FBI paid over $1.34M for hack into San Bernardino iPhone, agency's director says

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The FBI paid more than $1.34 million to hack into the iPhone 5c of dead San Bernardino shooter Syed Rizwan Farook, agency director James Comey admitted on Thursday.




Speaking in front of the Aspen Security Forum in London, Comey declined to offer a precise figure, but said that it would be "more than I will make in the remainder of this job," according to Reuters. The director added that he will be with the FBI for at least another seven years and four months. As of January 2015, his annual salary was $183,300.

He described the expense as "worth it" in his view, noting that the FBI will be able to use the technique on other iPhone 5c models running iOS 9. Until this year the FBI had never paid more than $1 million for access to a hacking technique.

What kind of hack the FBI used on Farook's phone is still a secret, and something Apple has been working to discover. In withdrawing its court order against Apple, the U.S. Department of Justice did say it received help from a third party, also undisclosed.

Reports initially suggested that forensics firm Cellebrite was responsible. Later however sources for the Washington Post suggested it was a hacker group, paid a one-time fee in exchange for an undocumented exploit.

CNN sources have claimed that even though the FBI didn't find any new information on Farook's phone, this in itself proved useful, since it seemed to support a belief that Farook and his wife didn't contact any outside conspirators.
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  • Reply 1 of 34
    Waste of money!
    frankieewtheckmanmnbob1
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  • Reply 2 of 34
    robin huberrobin huber Posts: 4,062member
    Priorities? A lot for an unessential shot in the dark. With mad money like that, Congress needs to take a hard look at the FBI budget. 
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  • Reply 3 of 34
    wood1208wood1208 Posts: 2,944member
    $1M, $2M $10Millions, what's a difference ? All our tax dollars. FBI don't have to go earn them. If they can protect us better than all worth it.
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  • Reply 4 of 34
    wood1208 said:
    $1M, $2M $10Millions, what's a difference ? All our tax dollars. FBI don't have to go earn them. If they can protect us better than all worth it.
    But they obviously can't protect us better. The number one function of our society is not crime (terrorism) prevention. $1.4M in tax payer money could be used for many different things much more beneficial to society than to try to one up someone in a pissing contest. 
    sockrolidbuzdotsmwhitefrankiepatchythepiratemacky the mackyfastasleepmcarlingbaconstangewtheckman
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  • Reply 5 of 34
    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member
    iPhone 5C: $549
    FBI hack: $1.34 million
    Un-crackable Secure Enclave: priceless.
    mcarlingmwhitepatchythepiratemacky the mackyfastasleepbaconstangmnbob1icoco3jony0hlee1169
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  • Reply 6 of 34
    512ke512ke Posts: 782member
    Of course it as worth spending a million bucks of taxpayer money on this! They have virtually shut down all terrorists who are using iPhone 5C's running iOS9 (except the ones who follow the news and now wI'll avoid using the 5C). 
    robin hubermcarlingbaconstangbadmonk
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  • Reply 7 of 34
    mcarlingmcarling Posts: 1,106member
    This is an example of the FBI's typical sloppy thinking.  Not finding anything on Farook's iPhone [b]does not[/b] support the idea that he and his wife did not have outside help.  There are two possibilities: either they had outside help or they didn't.  Serious investigation would look for evidence that is incompatible with and could refute one of those possibilities.  Not finding information on the iPhone is compatible with both possibilities, does not refute any hypothesis, and so does not support the idea that he and his wife did not have outside help.  The mistake of thinking that it does is called the inductive fallacy.

    Since Comey is not smart enough to understand the inductive fallacy, his services are not worth $183,000 per year.
    baconstangmnbob1nouserargonautbadmonk
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  • Reply 8 of 34
    mike1mike1 Posts: 3,478member
    wood1208 said:
    $1M, $2M $10Millions, what's a difference ? All our tax dollars. FBI don't have to go earn them. If they can protect us better than all worth it.
    But they obviously can't protect us better. The number one function of our society is not crime (terrorism) prevention. $1.4M in tax payer money could be used for many different things much more beneficial to society than to try to one up someone in a pissing contest. 
    Your comment is just as wrong as the one you commented on. Yes. The money would be well spent if it actually protected Americans. That does not mean they should have unrestricted access to unlimited funds. Oversight is absolutely necessary and it appears this gamble was not a good investment.

    Defending the constitution, solving/preventing crime, national defense and ensuring the integrity of our food and medical supplies as well as our financial systems are the most important things the federal government can do. Virtually everything else is superfluous and should be managed by individuals or more local government entities. A waste of public funds.
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  • Reply 9 of 34
    NemWannemwan Posts: 118member
    It doesn't support that the perpetrators didn't have collaborators. The two personal phones they destroyed? This only proves they weren't dumb enough to plot the murder of their coworkers on a work phone. They may not have outside collaborators still — destroying two personal phones could mean they just used them to talk to each other.
    fastasleepbaconstangargonaut
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  • Reply 10 of 34
    frankiefrankie Posts: 381member
    mike1 said:
    But they obviously can't protect us better. The number one function of our society is not crime (terrorism) prevention. $1.4M in tax payer money could be used for many different things much more beneficial to society than to try to one up someone in a pissing contest. 
    Your comment is just as wrong as the one you commented on. Yes. The money would be well spent if it actually protected Americans. That does not mean they should have unrestricted access to unlimited funds. Oversight is absolutely necessary and it appears this gamble was not a good investment.

    Defending the constitution, solving/preventing crime, national defense and ensuring the integrity of our food and medical supplies as well as our financial systems are the most important things the federal government can do. Virtually everything else is superfluous and should be managed by individuals or more local government entities. A waste of public funds.
    Manage the financial systems?  Clearly the government is bought and paid for.  If it wasn't worth it for multi-billions dollar companies to BUY our politicians they wouldn't be doing it.  Last I read we paid over $26 TRILLION to banks after the 2008 financial crash, several of those weren't even Americans banks.

    The joke is on us, the middle class taxpayer, as always.
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  • Reply 11 of 34
    This is Apple's next multi-billion dollar business. Unlocking iPhones for governments and law enforcement.

    Investors and Wall Street should rejoice.
    viclauyyc
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  • Reply 12 of 34
    looplessloopless Posts: 353member
    To say that $1M is money well spent if it saves one life, is complete and utter BS. The amount of money the USA spends to counter terrorism is completely out of proportion to "lives saved". We quite happily will NOT spend billions to make , say, roads and infrastructure safer, or remove guns from society. Those actions would potentially save thousands of lives every and every subsequent year for all time and be much better $ value for lives saved.
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  • Reply 13 of 34
    mike1 said:
    But they obviously can't protect us better. The number one function of our society is not crime (terrorism) prevention. $1.4M in tax payer money could be used for many different things much more beneficial to society than to try to one up someone in a pissing contest. 
    Your comment is just as wrong as the one you commented on. Yes. The money would be well spent if it actually protected Americans. That does not mean they should have unrestricted access to unlimited funds. Oversight is absolutely necessary and it appears this gamble was not a good investment.

    Defending the constitution, solving/preventing crime, national defense and ensuring the integrity of our food and medical supplies as well as our financial systems are the most important things the federal government can do. Virtually everything else is superfluous and should be managed by individuals or more local government entities. A waste of public funds.
    "Defending the constitution, solving/preventing crime, national defense and ensuring the integrity of our food and medical supplies as well as our financial systems are the most important things the federal government can do"

    I didn't realize the FBI did all this. (I think they tend to challenge the constitution more than they defend it) Anyway, while these things you lumped together are all important things 
    they are not the primary purpose of our society. In fact, societies that make these things their primary purpose actually run out of crimes and threats and start manufacturing them to justify the perpetual police state. Crime and threat prevention is important but it is not an ends justify the means kind of important. 
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  • Reply 14 of 34
    freerangefreerange Posts: 1,597member
    And millions more in legal action as a waste of time. Go find another job Comey as you obviously don't know how to do the one you have now!
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  • Reply 15 of 34
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,480member
    Hey, at least we all have safe water to drink. Oh wait. 
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  • Reply 16 of 34
    jungmarkjungmark Posts: 6,927member
    Our tax dollars. Can we sue this idiot? Then again, it is DC. 

    hey Comey, I have a stone bridge to sell to you. 
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  • Reply 17 of 34
    roakeroake Posts: 821member
    wood1208 said:
    $1M, $2M $10Millions, what's a difference ? All our tax dollars. FBI don't have to go earn them. If they can protect us better than all worth it.
    Sure!  Why not?  The democrats will leave no stone unturned, no dollar unspent to achieve their goals, at least until they run out of other people's money to spend.
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  • Reply 18 of 34
    baconstangbaconstang Posts: 1,182member
    Anyone with half a brain knew there was NOTHING on that iPhone.  So, money well spent!
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  • Reply 19 of 34
    JinTechjintech Posts: 1,092member
    And how many phones do they want to hack? And will it really cost the FBI that much money to do each one? And why don't they have a viable in house team to do it so they don't have to spend tax payers dollars?
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  • Reply 20 of 34
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    Hey, at least we all have safe water to drink. Oh wait. 
    If there was a cyber pathogen in the water they would have made it safe... ;-).
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