Not really at all. AI just left out the most important part about how Google was already working on this.
Google has been trailing the subscription model that Apple has had in place for a while. They have not rolled out their 1.0 yet and Apple is on 2.0. The article is about them copying their pricing on a product Apple has had and Google is still working on.
And how was lacking the subscription model from Google?
Revenue for Android is best through in-app ads. Google can ape iOS's terms all they like - they're still not addressing the underlying revenue problem for Android: rampant piracy and absurd platform fragmentation (both by device, and software version.) The fact that anyone can buy an app on the play store and repackage it beggars belief.
That last sentence is of course complete nonsense. Google is immediate deleting apps from Play Store if ther is doubt about piracy and there is absolutely no way to repackage an app of somebody else. As with apps on iOS, all apps in the Play store are digitally signed by the developer. I develop for both iOS and Android and I can tell you that the platform fragmentation is not as bad as it seems. iOS has also 7 different screen sizes to develop for, meaning that for both platforms the best strategy is to develop in a screen size agnostic way. Currently my iOS apps support iOS 8 and 9, and Android apps support Android 4.4, 5 and 6. I have 5 iOS test devices and 7 Android test devices, so the difference is not that big. Also the revenue is dependant of the type of app. I have an app targeted at Dutch speaking people, only available in Belgium and the Netherlands, and 70% of the revenue that is coming from Android, reflecting the low marketshare of the iPhone in these 2 countries. For my apps that are internationally available the revenue split is around 50/50
Because Apple hasn't copied things from Google/Android as well? It's just how it works. Everyone borrows from everyone and it makes everyone more competitive for it.
I don't remember Apple copies right after Google implement something.
Just to remind you: the lowercase keyboard is a typical example of Android to iOS copying. I could give you at least 10, but I wouldn't want you to rush to the doctor for an Alzheimer check up.
I don't remember Apple copies right after Google implement something.
Just to remind you: the lowercase keyboard is a typical example of Android to iOS copying. I could give you at least 10, but I wouldn't want you to rush to the doctor for an Alzheimer check up.
When is the lowercase keyboard implemented, did Apple copy it right after?
Just to remind you: the lowercase keyboard is a typical example of Android to iOS copying. I could give you at least 10, but I wouldn't want you to rush to the doctor for an Alzheimer check up.
When is the lowercase keyboard implemented, did Apple copy it right after?
What has copied Google right after Apple implemented something?
What has copied Google right after Apple implemented something?
Stop trolling, I ask first. *Ignored"
Depends what you mean by "right after". Google didn't copy this "right after" it's been in the works for a year, and Apple hasn't implemented it yet.
Maybe Apple started work on the car "right after" they heard about Google's car initiatives, or maybe they started work on a standalone assistant "right after" they heard about Google Assistant. Since Apple don't announce or seed rumours until product development is well along the road it's impossible to know. The idea that Apple doesn't react to competition, whether you call that "copying" or "competing" is a little naive though.
Apple has copied plenty of things from Android and .. let's hope WWDC will bring a lot of news, because right now I have the intention Google is the one that is rather more innovative. I hope I'm wrong and Apple will blow us away on Monday...
What is interesting about Google"s fast response is Google I/O was a great opportunity to present their new model. The company remained silent until Apple moved. Google says it has been testing the model for over a year, but still does not have a start date set. I am wondering if Google is now waiting to learn from Apple's paradigm shift before announcing a start date. You see, Google was in the mobile payments game long before Apple. When Apple entered the game, Google pivoted to follow Apple's movements.
By stating their 85/15 will not have a one year wait period, Google cannot easily change the rules without looking like a bumbling idiot. Apple's decision was made to force developers to be serious about maintaining customers. With Google's plan, as I currently see it, developers do not have a forced incentive to maintain customers.
Apple continues to show that it thinks through processes in an attempt to get things right the first time out the gate. The company is not always successful, but it does it the bullseye more times than not.
These 85/15 announcements from Apple and Google also show that Apple tends not to do knee-jerk reactionary announcements.
I imagine google as a small child, aimlessly stumbling around the pre-school playground until they see another kid enjoying a toy, then they start throwing a tantrum because all of the sudden they have to have that toy. Hurry Phil, find a shiny object to distract them with so we don't have to hear them whining!
Seriously though, is there an Apple product google hasn't tried to copy? They tried like 6 times with the TV. Oh, and of course they mocked Siri as useless until they saw people enjoying it, now they have entire products built around their version of it. I'd be sad if it wasn't so damn funny.
There is no copying if you bother to read the original source form Recode that AI conveniently left out. Google has been testing it for over a year now. Here it is in case you don't want to read and learn more.
"Sources said Google has already been testing the new split with some entertainment companies (so has Apple, to some extent). Google started running the new model over a year ago with video services as a way to get Play subscriptions to work with its TV streaming offerings like the Cast dongle."
That may be all fine and dandy and true, but the problem is the timing!!! This rumor is leaked and there's Google going "ME TOO"!!!! Why not say it's happening before the Apple leak? Why not wait a few months from now? Where was this announcement at Google's Developers conference? That was less then a month ago!!! Wouldn't that have been the perfect time to announce something like that? As I expect Apple will announce theirs officially at the WWDC next week?
Though I did have a problem with Apple and the 1 year countdown before Apple's cut drops. I think it should have been 30% first month and then drop down to 15% after that.
There is no copying if you bother to read the original source form Recode that AI conveniently left out. Google has been testing it for over a year now. Here it is in case you don't want to read and learn more.
"Sources said Google has already been testing the new split with some entertainment companies (so has Apple, to some extent). Google started running the new model over a year ago with video services as a way to get Play subscriptions to work with its TV streaming offerings like the Cast dongle."
That may be all fine and dandy and true, but the problem is the timing!!! This rumor is leaked and there's Google going "ME TOO"!!!! Why not say it's happening before the Apple leak? Why not wait a few months from now? Where was this announcement at Google's Developers conference? That was less then a month ago!!! Wouldn't that have been the perfect time to announce something like that?
You seem to have the sources backwards. There was no Apple leak, Schiller revealed it in an interview. Google is not going "ME TOO!!!", this is a report from Re/Code, not a formal announcement.
Even if the Google news is a controlled leak, so what? Apple announced something and Google weren't gaining anything by sitting on their own news, so they slipped it out a little earlier than they originally planned. That's fine, and good message management, otherwise Apple own the news of reduced Developer pricing.
That may be all fine and dandy and true, but the problem is the timing!!! This rumor is leaked and there's Google going "ME TOO"!!!! Why not say it's happening before the Apple leak? Why not wait a few months from now? Where was this announcement at Google's Developers conference? That was less then a month ago!!! Wouldn't that have been the perfect time to announce something like that?
You seem to have the sources backwards. There was no Apple leak, Schiller revealed it in an interview. Google is not going "ME TOO!!!", this is a report from Re/Code, not a formal announcement.
Even if the Google news is a controlled leak, so what? Apple announced something and Google weren't gaining anything by sitting on their own news, so they slipped it out a little earlier than they originally planned. That's fine, and good message management, otherwise Apple own the news of reduced Developer pricing.
So you're insinuating there's a possibility this wasn't a controlled
leak?? You trolls have a disturbing talent with rationalization.* The
fact is that this was nothing more than a sad "me too" statement (the
timing incontrovertibly proves it) by a company lacking in dignity and
class, which is evident in nearly everything they do, from the way they
blatantly steal IP (iPhone, java, nearly all of Apple's products, ...),
to stealing privacy (e.g. getting the biggest fine in FCC history at the
time for doing so), to completely wasting resources with ridiculous
ideas (balloons, contacts, project ara, ...), to wasting investor
resources (motoroloa, nest, ...), to putting out half-baked products
that their customers have to figure out for themselves.
*It's
kind of funny how there are nearly as many troll comments on this thread
as all the others combined. Pretty pathetic. Get a life ffs.
Getting told to get a life by someone so taken with hatred for a tech company that they have a readily available catalogue of grievances. Not a war criminal, not a human rights abuser, not someone who has injured themselves or their family, a tech company. Get a life? Not really an insult.
Getting called a troll by someone who can't handle anyone else not subscribing to that hatred and tries to shout them down with insults. A troll? Not really an insult.
I didn't insinuate anything. Learn to deal with other opinions on the internet please, or you'll give yourself an aneurysm.
As for whether this story illustrates sadness, or a lack of dignity or class, simply because it might be controlled leak of information to deflate a competitive advantage, I cannot honestly believe that you would think Apple have never had a controlled leak of information to achieve the exact same goal before. Was that sad, or reflective of a lack of dignity or class? It's just PR, whichever company does it, and it's completely normal.
Getting told to get a life by someone so taken with hatred for a tech company that they have a readily available catalogue of grievances. Not a war criminal, not a human rights abuser, not someone who has injured themselves or their family, a tech company. Get a life? Not really an insult.
Getting called a troll by someone who can't handle anyone else not subscribing to that hatred and tries to shout them down with insults. A troll? Not really an insult.
I didn't insinuate anything. Learn to deal with other opinions on the internet please, or you'll give yourself an aneurysm.
As for whether this story illustrates sadness, or a lack of dignity or class, simply because it might be controlled leak of information to deflate a competitive advantage, I cannot honestly believe that you would think Apple have never had a controlled leak of information to achieve the exact same goal before. Was that sad, or reflective of a lack of dignity or class? It's just PR, whichever company does it, and it's completely normal.
Huh? Your statement made very little sense. You 'don't subscribe to hatred'? What hatred are you referring to, exactly? And are you insinuating that I have "hatred?" (Oh, that's right, you don't insinuate things, apparently). I don't remember using the word "hatred" to describe google, I merely said they have no dignity or class (incidentally, largely because of this, I dislike google). As a reminder, the word I used was "troll."
Just so we're clear, I didn't "shout you down" with insults. (But way to play victim there). There is no need to "shout you down" after I clearly pointed out how you were wrong. You are free to take "troll" as an insult if you wish, but it is more of a descriptor than an insult.
In addition, whatever argument you're trying to make there is pretty rich for someone who goes out of his way to visit a website in order to repeatedly criticize a company (>4000 posts!). Is there not another website where you can go to to repeatedly criticize Apple in troll-like fashion? It must be an Apple-centric website, huh? I suppose if I "hated" google as you seem to suggest, I'd be going to google insider and writing 4000 posts, but I don't, because I'd rather spend my time focusing on things I enjoy, like Apple.
And finally back to the point. As I, and others have pointed out, the timing says it all. And to answer your last question: yes.
I'll never understand why you blowhards claim to have proven people wrong when you've done no such thing. Sounding off about illusory facts and incontrovertibility doesn't lend you any credibility, and even if it did (it really, really doesn't), the timing of the so-called leak was never the crux of anything I've said, which was always that leak or no, this is a completely reasonable thing for Google to be doing, and announcing.
So congratulations, you've pointed out that I am wrong on a point I wasn't even making, don't care about, and you weren't even that convincing about it. You're having a great day! Fling a few more random insults in there and you might make a Padawan to one of the other idiots round here.
P.S. 4000 posts and probably less than a few dozen are negative about Apple. More will be positive, and the majority will be tediously fending off irate imbeciles who can't stand a differing opinion. Better luck next time.
I'll never understand why you blowhards claim to have proven people wrong when you've done no such thing. Sounding off about illusory facts and incontrovertibility doesn't lend you any credibility, and even if it did (it really, really doesn't), the timing of the so-called leak was never the crux of anything I've said, which was always that leak or no, this is a completely reasonable thing for Google to be doing, and announcing.
So congratulations, you've pointed out that I am wrong on a point I wasn't even making, don't care about, and you weren't even that convincing about it. You're having a great day! Fling a few more random insults in there and you might make a Padawan to one of the other idiots round here.
P.S. 4000 posts and probably less than a few dozen are negative about Apple. More will be positive, and the majority will be tediously fending off irate imbeciles who can't stand a differing opinion. Better luck next time.
You are once again full of contradiction. First off, my claim of "proven wrong" was admittedly a reach, particularity since the subject is a matter of opinion on whether google's suspiciously-timed leak constitutes a 'me too' response (almost without question does, based on the timing, whether they were working on it beforehand or not) or is indicative of google lacking dignity and class (we'll have to agree to disagree on that I suppose).
Then, with complete lack of insight, you accuse me of 'flinging' insults (I remember only calling you a troll and saying 'get a life'), yet completely hypocritically refer to me, directly or indirectly as: 1) blowhard 2) idiot 3) irate imbecile (my favorite)
I'm the one flinging insults, huh?
Lastly, and most telling, you try to frame yourself as some self-righteous arbiter of truth defending everyone from the "blowhards." Please, enlighten me on how I am a blowhard. From my memory, you typically offer a contrarian viewpoint in relation to Apple, as you did today, which to me, gets tiresome.
On second thought @crowley, you're probably right to some extent on your points that relate to me getting too worked up about this (e.g. I can see why you'd use the word "blowhard," and also reflecting back my 'get a life' statement). FWIW, my frustration is more with the blatantly negative trolls that are all too frequent on this site. Despite our differences, you are clearly a thoughtful person, and I regret and apologize for the part I played in escalating this argument beyond where it should have gone.
Google Android engineer Chris DeSalvo’s quote after the release of the iPhone in 2007, “We’re going to have to start over.” ‘Nuff said.
I remember reading that quote. It sounded like one of those horrible moments in life when you're trying hard to take notes while maintaining control of your bowels.
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I develop for both iOS and Android and I can tell you that the platform fragmentation is not as bad as it seems. iOS has also 7 different screen sizes to develop for, meaning that for both platforms the best strategy is to develop in a screen size agnostic way. Currently my iOS apps support iOS 8 and 9, and Android apps support Android 4.4, 5 and 6. I have 5 iOS test devices and 7 Android test devices, so the difference is not that big.
Also the revenue is dependant of the type of app. I have an app targeted at Dutch speaking people, only available in Belgium and the Netherlands, and 70% of the revenue that is coming from Android, reflecting the low marketshare of the iPhone in these 2 countries. For my apps that are internationally available the revenue split is around 50/50
When is the lowercase keyboard implemented, did Apple copy it right after?
Maybe Apple started work on the car "right after" they heard about Google's car initiatives, or maybe they started work on a standalone assistant "right after" they heard about Google Assistant. Since Apple don't announce or seed rumours until product development is well along the road it's impossible to know. The idea that Apple doesn't react to competition, whether you call that "copying" or "competing" is a little naive though.
By stating their 85/15 will not have a one year wait period, Google cannot easily change the rules without looking like a bumbling idiot. Apple's decision was made to force developers to be serious about maintaining customers. With Google's plan, as I currently see it, developers do not have a forced incentive to maintain customers.
Apple continues to show that it thinks through processes in an attempt to get things right the first time out the gate. The company is not always successful, but it does it the bullseye more times than not.
These 85/15 announcements from Apple and Google also show that Apple tends not to do knee-jerk reactionary announcements.
Good of on Apple.
Even if the Google news is a controlled leak, so what? Apple announced something and Google weren't gaining anything by sitting on their own news, so they slipped it out a little earlier than they originally planned. That's fine, and good message management, otherwise Apple own the news of reduced Developer pricing.
So you're insinuating there's a possibility this wasn't a controlled leak?? You trolls have a disturbing talent with rationalization.* The fact is that this was nothing more than a sad "me too" statement (the timing incontrovertibly proves it) by a company lacking in dignity and class, which is evident in nearly everything they do, from the way they blatantly steal IP (iPhone, java, nearly all of Apple's products, ...), to stealing privacy (e.g. getting the biggest fine in FCC history at the time for doing so), to completely wasting resources with ridiculous ideas (balloons, contacts, project ara, ...), to wasting investor resources (motoroloa, nest, ...), to putting out half-baked products that their customers have to figure out for themselves.
*It's kind of funny how there are nearly as many troll comments on this thread as all the others combined. Pretty pathetic. Get a life ffs.
Getting called a troll by someone who can't handle anyone else not subscribing to that hatred and tries to shout them down with insults. A troll? Not really an insult.
I didn't insinuate anything. Learn to deal with other opinions on the internet please, or you'll give yourself an aneurysm.
As for whether this story illustrates sadness, or a lack of dignity or class, simply because it might be controlled leak of information to deflate a competitive advantage, I cannot honestly believe that you would think Apple have never had a controlled leak of information to achieve the exact same goal before. Was that sad, or reflective of a lack of dignity or class? It's just PR, whichever company does it, and it's completely normal.
Just so we're clear, I didn't "shout you down" with insults. (But way to play victim there). There is no need to "shout you down" after I clearly pointed out how you were wrong. You are free to take "troll" as an insult if you wish, but it is more of a descriptor than an insult.
In addition, whatever argument you're trying to make there is pretty rich for someone who goes out of his way to visit a website in order to repeatedly criticize a company (>4000 posts!). Is there not another website where you can go to to repeatedly criticize Apple in troll-like fashion? It must be an Apple-centric website, huh? I suppose if I "hated" google as you seem to suggest, I'd be going to google insider and writing 4000 posts, but I don't, because I'd rather spend my time focusing on things I enjoy, like Apple.
And finally back to the point. As I, and others have pointed out, the timing says it all. And to answer your last question: yes.
So congratulations, you've pointed out that I am wrong on a point I wasn't even making, don't care about, and you weren't even that convincing about it. You're having a great day! Fling a few more random insults in there and you might make a Padawan to one of the other idiots round here.
P.S. 4000 posts and probably less than a few dozen are negative about Apple. More will be positive, and the majority will be tediously fending off irate imbeciles who can't stand a differing opinion. Better luck next time.
Then, with complete lack of insight, you accuse me of 'flinging' insults (I remember only calling you a troll and saying 'get a life'), yet completely hypocritically refer to me, directly or indirectly as:
1) blowhard
2) idiot
3) irate imbecile (my favorite)
I'm the one flinging insults, huh?
Lastly, and most telling, you try to frame yourself as some self-righteous arbiter of truth defending everyone from the "blowhards." Please, enlighten me on how I am a blowhard. From my memory, you typically offer a contrarian viewpoint in relation to Apple, as you did today, which to me, gets tiresome.
I remember reading that quote. It sounded like one of those horrible moments in life when you're trying hard to take notes while maintaining control of your bowels.
:-/