Apple CEO Tim Cook attends secret meeting with tech and government elite to plot end to Trump presi

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  • Reply 141 of 180
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    bugsnw said:
    ... This idea that Trump is going to destroy America is odd. And we've heard it before, with Ronald Reagan. WWIII was imminent, according to these elitists, plus he had no background in economics. He turned out to be pretty good. ...
    No he didn't. Do some reading about the long term effects of his policies. Reagan was the beginning of the current problems we have now. Reaganomics... "Trickle-down economics" has proven to be utterly false. It put us firmly on the path of corporatocracy and the 1%. He gutted the government of useful departments, services, and skills so that private industry could bid for those jobs, bidding down to the lowest common denominator and the least quality results. He defended and emptied the state mental hospitals (not great as they were, admittedly), dumping tons of disabled people onto the streets to be homeless and worse. Reagan was also an early example of "crazy conservative republican", with bizarre and unscientific beliefs that influenced his actions.

    etc. 
    cnocbuisingularity
  • Reply 142 of 180
    volcanvolcan Posts: 1,799member
    I consider this article a must read:

    Trump Is the Symptom, Not the Disease


    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/trump-is-the-symptom-not_b_9409098.html

    edited March 2016
  • Reply 143 of 180
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    ota4me said:
    Apple is one of the companies which manufactures overseas to avoid regulation and taxes. A lot of shareholders stand to lose a lot of money is President Trump puts America's interests ahead of Big Business' interests.
    Are for fracking for real, the same fracking Trump who does his manufacturing oversees and has been fined for hiring illegal workers, will do what?

    BTW, Apple pays more taxes than any company in the god damn US and has tens of thousands of very well paid employees in the US who also pay taxes.

    Unless he's forcing Samsung and all the competition to also make products in the US (which is not even close to possible in the next 20 years), the kind of protectionism that led to 20 year of great depression and breaks all international treaties, Trump is crapping out policy as usual.

    You do know that the US also need to sell products oversees.

    Inform yourself or stop talking total nonsense.
    edited March 2016 aaronjsingularity
  • Reply 144 of 180
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    aaronj said:
    And yet her opponent is Trump. Go with the lesser of two evils.
    Well, and a politician being a "liar and utterly untrustworthy" describes pretty much anyone who has run a (relatively) serious campaign at any level of government.  It's nearly a job requirement.  

    I support Hillary and will vote for her.  But I do respect Bernie a great deal, and his ideas are, for the most part, in line with my own.  I also think that he is fairly honest and straight-forward from what I can tell.  I simply don't think he's electable.  And as I said in a post above, the Democratic nomination process is, for all intents and purposes, already finished.  So, I am not going to bother voting in the Democratic primary tomorrow in Michigan.  Hillary has a nearly 20 point lead in most polls, and she already has the nomination wrapped up.  I'll watch some movies. :)

    Or maybe I will go vote in the Republican primary for Kasich.  Heh.  That would be the first GOP primary I ever voted in.  And unless things have changed since last time -- which they may very have -- I am pretty sure we still have an open primary system here in Michigan.  Hmm.  I should check that actually.
    Congratulations! You are the self-fulfilling prophecy!! Voters thinking like you are the number one reason why such candidates are "unelectable".

    I'm not sitting on my butt voting within the binary "options" dictated to me by the duopoly parties that have destroyed the electoral system in the USA. I registered as independent at age 18 (I'm 40 now). I've always voted my conscience, not game theory!! I just recently swallowed my pride to change my affiliation to democrat just to vote in a closed primary. Why? To do my part to help make Sanders electable, rather than subscribe to and promote the party line propaganda of someone being "pretty good but unelectable"!!

    For crying out loud, people, stand up and take action! Especially those of you not voting at all!!
  • Reply 145 of 180
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    aaronj said:
    kent909 said:
    See this is what is wrong with Americans. You admit that your choice for President is not going to be given to you. Oh you can write in a vote for Bernie, but that is not the same as him being the democratic nominee. But you openly admit that watching a some movies is more important than voting. You get the opportunity once every four or eight years to vote for a president. Does anyone one realize that it is the people who give up or just can't be bothered with the process are the ones that keep the process broken. If every person who agrees with Bernie's ideas would get up off their fat assess and vote in the primary, he would be the nominee. If every Democrat votes in the general election than the democrat would take at least 45 states. But they don't because we have more important things to do, like watch movies. We all know that movie days only come around every four or eight years so best not miss that.

    The first Presidential election I was eligible to vote in was 1988.  I voted.  And I haven't missed a general election vote since.  Actually, I haven't missed a midterm election either with the exception of 1994, when I had the flu, a fever of about 102 and spent the whole day vomiting.  So, that's what?  13/14?  And the only one I missed was because I was too sick to leave the house?  I'd say that's a pretty darn good record.

    But party primaries are not the same thing, especially when the nomination process has already been decided.

    Primaries and general elections are two entirely different species.  So don't accuse me of shit until you actually know what you're talking about.
    But the primaries are what determine the candidates. So you're missing the point by a kilometer if you don't vote in primaries. Change your affiliation if required to vote in your state's primary (closed primaries are just another duopoly corruption of the system). 

    Othrrwise you are still contributing to the problem and creating self-fulfilling prophecies of who is or is not electable. 
  • Reply 146 of 180
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    tmay said:
    Urei1620 said:

    Let me guess, you like the witch.
    That's why we can't have nice things in America; people as yourself are so upfront and proud of their misogynist behavior.

    As a tall, white male with long fingers, I'm seeing a whole lot of white privilege in Bernie's ranks and that might be why he hasn't a chance in hell of winning the primary. I'm thinking that you are a better fit with Trump.
    Don't let that guy's misogyny speak for all Sanders supporters. No group is so unified as to not have members with lousy attitudes.
  • Reply 147 of 180
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    dysamoria said:
    tmay said:
    That's why we can't have nice things in America; people as yourself are so upfront and proud of their misogynist behavior.

    As a tall, white male with long fingers, I'm seeing a whole lot of white privilege in Bernie's ranks and that might be why he hasn't a chance in hell of winning the primary. I'm thinking that you are a better fit with Trump.
    Don't let that guy's misogyny speak for all Sanders supporters. No group is so unified as to not have members with lousy attitudes.
    Yet, that's all I hear from Sanders supporters when talking about HRC, mysoginy day and night and they use essentially the GOP talking points, not even their own arguments too! That's why I lump Sanders and Trump using the same populist methods; Sanders obviously not being a flamboyant vulgar narcissist (which is something :-).
  • Reply 148 of 180
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    Urei1620 said:
    I am. Hillary is the greater of evils.

    Agreed. There are no good choices here. I am a Bernie supporter and wish that he come through. However, if it comes down to Hillary and Trump and a gun on my head, I would have to give it to Trump.
    That's an incredibly irrational choice. If you're supporting candidates simply because they're "outsiders" or something, you're missing the point of choosing candidates based on their expressed policies and ideologies. Yeah, Clinton is a corporatist. She's more of the same in the democrat supported plutocratic oligarchy. She is NOT the greater of two evils between the plutocratic oligarchy and the xenophobic, misogynist, nationalist, hate-mongering, narcissistic ignorance of Trump/Drumpf.

    you can still vote for an outsider and a non-duopoly party without voting for a narcissistic nutcase. Check out Jill Stein running for the greens. Even a moderate libertarian would be better than Trump.

     There are always options if you stop letting the corrupt system think for you.
  • Reply 149 of 180
    yojimbo007yojimbo007 Posts: 1,165member
    Update I have it in Very good authority that its not true !
    SpamSandwich
  • Reply 150 of 180
    aaronjaaronj Posts: 1,595member
    dysamoria said:
    aaronj said:

    The first Presidential election I was eligible to vote in was 1988.  I voted.  And I haven't missed a general election vote since.  Actually, I haven't missed a midterm election either with the exception of 1994, when I had the flu, a fever of about 102 and spent the whole day vomiting.  So, that's what?  13/14?  And the only one I missed was because I was too sick to leave the house?  I'd say that's a pretty darn good record.

    But party primaries are not the same thing, especially when the nomination process has already been decided.

    Primaries and general elections are two entirely different species.  So don't accuse me of shit until you actually know what you're talking about.
    But the primaries are what determine the candidates. So you're missing the point by a kilometer if you don't vote in primaries. Change your affiliation if required to vote in your state's primary (closed primaries are just another duopoly corruption of the system). 

    Othrrwise you are still contributing to the problem and creating self-fulfilling prophecies of who is or is not electable. 
    I'm sorry, but that's simply not a realistic view of how the world works.  It just isn't.

    And as I pointed out, I've voted in 13 of the last 14 actual elections.  I've voted in some primaries, but it's usually over by the time they get around to Michigan anyways.  
  • Reply 151 of 180
    pmcdpmcd Posts: 396member
    US said:
    Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate. He is not natural born United States citizen. That is what birth certificates are all about. To prove place of birth. I hope this country wises up before Cruz gets to far. If elected it will open pandoras box. Or a embarrassing law suit. Everyone born with a United States citizen mother will be eligable. Born in any country, raised anywhere in the world. When Mexican mothers have their children in the United States those children are United States citizens not Mexican citizens. Same goes for Cruz with his document of proof he was born in Canada, he is Canadian natural born. Regardless if he renounces his Canadian citizenship he still, and always will have that Canadian birth certificate. The argument of McCain is futile. He was born on a military instalation and recieve a United States birth certificate. Obama was born in Hawaii, news flash Hawaii is a state he recieved a United States birth certificate. Ted Cruz can not be president.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. A natural born citizen does not have to be born on US soil? The term natural born refers to the US citizenship of at least one of the parents.
  • Reply 152 of 180
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    pmcd said:
    US said:
    Cruz has a Canadian birth certificate. He is not natural born United States citizen. That is what birth certificates are all about. To prove place of birth. I hope this country wises up before Cruz gets to far. If elected it will open pandoras box. Or a embarrassing law suit. Everyone born with a United States citizen mother will be eligable. Born in any country, raised anywhere in the world. When Mexican mothers have their children in the United States those children are United States citizens not Mexican citizens. Same goes for Cruz with his document of proof he was born in Canada, he is Canadian natural born. Regardless if he renounces his Canadian citizenship he still, and always will have that Canadian birth certificate. The argument of McCain is futile. He was born on a military instalation and recieve a United States birth certificate. Obama was born in Hawaii, news flash Hawaii is a state he recieved a United States birth certificate. Ted Cruz can not be president.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. A natural born citizen does not have to be born on US soil? The term natural born refers to the US citizenship of at least one of the parents.
    The question has never been addressed by the Supreme Court, so they probably need to take this on and settle the matter. IMO, Cruz is ineligible and where one is born determines their "natural born" status. He just recently abandoned his Canadian citizenship.
  • Reply 153 of 180
    apple ][ said:
    Haha, the elites are getting more and more desperate. How pathetic.

    Any fascist elites who believe that they have the right to dictate who the common man votes for should probably all move to North Korea, as they would fit in much better there.



    I agree, though I don't think these rich, fat cats would enjoy the meals in North Korea or their lack of influence, there. They like to buy things like people, power, elections and more. The USA is where they can do as they please, limited only by their riches.
  • Reply 154 of 180
    rbonnerrbonner Posts: 635member
    I would vote for Tim Cook for president, no question.
  • Reply 155 of 180
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    rbonner said:
    I would vote for Tim Cook for president, no question.
    He'd be great on security and privacy issues, but his stance on racial preference politics is pure progressive pap! 
    tallest skil
  • Reply 156 of 180
    micutulmicutul Posts: 1member
    All those people work for Hilary to be elected as the next president, and to continue Obama’s appeasing of islamist radicals.
    I am not a Trump supporter (Rubio would be a much better president than Trump), but even Trump would be a better president than Hilary.
    My stomach turns upside down seeing the idiocy of those so called “smart” business executives.
    They are as stupid as they can be!
    Urei1620
  • Reply 157 of 180
    JeffZJeffZ Posts: 1member
    The way the oligarchy is acting is all the reason I would need to vote for Trump. They're not whining about Cruz so he must already be in their pocket.
    tallest skil
  • Reply 158 of 180
    pmcdpmcd Posts: 396member
    pmcd said:
    You have no idea what you are talking about. A natural born citizen does not have to be born on US soil? The term natural born refers to the US citizenship of at least one of the parents.
    The question has never been addressed by the Supreme Court, so they probably need to take this on and settle the matter. IMO, Cruz is ineligible and where one is born determines their "natural born" status. He just recently abandoned his Canadian citizenship.
    Well there are certainly a variety of views on this and a long history of controversy ( Romney's father for example and even Barry Goldwater). A search on the topic yields quite a humorous collection of objections to a variety of candidates ( even ones born in the US where the parents were not citizens).

    There have even been lawsuits ( unsuccessful) against Cruz. Every election seems to bring out attempts to disqualify one or more candidates. More nuisance than substantive. While the place of birth does determine natural born status it is not the only criterion as both the Constitution and subsequent amendments address. The dual citizenship issue is irrelevant though a person does have to renounce any foreign allegiance as Cruz has done. 

    Who knows, the Supreme Court may not even be the vehicle which ends up settling the matter. There seems to be quite the collection of "experts" who do not consider this an issue in Cruz's case. 

    In any case if Trump manages to win both Florida (likely) and Ohio (unclear) people will have other things to worry about.
    edited March 2016
  • Reply 159 of 180
    pmcdpmcd Posts: 396member

    cnocbui said:
    rob53 said:

    I'm sure all the non-Americans watching this fiasco are laughing their a**es off. It's amazing how many laws he's breaking while forcing his freedom of speech onto so many sheep. If he was the president and said half the things he's saying right now, he'd be put in jail. If you don't know what I mean, read up on the laws against discrimination to start with.
    I can assure you the last thing we are doing is laughing.  We are mostly absolutely terrified.  Europe is still reaping the shít sown by Bush and his neo-con pupetmasters in the form of ISIS/Daesh and the refugee crisis.  Trump will likely start a nuclear WW3.
    Europe is in no position to be lecturing anyone given its sordid and rather hypocritical past ( and present).
  • Reply 160 of 180
    Hey Mr. Cook,
          With all due respect, why don't you do something that really matters, like working with the FBI to open this phone that belonged to a terrorist. Any American lives that are lost in the future due to information that may be on this phone, is on you! Do your moral duty for this country, and you and your powerful friends call off the dogs attacking Mr. Trump. The American people are speaking! Act like a CEO, and do the right thing! 
    tallest skil
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