Formal those apple supporters answer this.
Would you continue to allow all terrorists, organized criminals, hitmen, and drug dealers to do business with absolute certainty, that because they are using apple products that they cannot be detected regardless what attempts are legally made by law enforcement through the courts. We are not saying that at whim law enforcement would have to write an order detailing their reasons for invading such privacy, but they would have to take this order to a judge and convince this person who in most cases are elected by the general public and convince this judge of their reasons and if this person agree's then and only then they would get permission.
Stop the fear mongering, your comments are utter exaggeration and no one has even implied any such thing, the government is by the people and for the people. If you don't like the government then you have every right to attempt to change it, but suggesting the above is absolutely ridiculous.
Where do terrorists come from? Who are they, actually? When did 'terrorism' begin? Just look up the string of US-led Middle Eastern military activities, and it's clear there's a direct relationship with a clear slight delay between deaths there, then western targeted 'terrorist' activities. The FBI is not your friend, and they care less about any citizen's freedom than about gaining resources and removing actual threats to their positions and to those who pay them.
A prime example is over two thousand murdered by French air strikes, but less than two hundred murdered in Paris a few weeks later, for recent history.
The he only real flaw in your logic that I can see is that you have over-simplified the technological issues involved, which are also directly related to a swathe of Amendments.
That extreme idiot figure-heading for the FBI just gave the game away - that iOS is unbreakable. He deliberately put a stigma on not just Apple, but every person who believes in the US constitution and its amendments. The social and political ramifications for his actions are international.
Bush was chosen by the people, for the people, you believe? Giving 3b$ to the banks was the right thing to do? Any system run by people is open to human failings. 'Tis why all of us everywhere must stand resolute, and call a falsehood when we see it, and to switch off the TV and conduct our own research!
Just a little bit of your freedom at a time. It happens so slowly you don't even know it's happening, or don't care. Then after 20-30 years you realize how free you used to be.
Formal those apple supporters answer this.
Would you continue to allow all terrorists, organized criminals, hitmen, and drug dealers to do business with absolute certainty, that because they are using apple products that they cannot be detected regardless what attempts are legally made by law enforcement through the courts. We are not saying that at whim law enforcement would have to write an order detailing their reasons for invading such privacy, but they would have to take this order to a judge and convince this person who in most cases are elected by the general public and convince this judge of their reasons and if this person agree's then and only then they would get permission.
Stop the fear mongering, your comments are utter exaggeration and no one has even implied any such thing, the government is by the people and for the people. If you don't like the government then you have every right to attempt to change it, but suggesting the above is absolutely ridiculous.
"We are not saying . . ." — so who's "we"? Who are you working for, in other words?
Tim Cook basically said in the ABC interview that Apple would follow the law if they lose.
Sort of off topic but speaking of the interview. Go back and watch it again. What is going on with the logo on the iMac on the desk. Interesting!
It's a funny story to imagine but they're requesting this to set a precedent they care little about this individual phone and case. If Apple brick it, big whoop as far as Govt is concerned, "Here's another phone from a different investigation to try... and another, and another..." until it works.
Tim Cook basically said in the ABC interview that Apple would follow the law if they lose.
And if they do lose and Apple does bend over to the FBI there will be a "revolution" by the people, for the people to overthrow the FBI and all those in Wadhington who have forgotten who they are required by law to represent. This will be an electronic revolution like the one in Hackers. With the backdoor the FBI is demanding it will be easy to attack FBI mobile devices to get to their servers.
Can I bring up a saying from my time? Power to the people.
What if Apple wrote something that "accidentally" wiped the phone? I mean how many times do we go through betas when we're testing software? 7, 8, 9? Sometimes even the fix for beta 5 breaks something that was working fine in betas 1 - 4. It happens all the time. So will Apple be responsible for accidentally wiping it too?
i mean shit happens right? <GRIN>
Does not matter.
As long as Apple agrees to help the FBI hack into the phone it would set precedent. The courts than could legally force Apple to help hack into the thousands of other phones that law enforcement and the FBI want a backdoor to.
This is not about 1 phone. This is about setting a legal precedent that Apple would need to write back doors to hack into any phone that the courts say they need to. It could be a terrorist case, it could be a divorce case. It won't matter because legal precedent has been set.
That's why its so important that this goes to congress or the supreme court. We can't allow a small time judge who does not understand the technological armegeddon she authorized to become law.
I understand it would set a precedent I'm just saying if you take a device to Best Buy and they screw it up your most likely not going to take it back to Best Buy. I understand the legal aspects I wasn't arguing that. I am so behind apple on this I would take a bullet for them literally. I was referring to, let's say they loose to the Supreme Court (let's just pretend here for a moment)... So if they're "hack" wipes out the phone... so now will they be held responsible too?? I can hear all the pundits now "they did that on purpose!!!"
Formal those apple supporters answer this.
Would you continue to allow all terrorists, organized criminals, hitmen, and drug dealers to do business with absolute certainty, that because they are using apple products that they cannot be detected regardless what attempts are legally made by law enforcement through the courts. We are not saying that at whim law enforcement would have to write an order detailing their reasons for invading such privacy, but they would have to take this order to a judge and convince this person who in most cases are elected by the general public and convince this judge of their reasons and if this person agree's then and only then they would get permission.
Stop the fear mongering, your comments are utter exaggeration and no one has even implied any such thing, the government is by the people and for the people. If you don't like the government then you have every right to attempt to change it, but suggesting the above is absolutely ridiculous.
The FBI and other law enforcement forces have complete history about who phoned who, email, iCloud backups, contacts, DNA, human intelligence, wiretaps, and more. But without the ability to eviscerate the security of iPhones so they can look inside, the FBI will never catch another bad guy.
For all those who support the FBI answer this question:
Would you allow the USA government to put a tracking device on the wrist of every single person on USA soil?
The device would have to be worn 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. The device would be locked on your wrist and almost impossible to take off by a regular citizen. If you take it off you can be sent to jail. It would track everywhere you go, everyone you speak to, and even record conversations. But such a device would decrease crime and probably would have stopped this recent terrorist attack in California. We should do everything to stop terrorism right? Even if it means giving up some liberty and privacy?
So, all of you fellas that are thinking about this and agreeing with the FBI, isnt this fairly obvious: You will have access to criminal information for a VERY short peroid of time, as the people who you are trying to capture are smart enough to move to a different device. You are then stuck with a device that the FBI has access to, which wont be used to catch terrorists, but rather yourselves. The kind of person you are going to catch is some idiot who doesnt know better past that point, and the phone isnt really needed.
To quote your Benjamin Franklin (I'm Canadian) , "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither", "Make yourselves sheep, and the wolves will eat you."
Formal those apple supporters answer this.
Would you continue to allow all terrorists, organized criminals, hitmen, and drug dealers to do business with absolute certainty, that because they are using apple products that they cannot be detected regardless what attempts are legally made by law enforcement through the courts. We are not saying that at whim law enforcement would have to write an order detailing their reasons for invading such privacy, but they would have to take this order to a judge and convince this person who in most cases are elected by the general public and convince this judge of their reasons and if this person agree's then and only then they would get permission.
Stop the fear mongering, your comments are utter exaggeration and no one has even implied any such thing, the government is by the people and for the people. If you don't like the government then you have every right to attempt to change it, but suggesting the above is absolutely ridiculous.
Yes I do....fuck yeah! Risk of dying by terrorists is 50x less than getting shot by non-terrorist. You eat so much government shit, dude! you fucker don't understand that for a regular case, no one needs a backdoor to extract the data. All you do is to restore the backup from iCloud. If you think putting a tracker on everyone will prevent such terrorism, go back and suck your milky bottle until you grow up enough to understand.
For all those who support the FBI answer this question:
Would you allow the USA government to put a tracking device on the wrist of every single person on USA soil?
The device would have to be worn 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. The device would be locked on your wrist and almost impossible to take off by a regular citizen. If you take it off you can be sent to jail. It would track everywhere you go, everyone you speak to, and even record conversations. But such a device would decrease crime and probably would have stopped this recent terrorist attack in California. We should do everything to stop terrorism right? Even if it means giving up some liberty and privacy?
Isn't that right FBI supporters?
We already carry it in our pockets...it is called a phone.
For all those who support the FBI answer this question:
Would you allow the USA government to put a tracking device on the wrist of every single person on USA soil?
The device would have to be worn 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. The device would be locked on your wrist and almost impossible to take off by a regular citizen. If you take it off you can be sent to jail. It would track everywhere you go, everyone you speak to, and even record conversations. But such a device would decrease crime and probably would have stopped this recent terrorist attack in California. We should do everything to stop terrorism right? Even if it means giving up some liberty and privacy?
Isn't that right FBI supporters?
Nope. You ignore the fact that a court order would be required to do this. Also, putting a tracking capability in a phone is not part of this FBI request, nor is any requirement to where any such tracking device. Sounds like you're engaging in fear mongering.
Other than a laptop (which could change as well by future laws), what other device is prohibited from divulging it's contents upon a court order?
Apple may win this battle but lost the war. Apple's stance may cause Congress to pass a law requiring Apple to disable the requested 10-attempt wipe and go much further.
Maybe Cook should ask for a token development fee of One Trillion US to create the back door - destroying it each time. That would force Congress into appropriation. Then we would see who really supports this wild ass screw of the constituents.
They should charge the government for the development of this and they should destroy it each time. However I doubt that it would cost a trillion dollars to develop. If it does... we really need a Tim Cook as Dr. Evil meme.
Can car manufactures charge the government for implementing emissions and safety requirements as well?
Formal those apple supporters answer this.
Would you continue to allow all terrorists, organized criminals, hitmen, and drug dealers to do business with absolute certainty, that because they are using apple products that they cannot be detected regardless what attempts are legally made by law enforcement through the courts. We are not saying that at whim law enforcement would have to write an order detailing their reasons for invading such privacy, but they would have to take this order to a judge and convince this person who in most cases are elected by the general public and convince this judge of their reasons and if this person agree's then and only then they would get permission.
Stop the fear mongering, your comments are utter exaggeration and no one has even implied any such thing, the government is by the people and for the people. If you don't like the government then you have every right to attempt to change it, but suggesting the above is absolutely ridiculous.
You still don't get it. But yes I would indeed be all for all those people to continue to use Apple devices.. You wouldn't? Apple has complied with every order to produce information they have that they have been given. The government is not trying to conscript Apple into doing it's job for them. You really think that is ok? You have no problem with it at all?
By the way. Your post is the very definition of fear mongering...
Maybe Cook should ask for a token development fee of One Trillion US to create the back door - destroying it each time. That would force Congress into appropriation. Then we would see who really supports this wild ass screw of the constituents.
They should charge the government for the development of this and they should destroy it each time. However I doubt that it would cost a trillion dollars to develop. If it does... we really need a Tim Cook as Dr. Evil meme.
The order stipulates that Apple will be reasonably compensated.
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When did 'terrorism' begin?
Just look up the string of US-led Middle Eastern military activities, and it's clear there's a direct relationship with a clear slight delay between deaths there, then western targeted 'terrorist' activities.
The FBI is not your friend, and they care less about any citizen's freedom than about gaining resources and removing actual threats to their positions and to those who pay them.
A prime example is over two thousand murdered by French air strikes, but less than two hundred murdered in Paris a few weeks later, for recent history.
The he only real flaw in your logic that I can see is that you have over-simplified the technological issues involved, which are also directly related to a swathe of Amendments.
That extreme idiot figure-heading for the FBI just gave the game away - that iOS is unbreakable. He deliberately put a stigma on not just Apple, but every person who believes in the US constitution and its amendments. The social and political ramifications for his actions are international.
Bush was chosen by the people, for the people, you believe? Giving 3b$ to the banks was the right thing to do? Any system run by people is open to human failings. 'Tis why all of us everywhere must stand resolute, and call a falsehood when we see it, and to switch off the TV and conduct our own research!
Can I bring up a saying from my time? Power to the people.
Who is doing the fear mongering now?
To quote your Benjamin Franklin (I'm Canadian) , "He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither", "Make yourselves sheep, and the wolves will eat you."
you fucker don't understand that for a regular case, no one needs a backdoor to extract the data. All you do is to restore the backup from iCloud. If you think putting a tracker on everyone will prevent such terrorism, go back and suck your milky bottle until you grow up enough to understand.
Other than a laptop (which could change as well by future laws), what other device is prohibited from divulging it's contents upon a court order?
Apple may win this battle but lost the war. Apple's stance may cause Congress to pass a law requiring Apple to disable the requested 10-attempt wipe and go much further.
By the way. Your post is the very definition of fear mongering...