planning to introduce any new CPUs at Macworld Tokyo, as a matter of fact, we're set for some months now," said Joswiak. "Having just updated all four product quadrants, it's really nonsensical to think we're about to update the quadrants again at Macworld Tokyo."
<hr></blockquote>
This is pathetic, Apple!
I can understand that Apple is not going to update their desktop lines anytime soon, since they were revised at MWSF, but the laptops were NOT updated at MWSF! Ok, Apple added a new iBook model...that is not an update. And the Titanium got a combo drive in December, again, that is not a revision, in fact it took ZERO R&D to add the combo drive, all Apple had to do was fill the assembly line bins with combo drives in place of DVD-rom drives.
If Apple waits until MWNY to update the laptop lines, then they will see sales spiral downward accordingly.
Here's what I think Apple SHOULD do, but of course they are not going to do it:
Titanium:
133 MHz bus across the lineup.
733 MHz and 866 Mhz G4s.
New higher resolution display (same size however).
New Nvidia mobile GPU chipset that rocks.
5400 rpm HDs across the line.
iBook:
133 MHz bus.
Faster G3s.
Bump the HDs to 5400 rpm.
Bump the RAM.
New GPUs.
Colors!
LOWER PRICES.
And yes, Apple should update their displays:
15" LCD: discontinue it. It's too damn small for an external display, when you consider that Powermac owners are going to be using it.
Size Price Price w/Powermac
17" LCD: $600. $500
19" LCD: $1000 $850
24" LCD: $2000 $1700
Even these prices are too high, but that's the nature of LCD displays, and of course Apple is going to be a margin bitch about it.
<strong>of 2003.</strong><hr></blockquote>
no. july 2002 :-)