This article just goes to show that even someone as talented as Ive still makes mistakes now and then!
Removing the home button is a great step forward. An edge to edge screen is also great. But removing the Touch ID feature - which is clearly more convenient than Face ID for many people in many situations - is a design failure.
With a little more effort and a little less arrogance, Jony could have found a way to maintain the Touch ID capabilities while adding Face ID and created a device more suitable for more users - and even allowed the most security conscious users to require both a Face and a Finger to unlock their devices. I would have liked to see the Touch ID sensor enhanced to work from underneath the screen. I assume that’s where they were heading but the technology was just not quite ready yet. I also assume that we will see the Touch ID feature reappear in next years model of the X. As much as I’d like to have the edge to edge screen - I refuse to pay more money for a device that is markedly less convenient and arguably less-secure - so for myself and many of my friends - we’ll be sticking with the “+” models until the X lineup is at least equal in terms of convenience to their siblings. But then again - maybe they won’t care at all - because as long as they keep the “+” lineup going, we’ll still be purchasing new phones every year. It won’t be until they abandon Touch ID completely that some of us will abandon them completely.
Given some strings found in the code, I’d assumed Apple’s goal was to reach “multibiometrics”, Face ID + Touch ID. Then an interview with Dan Riccio revealed that their intention was not to implement both on the same device, and that, since the beginning. As being a non-invasive method, Face ID is obviously better than Touch ID and I get sick of Siri telling me “to unlock my iPhone first”. Touch ID makes “Hey Siri” practically useless. “Hey Siri what? unlock your iPhone first”. That’s a joke... With Face ID, unlocking and “Hey Siri” may happen at the same time.
I purchased a 8 Plus by the way, but not for Touch ID, I preferred the larger display of 8 Plus with the 16:9 aspect ratio more convenient for landscape use.
Apple execs like saying "it took courage" to do something. That's what they said when they removed the SD card slot from the Macbook Pro. I guess it took courage to ship a $3k under powered Macbook Pro that can't be upgraded... ever.
Yet Mac sales had their best quarter ever. Care to explain? Or are people who like Macs just stupid?
I bought the late 2016 MBP after my late 2008 died and it's a great machine in many respects, but I also feel that it was overpriced and that it's ridiculous that the end user can't change/upgrade the battery, memory and storage. I don't feel stupid, but it does make me annoyed that Apple won't do this as they used to. I've said this before, but Ive's obsession with thinness and "no lines in the case" over practicality drives me nuts. I could easily believe that Ive doesn't actually use the equipment he designs; rather, he just looks at it. Apple execs live in a different world where at their income levels, it's no big deal to toss a machine when they want another one with more memory or storage or if they drop a phone and the glass breaks. In the real world, for middle-class people, it is a big deal. I've been using Apple computers since way before the Mac, but this could be my very last Mac.
And let's get real. The iPhone X doesn't have Touch ID not because Apple is moving on to new and better technology, but because they couldn't make it work on the full-size screen. Anything else out of Ive's mouth is just a b.s. rationalization.
If you have something more effective to replace them, you don't need courage to replace them, you need common sense, to just show people how they are more effective.
This is a far more difficult uphill corporate battle than one might expect, even in the high tech world.
Fortunately, Apple is not your average tech company, and it’s execs are far more thoughtful than average tech execs.
It does take a certain amount of courage to make big changes when millions upon millions of your customers have become used to a certain technology or way of doing things. The Apple team gets this and that’s why they say it.
What did you think Jony was going to say. He is going to support Apple's position. People should quit complaining about what Apple does and vote with their wallet. Do not buy their products. It's too expensive and they constantly changing things for their pocketbooks. Why a lightning port for the iPhone when everyone is going USB-C... Even the fabulous MacBook Pro has USB-C but no lightning ports. They raise the prices and screw you by making you buy adapters for their products. It all about money and it's downright greedy. Shove it Jony... your attitude is sickening.
What did you think Jony was going to say. He is going to support Apple's position. People should quit complaining about what Apple does and vote with their wallet. Do not buy their products. It's too expensive and they constantly changing things for their pocketbooks. Why a lightning port for the iPhone when everyone is going USB-C... Even the fabulous MacBook Pro has USB-C but no lightning ports. They raise the prices and screw you by making you buy adapters for their products. It all about money and it's downright greedy. Shove it Jony... your attitude is sickening.
Go ahead and vote with your wallet. And then vote with your eyeballs and stop supporting a pro-Apple website. If we need you, we'll look for you at GoogleInsider or wherever.
What did you think Jony was going to say. He is going to support Apple's position. People should quit complaining about what Apple does and vote with their wallet. Do not buy their products. It's too expensive and they constantly changing things for their pocketbooks. Why a lightning port for the iPhone when everyone is going USB-C... Even the fabulous MacBook Pro has USB-C but no lightning ports. They raise the prices and screw you by making you buy adapters for their products. It all about money and it's downright greedy. Shove it Jony... your attitude is sickening.
Go ahead and vote with your wallet. And then vote with your eyeballs and stop supporting a pro-Apple website. If we need you, we'll look for you at GoogleInsider or wherever.
Well said. They are just too stupid to learn though...
And let's get real. The iPhone X doesn't have Touch ID not because Apple is moving on to new and better technology, but because they couldn't make it work on the full-size screen. Anything else out of Ive's mouth is just a b.s. rationalization.
Apple execs like saying "it took courage" to do something. That's what they said when they removed the SD card slot from the Macbook Pro. I guess it took courage to ship a $3k under powered Macbook Pro that can't be upgraded... ever.
You must still be depressed about the demise of floppy discs, dial up modems, and the dot matrix printer.
I'm so sick of this analogy between the floppy and 3.5mm jack. It doesn't work.
First, within the Mac community, floppies weren't being used that much anymore, if at all. It wasn't a hardship to not have a floppy. The floppy really was a legacy device. The 3.5mm simply isn't.
Second, an old technology was being replaced with a new superior one. 3.5mm to dongle or AirPod is different, but not necessarily superior. It is inferior in a number of ways.
Floppies were an old technology that wasn't really serving the purpose any longer (anyone remember installing an app that came on a dozen+ floppies?), and moving to CD was a big leap. Going from 3.5mm to Lightning and moving the D/A external isn't really a technological leap (and was possible before dropping the 3.5mm), it's less standard, and it's a mechanically inferior connection. And, technically, the sound quality is actually lower with the new dongle setup.
Or, to put it more simply.... getting rid of the floppy was a technological advancement. Getting rid of the 3.5mm was an, 'Apple gets some space, and moves in Ive's port-less dream direction advancement.' The end-user gained little and lost a lot.
What did you think Jony was going to say. He is going to support Apple's position. People should quit complaining about what Apple does and vote with their wallet. Do not buy their products. It's too expensive and they constantly changing things for their pocketbooks. Why a lightning port for the iPhone when everyone is going USB-C... Even the fabulous MacBook Pro has USB-C but no lightning ports. They raise the prices and screw you by making you buy adapters for their products. It all about money and it's downright greedy. Shove it Jony... your attitude is sickening.
Go ahead and vote with your wallet. And then vote with your eyeballs and stop supporting a pro-Apple website. If we need you, we'll look for you at GoogleInsider or wherever.
What did you think Jony was going to say. He is going to support Apple's position. People should quit complaining about what Apple does and vote with their wallet. Do not buy their products. It's too expensive and they constantly changing things for their pocketbooks. Why a lightning port for the iPhone when everyone is going USB-C... Even the fabulous MacBook Pro has USB-C but no lightning ports. They raise the prices and screw you by making you buy adapters for their products. It all about money and it's downright greedy. Shove it Jony... your attitude is sickening.
Go ahead and vote with your wallet. And then vote with your eyeballs and stop supporting a pro-Apple website. If we need you, we'll look for you at GoogleInsider or wherever.
Well said. They are just too stupid to learn though...
Both of guys got me. Voting with my eyeballs and I'm too stupid. Wow! If you do not agree with me then illustrate why with points of fact not insults. You do not have to agree, which you do not, but why? Insults just show how petty you are.
I'm so sick of this analogy between the floppy and 3.5mm jack. It doesn't work.
First, within the Mac community, floppies weren't being used that much anymore, if at all. It wasn't a hardship to not have a floppy. The floppy really was a legacy device. The 3.5mm simply isn't.
Your right the analogy doesn't work because just like me almost every Mac user bought a external floppy drive. Losing the 3.5 mm was free and i don't miss it at all. Know a lot of 7 users never hear them complaining. The ones that complain are mostly Fandroids.
What did you think Jony was going to say. He is going to support Apple's position. People should quit complaining about what Apple does and vote with their wallet. Do not buy their products. It's too expensive and they constantly changing things for their pocketbooks. Why a lightning port for the iPhone when everyone is going USB-C... Even the fabulous MacBook Pro has USB-C but no lightning ports. They raise the prices and screw you by making you buy adapters for their products. It all about money and it's downright greedy. Shove it Jony... your attitude is sickening.
Go ahead and vote with your wallet. And then vote with your eyeballs and stop supporting a pro-Apple website. If we need you, we'll look for you at GoogleInsider or wherever.
What did you think Jony was going to say. He is going to support Apple's position. People should quit complaining about what Apple does and vote with their wallet. Do not buy their products. It's too expensive and they constantly changing things for their pocketbooks. Why a lightning port for the iPhone when everyone is going USB-C... Even the fabulous MacBook Pro has USB-C but no lightning ports. They raise the prices and screw you by making you buy adapters for their products. It all about money and it's downright greedy. Shove it Jony... your attitude is sickening.
Go ahead and vote with your wallet. And then vote with your eyeballs and stop supporting a pro-Apple website. If we need you, we'll look for you at GoogleInsider or wherever.
Well said. They are just too stupid to learn though...
Both of guys got me. Voting with my eyeballs and I'm too stupid. Wow! If you do not agree with me then illustrate why with points of fact not insults. You do not have to agree, which you do not, but why? Insults just show how petty you are.
You're telling us to "vote with our wallets" and not buy Apple stuff because it's too expensive and Apple is screwing us. Since I already am voting with my wallet by buying the Apple products that I love/want (and not buying those that I don't need/want), that advice isn't helpful. My turning that back on you to suggest that you waste less of your valuable time discussing products that you don't value from a company that "sickens" you is hardly "insulting."
But ok, let's address your points specifically.
1. Yes Jony's interview wasn't very enlightening, because it's the Apple party line (I said this already in the first post on this article).
2. I, and millions of consumers, disagree that Apple products are "too expensive." As a consumer would I like them to lower their margins so I get a better deal? Sure, but that's true for every product I can think of. You're absolutely right: if you don't believe the product is worth the money, don't buy it.
3. "Constantly changing things for their pocketbooks." To the extent that means "improving products so that we continue to buy them" I agree; to the extent you believe that Apple screws around with their ports to make money on adaptors and "dongles" I believe that's a quasi-paranoid delusion. Apple isn't the most profitable company in the world because they sell a lot of cables and adaptors.
4. Why a lightning port on the iPhone? Because hundreds of millions of people have iPhones with lightning adaptors and an abrupt switch would piss them off (and presumably there are some strong technical reasons as well). I have no doubt that if the first iPhone were coming out tomorrow, it would have USB-C. In this case, you're criticizing Apple for not changing things?
5. The MacBook Pro doesn't have a lightning port. Uh... What would it use one for?
So, yeah, I think your complaints didn't really warrant a point by point rebuttal, because you haven't said anything new or insightful. But by all means, stay here and talk about products you dislike from a company you distrust.
I'm so sick of this analogy between the floppy and 3.5mm jack. It doesn't work.
First, within the Mac community, floppies weren't being used that much anymore, if at all. It wasn't a hardship to not have a floppy. The floppy really was a legacy device. The 3.5mm simply isn't.
Second, an old technology was being replaced with a new superior one. 3.5mm to dongle or AirPod is different, but not necessarily superior. It is inferior in a number of ways.
Floppies were an old technology that wasn't really serving the purpose any longer (anyone remember installing an app that came on a dozen+ floppies?), and moving to CD was a big leap. Going from 3.5mm to Lightning and moving the D/A external isn't really a technological leap (and was possible before dropping the 3.5mm), it's less standard, and it's a mechanically inferior connection. And, technically, the sound quality is actually lower with the new dongle setup.
Or, to put it more simply.... getting rid of the floppy was a technological advancement. Getting rid of the 3.5mm was an, 'Apple gets some space, and moves in Ive's port-less dream direction advancement.' The end-user gained little and lost a lot.
Completely disagree. There were plenty of people who relied on floppy disks when the iMac came out. Many, many people bought floppy drives to go with their iMacs because they were "afraid" of the change (and I expect that many of those were never used or only used a couple times). So dumping the floppy wasn't a no brainer. My computers at work had floppy drives for a decade after that (which I never used).
The 3.5mm jack is a legacy port in the same way the wired Ethernet port is. On some devices it's a great thing; on others it's unnecessary. By "cutting the cord" on the 3.5mm jack on the iPhone, Apple woke up the industry to the wireless future and sped up that transition. Personally, I still have an iPhone 6s, so my phone has a jack. I believe I've used it once in the past year--maybe. I listed to my phone in the shower and car via Bluetooth and everywhere else with my AirPods. It's an excellent experience; I don't miss being physically wired to my device in the least. Wireless audio is the future (that's already here of course), so dumping the 3.5mm headphone jack was a bold ("courageous") move by Apple to move us there a little faster.
I'm so sick of this analogy between the floppy and 3.5mm jack. It doesn't work.
First, within the Mac community, floppies weren't being used that much anymore, if at all. It wasn't a hardship to not have a floppy. The floppy really was a legacy device. The 3.5mm simply isn't.
Second, an old technology was being replaced with a new superior one. 3.5mm to dongle or AirPod is different, but not necessarily superior. It is inferior in a number of ways.
Floppies were an old technology that wasn't really serving the purpose any longer (anyone remember installing an app that came on a dozen+ floppies?), and moving to CD was a big leap. Going from 3.5mm to Lightning and moving the D/A external isn't really a technological leap (and was possible before dropping the 3.5mm), it's less standard, and it's a mechanically inferior connection. And, technically, the sound quality is actually lower with the new dongle setup.
Or, to put it more simply.... getting rid of the floppy was a technological advancement. Getting rid of the 3.5mm was an, 'Apple gets some space, and moves in Ive's port-less dream direction advancement.' The end-user gained little and lost a lot.
Completely disagree. There were plenty of people who relied on floppy disks when the iMac came out. Many, many people bought floppy drives to go with their iMacs because they were "afraid" of the change (and I expect that many of those were never used or only used a couple times). So dumping the floppy wasn't a no brainer. My computers at work had floppy drives for a decade after that (which I never used).
The 3.5mm jack is a legacy port in the same way the wired Ethernet port is. On some devices it's a great thing; on others it's unnecessary. By "cutting the cord" on the 3.5mm jack on the iPhone, Apple woke up the industry to the wireless future and sped up that transition. Personally, I still have an iPhone 6s, so my phone has a jack. I believe I've used it once in the past year--maybe. I listed to my phone in the shower and car via Bluetooth and everywhere else with my AirPods. It's an excellent experience; I don't miss being physically wired to my device in the least. Wireless audio is the future (that's already here of course), so dumping the 3.5mm headphone jack was a bold ("courageous") move by Apple to move us there a little faster.
On top of the missing floppy disc with the iMac, Apple also elected to drop their old I/O (ADB/Serial/SCSI) and just use USB. This also caused the same uproar as Apple switching to only USB-C. Everything then needed and adapter, new cable, dongle, etc. Guess what...we survived and were better for it! Hell, even Apple survived and this was during a time when they were very fragile.
If we don't have companies like Apple to push technology forward, nobody will ever do it. Something can't last forever. I know people have a hard time letting things go for one reason or another, but someone has to push things forward, sometimes even the hard way such as just simply dropping it completely.
Apple did the same thing with the original iPhone...until the original iPhone, all smartphones had a physical keyboard and here comes Apple in with this device thats all touch. Well in case anyone forgot, this didn't go over well with a lot of people. They were up in arms as to why the hell Apple would ever, ever release a phone without a keyboard. And, I'm not just talking about the Steve Ballmer interview either. Guess what...we all survived didn't we! Even Apple did and they bet a very large portion of their company on this succeeding.
I had a 6s until just recently and the only time I used the headphone jack was when working out, but I would have no problem what so ever getting bluetooth earbuds. I have an iPhone 8 Plus now and I forgot the headphone jack was even missing. I can't believe some people are still whining about this. Even a lot of Android phones are now leaving it out.
This article just goes to show that even someone as talented as Ive still makes mistakes now and then!
Removing the home button is a great step forward. An edge to edge screen is also great. But removing the Touch ID feature - which is clearly more convenient than Face ID for many people in many situations - is a design failure.
With a little more effort and a little less arrogance, Jony could have found a way to maintain the Touch ID capabilities while adding Face ID and created a device more suitable for more users - and even allowed the most security conscious users to require both a Face and a Finger to unlock their devices. I would have liked to see the Touch ID sensor enhanced to work from underneath the screen. I assume that’s where they were heading but the technology was just not quite ready yet. I also assume that we will see the Touch ID feature reappear in next years model of the X. As much as I’d like to have the edge to edge screen - I refuse to pay more money for a device that is markedly less convenient and arguably less-secure - so for myself and many of my friends - we’ll be sticking with the “+” models until the X lineup is at least equal in terms of convenience to their siblings. But then again - maybe they won’t care at all - because as long as they keep the “+” lineup going, we’ll still be purchasing new phones every year. It won’t be until they abandon Touch ID completely that some of us will abandon them completely.
Given some strings found in the code, I’d assumed Apple’s goal was to reach “multibiometrics”, Face ID + Touch ID. Then an interview with Dan Riccio revealed that their intention was not to implement both on the same device, and that, since the beginning. As being a non-invasive method, Face ID is obviously better than Touch ID and I get sick of Siri telling me “to unlock my iPhone first”. Touch ID makes “Hey Siri” practically useless. “Hey Siri what? unlock your iPhone first”. That’s a joke... With Face ID, unlocking and “Hey Siri” may happen at the same time.
I purchased a 8 Plus by the way, but not for Touch ID, I preferred the larger display of 8 Plus with the 16:9 aspect ratio more convenient for landscape use.
“Strings found in the code” doesn’t mean Apple was to have FaceID and TouchID on the same phone. It means that the same operating system is used for phones that support one or the other – as in Apple’s current lineup.
And let's get real. The iPhone X doesn't have Touch ID not because Apple is moving on to new and better technology, but because they couldn't make it work on the full-size screen. Anything else out of Ive's mouth is just a b.s. rationalization.
Apple bought the first sensor company about five years ago. That is how long they’ve been working on FaceID. It’s taken them that long (and a couple more companies purchases) to shrink the tech down from a unit that was hard to balance on a TV set, to something that could be embedded in a phone. Not to mention the purchase of face recognition expertise and a chunk of Hollywood makeup artists for testing.
Five years.
And that sounds like someone hitting the emergency switch to you? Get past your butthurt and think it through.
Sorry, but TouchID was the PlanB – something that paved the road for biometrics until they got FaceID working.
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I purchased a 8 Plus by the way, but not for Touch ID, I preferred the larger display of 8 Plus with the 16:9 aspect ratio more convenient for landscape use.
And let's get real. The iPhone X doesn't have Touch ID not because Apple is moving on to new and better technology, but because they couldn't make it work on the full-size screen. Anything else out of Ive's mouth is just a b.s. rationalization.
Fortunately, Apple is not your average tech company, and it’s execs are far more thoughtful than average tech execs.
It does take a certain amount of courage to make big changes when millions upon millions of your customers have become used to a certain technology or way of doing things. The Apple team gets this and that’s why they say it.
http://mashable.com/2017/10/31/how-apple-built-the-iphone-x/#N1efpaPUvSqH
First, within the Mac community, floppies weren't being used that much anymore, if at all. It wasn't a hardship to not have a floppy. The floppy really was a legacy device. The 3.5mm simply isn't.
Second, an old technology was being replaced with a new superior one. 3.5mm to dongle or AirPod is different, but not necessarily superior. It is inferior in a number of ways.
Floppies were an old technology that wasn't really serving the purpose any longer (anyone remember installing an app that came on a dozen+ floppies?), and moving to CD was a big leap. Going from 3.5mm to Lightning and moving the D/A external isn't really a technological leap (and was possible before dropping the 3.5mm), it's less standard, and it's a mechanically inferior connection. And, technically, the sound quality is actually lower with the new dongle setup.
Or, to put it more simply.... getting rid of the floppy was a technological advancement. Getting rid of the 3.5mm was an, 'Apple gets some space, and moves in Ive's port-less dream direction advancement.' The end-user gained little and lost a lot.
Your right the analogy doesn't work because just like me almost every Mac user bought a external floppy drive. Losing the 3.5 mm was free and i don't miss it at all. Know a lot of 7 users never hear them complaining. The ones that complain are mostly Fandroids.
You're telling us to "vote with our wallets" and not buy Apple stuff because it's too expensive and Apple is screwing us. Since I already am voting with my wallet by buying the Apple products that I love/want (and not buying those that I don't need/want), that advice isn't helpful. My turning that back on you to suggest that you waste less of your valuable time discussing products that you don't value from a company that "sickens" you is hardly "insulting."
But ok, let's address your points specifically.
1. Yes Jony's interview wasn't very enlightening, because it's the Apple party line (I said this already in the first post on this article).
2. I, and millions of consumers, disagree that Apple products are "too expensive." As a consumer would I like them to lower their margins so I get a better deal? Sure, but that's true for every product I can think of. You're absolutely right: if you don't believe the product is worth the money, don't buy it.
3. "Constantly changing things for their pocketbooks." To the extent that means "improving products so that we continue to buy them" I agree; to the extent you believe that Apple screws around with their ports to make money on adaptors and "dongles" I believe that's a quasi-paranoid delusion. Apple isn't the most profitable company in the world because they sell a lot of cables and adaptors.
4. Why a lightning port on the iPhone? Because hundreds of millions of people have iPhones with lightning adaptors and an abrupt switch would piss them off (and presumably there are some strong technical reasons as well). I have no doubt that if the first iPhone were coming out tomorrow, it would have USB-C. In this case, you're criticizing Apple for not changing things?
5. The MacBook Pro doesn't have a lightning port. Uh... What would it use one for?
So, yeah, I think your complaints didn't really warrant a point by point rebuttal, because you haven't said anything new or insightful. But by all means, stay here and talk about products you dislike from a company you distrust.
Completely disagree. There were plenty of people who relied on floppy disks when the iMac came out. Many, many people bought floppy drives to go with their iMacs because they were "afraid" of the change (and I expect that many of those were never used or only used a couple times). So dumping the floppy wasn't a no brainer. My computers at work had floppy drives for a decade after that (which I never used).
The 3.5mm jack is a legacy port in the same way the wired Ethernet port is. On some devices it's a great thing; on others it's unnecessary. By "cutting the cord" on the 3.5mm jack on the iPhone, Apple woke up the industry to the wireless future and sped up that transition. Personally, I still have an iPhone 6s, so my phone has a jack. I believe I've used it once in the past year--maybe. I listed to my phone in the shower and car via Bluetooth and everywhere else with my AirPods. It's an excellent experience; I don't miss being physically wired to my device in the least. Wireless audio is the future (that's already here of course), so dumping the 3.5mm headphone jack was a bold ("courageous") move by Apple to move us there a little faster.
If we don't have companies like Apple to push technology forward, nobody will ever do it. Something can't last forever. I know people have a hard time letting things go for one reason or another, but someone has to push things forward, sometimes even the hard way such as just simply dropping it completely.
Apple did the same thing with the original iPhone...until the original iPhone, all smartphones had a physical keyboard and here comes Apple in with this device thats all touch. Well in case anyone forgot, this didn't go over well with a lot of people. They were up in arms as to why the hell Apple would ever, ever release a phone without a keyboard. And, I'm not just talking about the Steve Ballmer interview either. Guess what...we all survived didn't we! Even Apple did and they bet a very large portion of their company on this succeeding.
I had a 6s until just recently and the only time I used the headphone jack was when working out, but I would have no problem what so ever getting bluetooth earbuds. I have an iPhone 8 Plus now and I forgot the headphone jack was even missing. I can't believe some people are still whining about this. Even a lot of Android phones are now leaving it out.
It means that the same operating system is used for phones that support one or the other – as in Apple’s current lineup.
So you keep saying.
Five years.
And that sounds like someone hitting the emergency switch to you? Get past your butthurt and think it through.
Sorry, but TouchID was the PlanB – something that paved the road for biometrics until they got FaceID working.