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  • Reply 21 of 64
    JFC_PA said:
    Possible I suppose: Bluetooth has a useable range. 
    It's fairly easy to extend the reach of both bluetooth and wifi by using directional antennas.

    Unless the embassy actually employs tools like anti-wifi wallpaper (it's a thing, has been for years), or is built like a bunker (like an old stone building, with thick walls), it'd be very easy to make sure that the watch is able to connect to an outside phone.

    Technically it could be as simple as placing the receiving phone in a wok aimed at his location (and then you hide it all in a totebag, to not draw attention while waiting outside).

    That's assuming a very amateurish approach. If they had any sort of backing by "specialists" it becomes very trivial to get information out of any embassy (except specially shielded areas, but they'd still get information just knowing when and how he was taken into such an area). Heck, just to make the counterintelligence people happy they even could have gotten the local phone company to switch on support for just his esim lte watch; to not reveal any other ways they are employing to spy on this particular embassy.
    rossb2
  • Reply 22 of 64
    Typical...not to sound too cynical...but as you look around the world, (all hemispheres), there are no real wars left.

    Except in the Middle East!
    .....
    Islam needs a Reformation. Similar to what happened to Christendom in the 16th century. (You know, where God told us to burn more Catholics b/c it was 'cold' outside!)  s/
    They have OIL and the West can't help themselves but to continue to meddle and stir in the region. Two Iraq wars, endless supply of weapons and military expertise to Israel for decades, the support of Middle Eastern dictators (Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussain of Iraq etc). Whilst it's hard to understand the sectarian conflicts amongst the various Middle Eastern countries, the West is hardly without liabilities with its divide and conquer strategy.
    cornchipmac_dogradarthekatCarnage
  • Reply 23 of 64
    lenn said:
    If CNN reported that water is wet I wouldn't believe them. CNN like most other American "news" outlets are in business to make money and create controversy so more people will watch them and their advertisers content. The Washington Post is the same.
    Hmmm. You make good points.

    Certainly, having news organizations owned by 'entertainment' or other corporations is deleterious to good news reporting and one could argue, democracy in general.

    We would all be better served if we didn't watch either FoxNews or MSNBC. I agree they are pugilists and provocateurs.

    One could make the argument not to watch TV altogether. (Except Fareed Zakaria's GPS on CNN- the best and most intelligent news show on television.)

    Essentially, we should read more.

    Here's an idea...

    Start with Time Magazine and if you think it's a bit biased, take out a subscription to the WSJ or the Economist and read that as well.

    Then take an empirical approach to understanding the problems confronting the world, instead of, parroting an opinion of the last person you spoke to. 

    P.S. Thomas Jefferson said, he'd prefer "newspapers w/o government" over "government w/o newspapers." (ca 1787)

    Gives one pause. Or it should.

    Best.
    You are awesome!!!
    redgeminipa
  • Reply 24 of 64
    Typical...not to sound too cynical...but as you look around the world, (all hemispheres), there are no real wars left.

    Except in the Middle East!

    Yes, there are regional problems, as with the Royhinga in Myanmar, whatever is going on in the Philippines and, of course, Crimea/Ukraine.

    Only the Middle East continues to be an area of the world that has not obliged itself of the success as have the emerging markets of India, Brazil, China, Africa, Vietnam, etc., etc.

    E.g., China, a country of ~1.4 billion people has lifted half their population out of poverty and had ~10% growth in GDP (YOY) for the last 30 years...(Down to ~7% growth, currently, I think?)

    Islam needs a Reformation. Similar to what happened to Christendom in the 16th century. (You know, where God told us to burn more Catholics b/c it was 'cold' outside!)  s/

    Oh well, don't mean to sound like I know everything...


    Saudi Arabia is not our friend! They're too concerned with fighting a 2,500 year old regional war with 'Persia' (i.e., Iran)

     :)

    P.S. Why is 'Arabia' at war with 'Persia' you might ask? Yes, Arabia are Sunni Muslims, and Persia are Shia Muslims. But, one sect believes the caliphate should be a direct descendent of the Prophet Muhammad and one sect doesn't. Are you f'ing kidding me!  'Que so what, so what' or better yet, 'Inshallah.'
    Religion is a convenient excuse to be able to blame rather than actual political motives and money and power.  It’s convenient because you can criticize one nice wrapped up boogeyman.   The reality is the power brokers in the world aren’t doing it cause of faith.  The west hasn’t propped up Saudi cause they love their religion or hate their religion.  Unrest in the Middle East is largely due to world war 2 distribution of land by the reformation west and the various tyrants they put in their authoritarian posts.  Most of these “Kings” background was from the most uneducated scum of the planet.  But hey, easy to control. 
    radarthekat
  • Reply 25 of 64
    dipdog3 said:
    He didn’t take his iPhone inside with him, he left it outside with his fiancée. 

    Since cellular Watches aren’t available in Turkey, he must have been connected to WiFi to get the data out, unless they recovered the watch (which would contradict the “his is missing” story)
    Khashoggi was a resident of the US, hence entirely possible he had purchased his iPhone and Apple Watch in the US.
    rossb2cornchip
  • Reply 26 of 64
    Appleish said:
    We invaded the wrong country after 9/11. Bloodthirsty Saudi Arabia had their fingers all over it.
    the US dont need to invade Saudi. Their economy is not doing so well. Sanctions would ruin them. Significant pressure can be put on the government without firing a shot.

    Have a look at https://www.forbes.com/sites/ellenrwald/2018/07/25/signs-point-to-trouble-ahead-for-saudi-economy/#3a94d757635d
    70% of people there work for the government, falling oil prices damaged them, plus the state is trying to stop people moving money out of the country, which in turn is scaring away foreign investors. 


  • Reply 27 of 64
    lenn said:
    If CNN reported that water is wet I wouldn't believe them. CNN like most other American "news" outlets are in business to make money and create controversy so more people will watch them and their advertisers content. The Washington Post is the same.


    Is it anything like Trump saying hurricanes are "wet, very wet, with lots of water"?

    If you believe Faux "News" is true and accurate, then you have no clue what's really going on in the world around you. Go back under your rock. 

    In all honesty, ALL major "news" media outlets are terrible. They're all run by various parts of government, and NOBODY should be watching ANY of them. 
    cornchipradarthekat
  • Reply 28 of 64
    roakeroake Posts: 638member
    lenn said:
    If CNN reported that water is wet I wouldn't believe them. CNN like most other American "news" outlets are in business to make money and create controversy so more people will watch them and their advertisers content. The Washington Post is the same.


    Is it anything like Trump saying hurricanes are "wet, very wet, with lots of water"?

    If you believe Faux "News" is true and accurate, then you have no clue what's really going on in the world around you. Go back under your rock. 

    In all honesty, ALL major "news" media outlets are terrible. They're all run by various parts of government, and NOBODY should be watching ANY of them. 
    You are very odd.
  • Reply 29 of 64
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 4,455member
    lenn said:
    If CNN reported that water is wet I wouldn't believe them. CNN like most other American "news" outlets are in business to make money and create controversy so more people will watch them and their advertisers content. The Washington Post is the same.


    That's true!  (If you believe the propaganda from right wing so called "news"!)

    "Don't believe anything you see!   Don't believe anything you hear!" (unless comes from me!)"
    StrangeDays
  • Reply 30 of 64
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 4,455member
    lenn said:
    If CNN reported that water is wet I wouldn't believe them. CNN like most other American "news" outlets are in business to make money and create controversy so more people will watch them and their advertisers content. The Washington Post is the same.


    This is, of course, complete horseshit. 
    Unnecessarily dismissive and does very little to forward your argument.

    No offense, of course. :)
    There's no sense debating nonsense claims. 
    Better to just call bull to the bull.
    StrangeDays
  • Reply 31 of 64
    aplnubaplnub Posts: 2,586member
    Just Press Record is one example of an app that would be able to record the audio and sync it to the cloud. Still, the watch has to be in range of a wifi, cellular or iPhone to get a connection to sync it to the cloud.
  • Reply 32 of 64
    leptonlepton Posts: 111member
    One possibility: The app "Just Press Record" records audio on the watch and syncs with the paired iPhoneon the fly.
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 33 of 64
    mike54mike54 Posts: 328member
    lenn said:
    If CNN reported that water is wet I wouldn't believe them. CNN like most other American "news" outlets are in business to make money and create controversy so more people will watch them and their advertisers content. The Washington Post is the same.


    Very true. And the same with Wall Street Journal, New York Times, Bloomberg, and others.
  • Reply 34 of 64
    I carry 2 iPhones every day and have an Apple Watch. One phone is for work and only contains work related items; the other is personal. I agree there are some holes in the article, but getting the file to iCloud over WiFi, Bluetooth or the like is plausible. I agree from the photos that, if public WiFi was not available, his watch may have made it to being in range of his iPhone. It is possible that his work / second iPhone was with him, or he is smart to only bring an iPhone with him for dangerous settings that does not reveal personal details about family or incriminating evidence from the sources he interviews. 

    One other thought: he was in the US before Turkey. How do we know for certain that he didn’t have a cellular capable Apple Watch that he purchased in the US and it somehow was on a cellular network in Turkey after all?  Just because it isn’t sold there doesn’t mean that the infrastructure isn’t there. Perhaps it was spoofed to look like a phone rather than an Apple Watch on cellular. Also, how do we know for sure that a cellular watch purchased in the   US can’t be used on a network in Turkey as part of a roaming plan? This guy knew that entering this Saudi building in Turkey was the most dangerous thing he would probably ever do. I have to think that he would make creative preparations with what he knew about his government. Yep - I know this is the least likely option. 
    edited October 2018
  • Reply 35 of 64
    First of all we are reading propaganda coming from governments with an agenda. Second of all, we are dealing with “The Craft”, otherwise known as the international espionage / spy game. 

    Lastly, the reporter has a long history with the Muslim Brotherhood which is very much opposed to the Saudi regime, especially with the new reforms the Millennial Crown Prince is pursuing. 

    You really cannot believe anything we read in the papers. The real truth will never be known. 

    Is it possible this reporter was tortured and executed? Most assuredly, if you look into his background and history. The man had a huge target on his head. Were there a whole lot of reasons for him to be targeted? Well, what’s public versus what the intelligence agencies know are two different things. But looking at what is public knowledge certainly draws a clear picture that he was a serious enemy of the Saudi Royal Crown Prince and not just because of his journalism. He was definitely playing dangerous games. Which makes it very risky to waltz into the Saudi Consolate in Turkey.  

    Wheres his body? He could have been liquified and quite literally flushed into the Turkish sewer system. 

    Do I buy an Apple Watch recording? Well it is possible although highly unlikely. Would Turkey release the audio as a PR stunt?

    What Trump says publicly vs what is said behind closed doors?  The Muslim Brotherhood is also America’s enemy. 

    Far too many questions and no details.
  • Reply 36 of 64
    One would think a Consolate / Embassy would have some serious eavesdropping prevention including a Faraday cage, etc. no radio signals leaving the building. Public WiFi? Doubt it. Would be remarkably dumb. Bluetooth? Uh, nope.  Various signal jammers and portions of the building being highly secure (S.C.I.F). 

    I don’t buy the story. 
  • Reply 37 of 64
    Although the story seems complex, I strongly believe that the truth will be uncovered soon enough. It's possible for the Applewatch to synch with the consulate Wi-Fi and get auto transmit to his iPhone or even to his iCloud account. 

    If Saudi government are innocent of this very crime, I would expect to see a swift response to the demands and claims of Turkish government purporting "possession of audio evidence of Khasoggi's execution - from his smart watch, and of course access to the consulate." 

    One thing is certain, both the accused and the accuser have some sort of "?"

  • Reply 38 of 64
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,427member
    One thing’s for sure ... no more Apple Watches allowed in the White House ...
    anantksundaramGeorgeBMacradarthekat
  • Reply 39 of 64

    Is it possible this reporter was tortured and executed? Most assuredly, if you look into his background and history. The man had a huge target on his head. Were there a whole lot of reasons for him to be targeted? Well, what’s public versus what the intelligence agencies know are two different things. But looking at what is public knowledge certainly draws a clear picture that he was a serious enemy of the Saudi Royal Crown Prince and not just because of his journalism. He was definitely playing dangerous games. Which makes it very risky to waltz into the Saudi Consolate in Turkey.  
    That sounds a lot like victim blaming. What evidence do you offer that he was an enemy combatant?
    fastasleep
  • Reply 40 of 64
    wigbywigby Posts: 689member
    lenn said:
    If CNN reported that water is wet I wouldn't believe them. CNN like most other American "news" outlets are in business to make money and create controversy so more people will watch them and their advertisers content. The Washington Post is the same.


    If your theory was true, CNN would be following the money and rolling in it. They are not. They are a business but run through journalistic interests which never pans out into real dollars. This is because journalists are always inclined to uncover and report on corruption from the ones in power, the real corrupt moneymakers. But even if you decide not to believe the real reasons, the fact that Trump claims that only Fox is the real news and every other organization critical of him is fake news should be enough for you.
    christopher126deminsdGeorgeBMacradarthekatfastasleep
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