Updating to latest macOS 10.13.1 disables Apple's 'root' bug patch

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  • Reply 21 of 32
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    Soli said:
    When is Apple going to release bug-free software?

    I can't image that ever happening.
    Me neither, I was being over the top, so to speak. But I do think they need to do a better job in the QA dept (or wherever). I understand that while Date & Time seems easy, allegedly it's not. But there have been so many problems, for so many companies to get Date & Time right...I wouldn't hold my breath for these bugs to become a thing of the past.

    Leap-year bug

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1335457?start=0&tstart=0

    Zune chokes on leap-year bug

    https://www.macworld.com/article/1137846/zunebug.html

    Yes, Microsoft Azure Was Downed By Leap-Year Bug

    https://www.wired.com/2012/03/azure-leap-year-bug/

    Apple promises a fix for iPhone bricking stemming from date and time bug

    http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/02/15/apple-fix-iphone-bricking-date-time-bug/

    iCloud time zone bug / Calendar mismatch with PC time zone

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3409043?start=30&tstart=0


    Well, don’t forget the Y2K bug that was going to end civilization as we knew it...  but didn’t.
    Soli
  • Reply 22 of 32
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 2,952member
    Feeling rather vindicated right now that waiting 6mo to a year on this 'upgrade' was a good choice.
  • Reply 23 of 32
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    Yup. More proof that the "bug fix" was a slapdash act of Apple sticking their finger in the hole and not actually repairing the code that is responsible for it. 
  • Reply 24 of 32
    This is a completely bogus story. If I  install , say, windows 10 from a DVD, I will get a huge raft of patches once I  connect to the internet. Similarly the user who installs 10.13.1 will almost immediately be auto patched by Apple with the security update. 10.13.2 will be along shortly.  This is just how it works. 
  • Reply 25 of 32
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,038member
    loopless said:
    This is a completely bogus story. If I  install , say, windows 10 from a DVD, I will get a huge raft of patches once I  connect to the internet. Similarly the user who installs 10.13.1 will almost immediately be auto patched by Apple with the security update. 10.13.2 will be along shortly.  This is just how it works. 
    Those are very different scenarios since a physical installers have to be finalized, then sent to a factory to be mass produced into their physical media form, packaged up, sent to retailers, and then sold. You're likely talking weeks or even months in-between.
  • Reply 26 of 32
    ben20ben20 Posts: 126member
    Sounds like the good old Microsoft days.....not upgrading my devices! Do your beta testing!!!
  • Reply 27 of 32
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    So, what's wrong with that? The update and the bug both work as expected. One will install 10.13.1 first, then install Security Update 2017-001 over that, else macOS will already automatically install the security update on 10.13.1. Apple should stick to the released build number and should not distribute the "corrected" one with a different build number: that would create huge confusions among users and support staff. This is how it works in Windows or other software too.
    I think  that is correct. 10.13.1 does not include the fix, 10.13.1 + security fix does. 
  • Reply 28 of 32
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    lkrupp said:
    Soli said:
    When is Apple going to release bug-free software?

    I can't image that ever happening.
    Me neither, I was being over the top, so to speak. But I do think they need to do a better job in the QA dept (or wherever). I understand that while Date & Time seems easy, allegedly it's not. But there have been so many problems, for so many companies to get Date & Time right...I wouldn't hold my breath for these bugs to become a thing of the past.

    Leap-year bug

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1335457?start=0&tstart=0

    Zune chokes on leap-year bug

    https://www.macworld.com/article/1137846/zunebug.html

    Yes, Microsoft Azure Was Downed By Leap-Year Bug

    https://www.wired.com/2012/03/azure-leap-year-bug/

    Apple promises a fix for iPhone bricking stemming from date and time bug

    http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/02/15/apple-fix-iphone-bricking-date-time-bug/

    iCloud time zone bug / Calendar mismatch with PC time zone

    https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3409043?start=30&tstart=0


    Well, don’t forget the Y2K bug that was going to end civilization as we knew it...  but didn’t.
    It didnt because it was fixed. 
    cgWerksspheric
  • Reply 29 of 32
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member

    Soli said:
    loopless said:
    This is a completely bogus story. If I  install , say, windows 10 from a DVD, I will get a huge raft of patches once I  connect to the internet. Similarly the user who installs 10.13.1 will almost immediately be auto patched by Apple with the security update. 10.13.2 will be along shortly.  This is just how it works. 
    Those are very different scenarios since a physical installers have to be finalized, then sent to a factory to be mass produced into their physical media form, packaged up, sent to retailers, and then sold. You're likely talking weeks or even months in-between.
    Soli said:
    loopless said:
    This is a completely bogus story. If I  install , say, windows 10 from a DVD, I will get a huge raft of patches once I  connect to the internet. Similarly the user who installs 10.13.1 will almost immediately be auto patched by Apple with the security update. 10.13.2 will be along shortly.  This is just how it works. 
    Those are very different scenarios since a physical installers have to be finalized, then sent to a factory to be mass produced into their physical media form, packaged up, sent to retailers, and then sold. You're likely talking weeks or even months in-between.
    But the security upgrade is obligatory right? Am I right?
  • Reply 30 of 32
    I may be too cautious, having worked with both IBM and Microsoft software for 32+ years, so I generally wait 4-6 months after a 10.xx.yy update before updating my home MacBook Pro. Usually, I'll wait at least for the MacOS 10.xx.2 before updating (I've taken too many arrows to the back with the former-mentioned companies).
  • Reply 31 of 32
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 2,952member
    I may be too cautious, having worked with both IBM and Microsoft software for 32+ years, so I generally wait 4-6 months after a 10.xx.yy update before updating my home MacBook Pro. Usually, I'll wait at least for the MacOS 10.xx.2 before updating (I've taken too many arrows to the back with the former-mentioned companies).
    While I know the past hasn't been flawless. I used to update relatively quickly... within weeks to a couple of months. Now, I typically wait 6 mo minimum. I might wait a year this time... we'll see. Unless I've just had bad luck the last 4 to 5 years, Mac OS quality has dropped a good bit... and the length of time to relative stability (after a major point release) increased.
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