I don't see how this can be bad news for anyone. The fact that (regardless of political affiliation) he is exploring possibilities to bring business like Apple back to the States should be seen as a positive thing. Yes China has the advantage in labor costs and experience building this products, but that doesn't mean that we can't try. Giving incentives and tax cuts to these companies can help them offset other costs.
Trump is barking up the wrong tree. It's not in Tim Cook's hands where iPhones are made. People like to think Apple closed down its American factories and moved them to China to save money. That's not what happened. Apple closed down every single one of its factories in the entire world. Apple doesn't want to be in manufacturing. Apple designs all the components for its devices. It then pays component manufacturers to make them according to Apple's specifications. Those component manufacturers are located all over the world. Some of them are even in the USA.
Bottom line is that Apple cannot "move manufacturing back to the USA" because it doesn't own any manufacturing plants to begin with.
But Apple does want to manufacture it's own products if it reaches cost parity with outsourcing it to others.
Manufacturing is a capital-intensive business. That's the reason Apple got out in the first place. Cutting regulations to the bone won't solve that problem.
I have been sitting often - after playing squash - with groups of half naked men, or in a one to one situation, and never have I or one of my friends said things like: I grab 'm by the pussy. We like women. And yes, I was shocked.
I don't know what kind of life you live or what kind of friends you have, but I have had random women come up to me before and literally grab me by the c-ck (alcohol was probably involved).
I am not shocked by somebody talking about grabbing a woman by the pussy. It can be a figure of speech. It's common talk.
Real men sometimes talk like that. Trump is a real man. I am a real man. We're both from the same place too and that's how we talk. There is plenty of more pussy grabbing to come soon!
I disagree. If you have to speak about "grabbing women by the pussy" then you're not a "real" man. You're a pathetic loser who probably hasn't had sex in a long time (if ever), but feels the need to assert his "manliness" by degrading women and talking about them as objects rather than people. You probably also have tiny hands.
Real men are comfortable enough in their sexuality to not have to assert it by making exaggerated claims about their prowess. Real men treat women with respect, because they don't see their masculinity threatened by women being equal to them.
I have high hopes for Trump. I voted for him because I truly believe he can bring changes that are need here stateside. I also think good advisers will temper his extreme talk. He is just candid like I am. Doesn't mean he is bad. Just has to choose his words differently depending on who he is addressing.
Right.
So during a conversation about women during whicy he said, "You can do anything. Grab them by the p###y," which words should he have chosen?
When he went past that 14-year-old girl and said to an adviser that he would be dating her in ten years, would it have been better if he said he'd be dating her in twelve years?
Stop being a pussy. I don't see anything wrong with those comments.
Here's the difficulty with your position on Trump's documented behavior. If I grab your wife's hoo hah or say that about your daughter, you'd not take offense? I don't believe you! You'd probably deck me, as well you should. Accordingly, if you can't see the inherent contradiction in your thinking, then you're an idiot or delusional or both.
What he said was that when you're famous, women let you do anything to them, even let you grab them by the pussy. Is there something wrong with that statement? If Trump told a friend that in 10 years, he'd be dating my daughter, why would I be offended? You should stop being a beta male pussy. Are you a male feminist?
The damn problem mister is that they don't consent to it. That's the same fracking argument about sexual harassment or why rapes and sexual assaults in general under-reported.
The reason its not reported is because THEY would lose they jobs, not be believed by the police, be gasslighted by people like you claiming this is just boys being boys... The reason is not that a fucking crime has not been committed.
I guess if he feels so strongly that he's been unjustly accused of being a sexual predator, he could sue. I dare him to sue those 12 women. Betting he's not going to do it because he'd be buried in discovery and lose like he's lost thousands of others (that he alone declares to be "victories").
If there is no fucking problem with grabbing any pussy and he thinks being in power makes it AOK (because they'll be glad he did it (sic), then I guess he's now in a perfect position to go on a god damn grabbing rampage.
Everyone of course wants to be violated by the president, no question about it... (that's basically taking his monstrous argument to its logical conclusion). And if a women said he did it now, would she be believed? No.. Would she demonized even if right? Yes. Would she lose her job, or be blackballed and thus lose her whole career; Absolutely, which means reporting this would be a very hard decision to take.
And yes, I've had to ward off a many of those so called alphas (sic), sometimes with the help of the police in the worse cases (criminal harassment, stalking, attempted assault, vandalism (and yes, done by different persons). That's not even taking into account abuse of power at work (I started to work in the 1980s); good thing I worked for a relatively progressive organization for the times and HR beat them down.
That's the same fracking argument about sexual harassment or why rapes and sexual assaults in general under-reported.
You mean the fake argument?
The reason its not reported is because THEY would lose they jobs, not be believed by the police, be gasslighted by people like you claiming this is just boys being boys…
Yes, the men would lose their jobs, the men would not be believed, the men would be gaslit, etc. That’s exactly right. And even when men don’t rape, being accused thereof gets them the same punishment.
And if a women said he did it now, would she be believed? No.. Would she demonized even if right? Yes.
However, I’ll take Trump’s partial base’s economic knowledge to the mathematical assurance that Hillary’s (et. al.) ENTIRE base does not know how the economy works.
What alternate universe have you been observing for you to reach that conclusion?
I have high hopes for Trump. I voted for him because I truly believe he can bring changes that are need here stateside. I also think good advisers will temper his extreme talk. He is just candid like I am. Doesn't mean he is bad. Just has to choose his words differently depending on who he is addressing.
Right.
So during a conversation about women during whicy he said, "You can do anything. Grab them by the p###y," which words should he have chosen?
When he went past that 14-year-old girl and said to an adviser that he would be dating her in ten years, would it have been better if he said he'd be dating her in twelve years?
Stop being a pussy. I don't see anything wrong with those comments.
Here's the difficulty with your position on Trump's documented behavior. If I grab your wife's hoo hah or say that about your daughter, you'd not take offense? I don't believe you! You'd probably deck me, as well you should. Accordingly, if you can't see the inherent contradiction in your thinking, then you're an idiot or delusional or both.
What he said was that when you're famous, women let you do anything to them, even let you grab them by the pussy. Is there something wrong with that statement? If Trump told a friend that in 10 years, he'd be dating my daughter, why would I be offended? You should stop being a beta male pussy. Are you a male feminist?
<snip> Everyone of course wants to be violated by the president, no question about it...
</snip>
It gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "working directly under the president"...
Just a little levity in this powder-keg of a thread.
Incredible -- even though I should not really be surprised -- to see the level of misogyny that lurks in these boards.
Wow.
Recognising the reality that 'rich guys get chicks' and that 'many chicks let them' is hardly misogyny.
Here's real misogyny:
1. Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case;
2. In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;
3. In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
4. Juanita Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;
5. From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was "who's next?". One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor's hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;
6. Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."
7. Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.
8. Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
9. Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton's hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.
10. Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant's legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.
11. Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.
You may get a little curious about somebody being married to an individual like that and not being aware of of their behaviour.
Surely no woman could be a misogynist, right?
If you don't like reality you probably don't want to go there.
This is so stupid. Corporate effective tax rate is already very low in the US. You might as well tell them it's ok to not pay tax if you open a factory in the US.
Also even if Trump manages to get those tax incentive pass, what happens after 4 years. The next guy will most likely kill the tax incentive, and they close the factories again?
Ugh, how is this debate still being had? It's gross, so gross that he had to apologise. If he can recognise that there's something wrong requiring apology then it's mindblowing that there are still people defending this crap.
He also stated that his words don't reflect his actions. Believe the words of a known liar about something as serious as sexual assault if you want, I'm sure that'll work out fine.
And sure, Bill Clinton was bad too. So are many other people, but "other people do it too" is a child's excuse and at this point an even more pathetic attempt at misdirection since only one of Donald Trump and Bill Clinton are heading to the White House..
Incredible -- even though I should not really be surprised -- to see the level of misogyny that lurks in these boards.
Wow.
Recognising the reality that 'rich guys get chicks' and that 'many chicks let them' is hardly misogyny. Etc etc blah etc blah....
Frankly, while it's really not much of a heartache, I really do feel quite sorry for people like you. I don't inhabit your world, and I am glad I don't.
You are basically saying there is nothing wrong with saying you can sexually assault women because you're famous. Despicable.
Donald Trump; ”When you're a star, they'll let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy.”
let (lĕt) v. To give permission or opportunity to; allow:
Twisting words.
Great for your agenda. Not so much your credibility.
Talking of twisting words and credibility, I see you missed out the other part of that quote:
"I don't even wait"
In other words, he just does it, and if they don't complain he thinks that's some form of consent.
Try that defense in a court of law and see how far it gets you.
Or he likes the woman, he sees the woman likes him, and he makes his move immediately.
Waiting or not waiting has nothing has got nothing to do with consent.
You seem to live in your own damn bubble, at least 12 said he went without fucking consent, or given him essentially the time of day. His own fucking "eval" of the situation is irrelevant when putting his fucking hand on their vagina in public, got that.
We're not talking putting his paws around their waist, which is already skeezy without consent but not criminal; get a god damn clue.
Man, stay away from any women if that's how you think.
That's how it goes it asswipe men like Trump. I think a woman likes me and I'm powerful enough that she'll probably not go to the police, well that means she's OK with sexual assault....
If that's how you think get yourself checked into rehab before you end up in jail. If you do that to me. YOU WILL END UP IN JAIL.
Incredible -- even though I should not really be surprised -- to see the level of misogyny that lurks in these boards.
Wow.
Recognising the reality that 'rich guys get chicks' and that 'many chicks let them' is hardly misogyny.
Here's real misogyny:
1. Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford where the future President was a student in 1969. A retired State Department employee, who asked not to be identified, confirmed that he spoke with the family of the girl and filed a report with his superiors. Clinton admitted having sex with the girl, but claimed it was consensual. The victim's family declined to pursue the case;
2. In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident. The woman, tracked down by Capitol Hill Blue last week, confirmed the incident, but declined to discuss it further and would not give permission to use her name;
3. In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ''came on'' to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;
4. Juanita Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape;
5. From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was "who's next?". One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor's hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;
6. Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."
7. Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.
8. Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
9. Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton's hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.
10. Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant's legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.
11. Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.
You may get a little curious about somebody being married to an individual like that and not being aware of of their behaviour.
Surely no woman could be a misogynist, right?
If you don't like reality you probably don't want to go there.
Paula Jones (Paul Corbin) case had already been thrown out in court (because 6 witnesses said she lied and she even lied about Clinton's penis!), the case was settled mostly because Bill Clinton had lied about having an affair with Lewinski during the deposition for the trial she had lost, and her case was linked to the Lewinski case which he wanted to close in 1998 as the Starr Commission was ). Notice, THE CASE HAD BEEN TROWN OUT ALREADY BECAUSE SHE HAD LIED ABOUT CLINTON'S GENITALIA
All the other cases, on the wikipedia page on Clinton's sexual allegations (not the bullshit list your crapped out) are either consensual (though they do skirt in some cases with sexual harassment in modern parlance, but not be considered criminal) or have not been found to be relevant by the god damn STARR COMMISSION that spent tens of millions trying to dig up dirt on the Bill
That's not even taking into account that most of the allegations would be 25 to 40 years old; and not in the last decade like Trump.
We're living in 2016 after all, not 1980.
Clinton was a womanizer for sure before the Lewinski affair, and he paid a price for that during the Starr commission.
Trump is a lot worse, even criminally worse.
The fact he's doing this in the last decade and not in 1980, is an aggravating factor.
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I disagree. If you have to speak about "grabbing women by the pussy" then you're not a "real" man. You're a pathetic loser who probably hasn't had sex in a long time (if ever), but feels the need to assert his "manliness" by degrading women and talking about them as objects rather than people. You probably also have tiny hands.
Real men are comfortable enough in their sexuality to not have to assert it by making exaggerated claims about their prowess. Real men treat women with respect, because they don't see their masculinity threatened by women being equal to them.
general under-reported.
The reason its not reported is because THEY would lose they jobs, not be believed by the police, be gasslighted by people like you claiming this is just boys being boys...
The reason is not that a fucking crime has not been committed.
I guess if he feels so strongly that he's been unjustly accused of being a sexual predator, he could sue.
I dare him to sue those 12 women. Betting he's not going to do it because he'd be buried in discovery and
lose like he's lost thousands of others (that he alone declares to be "victories").
If there is no fucking problem with grabbing any pussy and he thinks being in power makes it AOK (because they'll be glad he did it (sic), then I guess he's now
in a perfect position to go on a god damn grabbing rampage.
Everyone of course wants to be violated by the president, no question about it... (that's basically taking his monstrous argument to its logical conclusion).
And if a women said he did it now, would she be believed? No.. Would she demonized even if right? Yes.
Would she lose her job, or be blackballed and thus lose her whole career; Absolutely, which means reporting this would be a very hard decision to take.
And yes, I've had to ward off a many of those so called alphas (sic), sometimes with the help of the police in the worse cases (criminal harassment, stalking, attempted assault, vandalism (and yes, done by different persons). That's not even taking into account abuse of power at work (I started to work in the 1980s); good thing I worked for a relatively progressive organization for the times and HR beat them down.
Yes, the men would lose their jobs, the men would not be believed, the men would be gaslit, etc. That’s exactly right. And even when men don’t rape, being accused thereof gets them the same punishment.
Try again with something this side of reality.
He's been watching the liberal one.
Wow.
It gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "working directly under the president"...
Just a little levity in this powder-keg of a thread.
Here's real misogyny:
You may get a little curious about somebody being married to an individual like that and not being aware of of their behaviour.
Surely no woman could be a misogynist, right?
If you don't like reality you probably don't want to go there.
"I don't even wait"
In other words, he just does it, and if they don't complain he thinks that's some form of consent.
Try that defense in a court of law and see how far it gets you.
You might as well tell them it's ok to not pay tax if you open a factory in the US.
Also even if Trump manages to get those tax incentive pass, what happens after 4 years.
The next guy will most likely kill the tax incentive, and they close the factories again?
Waiting or not waiting has nothing has got nothing to do with consent.
Same logic.
He also stated that his words don't reflect his actions. Believe the words of a known liar about something as serious as sexual assault if you want, I'm sure that'll work out fine.
And sure, Bill Clinton was bad too. So are many other people, but "other people do it too" is a child's excuse and at this point an even more pathetic attempt at misdirection since only one of Donald Trump and Bill Clinton are heading to the White House..
Whatever floats your boat.
His own fucking "eval" of the situation is irrelevant when putting his fucking hand on their vagina in public, got that.
We're not talking putting his paws around their waist, which is already skeezy without consent but not criminal; get a god damn clue.
Man, stay away from any women if that's how you think.
That's how it goes it asswipe men like Trump.
I think a woman likes me and I'm powerful enough that she'll probably not go to the police,
well that means she's OK with sexual assault....
If that's how you think get yourself checked into rehab before you end up in jail.
If you do that to me. YOU WILL END UP IN JAIL.
Paula Jones (Paul Corbin) case had already been thrown out in court (because 6 witnesses said she lied and she even lied about Clinton's penis!), the case was settled mostly because Bill Clinton had lied about having an affair with Lewinski during the deposition for the trial she had lost, and her case was linked to the Lewinski case which he wanted to close in 1998 as the Starr Commission was ). Notice, THE CASE HAD BEEN TROWN OUT ALREADY BECAUSE SHE HAD LIED ABOUT CLINTON'S GENITALIA
All the other cases, on the wikipedia page on Clinton's sexual allegations (not the bullshit list your crapped out) are either consensual (though they do skirt in some cases with sexual harassment in modern parlance, but not be considered criminal) or have not been found to be relevant by the god damn STARR COMMISSION that spent tens of millions trying to dig up dirt on the Bill
That's not even taking into account that most of the allegations would be 25 to 40 years old; and not in the last decade like Trump.
We're living in 2016 after all, not 1980.
Clinton was a womanizer for sure before the Lewinski affair, and he paid a price for that during the Starr commission.
Trump is a lot worse, even criminally worse.
The fact he's doing this in the last decade and not in 1980, is an aggravating factor.