You don't think maybe they could spend some money on a better? Maybe something that lasts a little longer? iPhone batteries die pretty early in in any very tests.
On the screen - from the outside, it looks like iPhone XR is running a screen from 2013. It can't do FullHD - you reckon this is all the eye can see? There is no need for anything higher?
And I have another question ... These fancy high end chips that are years ahead of the competition - that's benchmarks right? So, cross platform benchmarking? Two totally different OSs?
I can take my Intel i5 and run the same benchmark using three OSs ... With different results. An OS plays a huge difference in the numbers you see on screen benchmarks. So, um, I do find the claims in this super chip unrealistic
Lastly, I use a iPhone X as my work phone every 2nd weekend. It's not a bad phone but it isn't my take home phone. However, real world speed of it and my Huawei are really kinda the same.
Who here has actually used the Huawei? I know you all think I'm trolling, but from the comments I've seen here, I'm actually one of the few with valid statements.
You don't think maybe they could spend some money on a better? Maybe something that lasts a little longer? iPhone batteries die pretty early in in any very tests.
On the screen - from the outside, it looks like iPhone XR is running a screen from 2013. It can't do FullHD - you reckon this is all the eye can see? There is no need for anything higher?
Sorry, but I feel you're speaking in ignorance. iOS devices already do last longer -- they have the longest useful lifespan, as well as the highest resale value. This is a fact. The knockoffs end up as drawer-warmers. The batteries in iOS devices are the same li-ion in the others, and have the same lifespan of charge cycles. Nothing can change that, for anyone.
As for the screen, you're mistaken. Running "full HD" on a phone is stupid and a waste of GPU resources, as there is little valuable benefit vs the cost of processing and battery. It's likely one reason why the knockoffs are still jittery and laggy compared to iOS.
And I have another question ... These fancy high end chips that are years ahead of the competition - that's benchmarks right? So, cross platform benchmarking? Two totally different OSs?
I can take my Intel i5 and run the same benchmark using three OSs ... With different results. An OS plays a huge difference in the numbers you see on screen benchmarks. So, um, I do find the claims in this super chip unrealistic
Lastly, I use a iPhone X as my work phone every 2nd weekend. It's not a bad phone but it isn't my take home phone. However, real world speed of it and my Huawei are really kinda the same.
Who here has actually used the Huawei? I know you all think I'm trolling, but from the comments I've seen here, I'm actually one of the few with valid statements.
No offense, but I think you have an over-inflated sense of your knowledge and expertise on these devices, based on your comments about the A12 being "just the same" as the chinese knockoffs, your battery claims, your apparent ignorance of re-sale values, and chiding iPhones for not having full HD.
And I have another question ... These fancy high end chips that are years ahead of the competition - that's benchmarks right? So, cross platform benchmarking? Two totally different OSs?
I can take my Intel i5 and run the same benchmark using three OSs ... With different results. An OS plays a huge difference in the numbers you see on screen benchmarks. So, um, I do find the claims in this super chip unrealistic
Lastly, I use a iPhone X as my work phone every 2nd weekend. It's not a bad phone but it isn't my take home phone. However, real world speed of it and my Huawei are really kinda the same.
Who here has actually used the Huawei? I know you all think I'm trolling, but from the comments I've seen here, I'm actually one of the few with valid statements.
Silliness. We can talk benchmarks if you want. YES, some benchmarks are cross platform. I can educate your ignorance if you want.
Real world speed test? Nah, just play a demanding game or use a demanding app (video editor). For example, Fortnite recently announced that it runs at 60 FPS on XS and XR. Android is max at 30.
Your Huawei has crappy GPU from Mali. Not even close to Apple or Qualcomm.
You with valid statements? Dude, your “statements” have been debunked at every corner!
You don't think maybe they could spend some money on a better? Maybe something that lasts a little longer? iPhone batteries die pretty early in in any very tests.
On the screen - from the outside, it looks like iPhone XR is running a screen from 2013. It can't do FullHD - you reckon this is all the eye can see? There is no need for anything higher?
“The iPhone X and the iPhone Xs both receive A+ ratings: It has a stellar manual brightness range without utilizing high brightness mode, zero black clipping over its 8-bit intensity range, smart PWM control, the best color accuracy we have measured, good gamma control, and excellent color management with an OS that utilizes wide color. These very noticeable and experience-affecting differences allow it to pull ahead of the Note 9 based on the qualities of the display and how its software handles it....”
And I have another question ... These fancy high end chips that are years ahead of the competition - that's benchmarks right? So, cross platform benchmarking? Two totally different OSs?
I can take my Intel i5 and run the same benchmark using three OSs ... With different results. An OS plays a huge difference in the numbers you see on screen benchmarks. So, um, I do find the claims in this super chip unrealistic
Lastly, I use a iPhone X as my work phone every 2nd weekend. It's not a bad phone but it isn't my take home phone. However, real world speed of it and my Huawei are really kinda the same.
Who here has actually used the Huawei? I know you all think I'm trolling, but from the comments I've seen here, I'm actually one of the few with valid statements.
Dude, this is an Apple oriented site; why would you expect any of us to want use a Huawei, excepting you and Avon B7 evidently?
First Qualcomm couldn't keep up in the smartwatch chip race and stopped updating on a yearly basis.
Now multiple vendors are challenging Qualcomm's modem chips. QC cannot afford to skip a year. Having the first 5G modem chip won't be enough, especially when 5G won't benefit anyone in 2019.
And a settlement with Apple awaits. 2019 could be brutal to QC.
I'd like to see Apple buy the modem engineers (a la PA Semi) to complete the vertical chip integration.
I do want to say something different, that 855 may have a chance go neck-to-neck at multi-core performance against A12. Single-Core is getting bottlenecked, every major player are moving to multi-cores.
Unless Geekbench sucks so bad, that their multi-core benchmark doesn’t count, iPhone never leads over Android until A11.
I do want to say something different, that 855 may have a chance go neck-to-neck at multi-core performance against A12. Single-Core is getting bottlenecked, every major player are moving to multi-cores.
Unless Geekbench sucks so bad, that their multi-core benchmark doesn’t count, iPhone never leads over Android until A11.
True...but remember, A12 only has 6 cores...with 2 big cores and 4 small ones. The 855 has 8 cores total...1 high speed big core, 3 big cores, and 4 smaller cores.
So, with 4 big cores (one of which in overdrive) vs. 2 big, you would expect that multi-core benchmark will at least match A12!
I doubt that 855 will match A12 power efficiency. From Anandtech: “One big uncertaintly that I have is in regards to the CPU configuration. Here at first I thought the 1+3 configuration seemed reasonable, however the disclosure that the different cores are running on the same power/voltage plane has given me some doubts about how this will pan out in terms of power efficiency. Power efficiency of the CPU and the SoC in general use-cases seems to be something that Qualcomm hasn’t talked about at all today and this worries me quite a bit.”
Speaking of Qualcomm, they just announced their 1st SoC designed from the ground-up for laptop PC's, fabbed on 7nm technology.
New Kyro 495 processor, the fastest ever built by Qualcomm. 2x more transistors, and 2x memory bandwidth for faster performance. It’s 3.6x faster than the Snapdragon 835
A larger cache than previous platforms allowing for faster multi-tasking
New Adreno 680 GPU designed to offer 2x boost in graphics performance
Supports two 4K external displays at a time
2nd gen HDR playback
New AI engine with Hexagon 685 DSP, combined with enhanced support for Alexa and Cortana with Qualcomm’s Aqstic technology
Qualcomm Quick Charge 4+ tech support for faster charging of your device
Snapdragon X24 LTE modem bringing speeds of up to 2Gbps
Support for Windows 10 Enterprise for the first time, as well as Pro and Home
Yawn. Shipping in Q3 2019. Literally a month or two before the A13/A13X. Another Qualcomm processor that’ll lag behind Apple.
I really hope Apple introduces an A13X powered MacBook. Apple is at the point now where their own processors can eliminate Intel in a lot of devices. And with their tight integration of hardware/software they will easily outperform Windows on ARM.
Qualcomm has done a wonderful job. I totally sense why this article is written. I am eagarly waiting for new devices with snapdragon 855. Would like to see comparison with iphone XS.
Won't even come close.
It’ll very likely come close or match in certain tests. It might even beat the A12 in something. And those results will be cherry-picked and talked about as if they’re the most important.
I think Apple need to start spending money elsewhere, tbh.
They have this amazing fast chip - but lack on everything else?
Maybe beef up that camera ... or a larger battery ... or change the charging system ... up the screen resolutions ... do something! In real world user experience, there's little between the A11/A12 and the flagship Androids.
buy Tesla and shake the damn GMs, Audi, BMWs of the world
Qualcomm has done a wonderful job. I totally sense why this article is written. I am eagarly waiting for new devices with snapdragon 855. Would like to see comparison with iphone XS.
Won't even come close.
It’ll very likely come close or match in certain tests. It might even beat the A12 in something. And those results will be cherry-picked and talked about as if they’re the most important.
A12 will easily beat the 855 overall.
The only meaningful area I can see it beating Apple is in sustained graphics performance:
It's worth noting that these tests are also on devices with outdated Vulkan drivers that in some cases perform worse than their OpenGL ES counterpart.
Most benchmarks show Apple with a monstrous lead, of course that performance can't be sustained for very long. In some cases it can't even be sustained for the duration of the benchmark, hence a peak performance that lands rather close to the sustained performance (the complete opposite of the benchmark above):
Qualcomm has done a wonderful job. I totally sense why this article is written. I am eagarly waiting for new devices with snapdragon 855. Would like to see comparison with iphone XS.
Won't even come close.
It’ll very likely come close or match in certain tests. It might even beat the A12 in something. And those results will be cherry-picked and talked about as if they’re the most important.
A12 will easily beat the 855 overall.
The only meaningful area I can see it beating Apple is in sustained graphics performance:
It's worth noting that these tests are also on devices with outdated Vulkan drivers that in some cases perform worse than their OpenGL ES counterpart.
Most benchmarks show Apple with a monstrous lead, of course that performance can't be sustained for very long. In some cases it can't even be sustained for the duration of the benchmark, hence a peak performance that lands rather close to the sustained performance (the complete opposite of the benchmark above):
Still up to your deceitful ways I see.
You failed to mention the "bug" with 3DMark where the A12 GPU "crashes" when the iPhone XS is cool, because the GPU ramps up to very high power levels. They could only complete the test AFTER they ran several tests to get the A12 to heat up to such a point that the test starts with a lower GPU frequency.
In essence, the entire test is run on an iPhone/A12 that's ALREADY warm enough to force the GPU to run slower. And it still performs well.
Further, you have to add the obligatory "outdated Vulkan drivers" comment to imply they Android devices would be even faster if they ran optimized code - the usual fallback for the losing team. "If only we had our star player." Funny how you mention the Vulkan drivers but ignore the issue with 3DMark and the A12 GPU ramping up too quickly. I wonder what the scores would be when that issue gets fixed and they can run the A12 when it's cool (instead of starting the test when it's hot).
When we look at the Aztec tests (which are a better GPU benchmark) the A12 is so far ahead of the 845 that the SUSTAINED (throttled) performance of the A12 is higher than the PEAK (un-throttled) performance of the 845.
So I don't see where you're getting your "beaten in sustained performance" from considering the benchmarks clearly show otherwise. To sum up:
"Other than the thermal and peak performance considerations, the iPhone XS and XS Max, thanks to the new A12 SoC, showcase industry leading performance and efficiency, and currently are the best mobile platforms for gaming, period."
Qualcomm has stated the 855 GPU is 20% faster than the 845. If that's the case it still won't catch the A12.
@StrangeDays You're really trying to say I'm ignorant and a false sense of my knowledge? With no disrespect intended here, I've knocked every claim that anyone has on here ? And I'm talking facts here - this battery argument is great example.
I don\t think there is a single review out there that agrees with you I thought I'd found person on here that could actually debate and had knowledge, you you kinda killed it all with that statement. With respect, I think *you* need up to up your knowledge.
While we're on the battery, my Mate 20 Pro has a 40w wired charger and 15w wireless charger. That's 100|% (yes - double!) the iPhone and my wireless charging is only marginally slower than the iPhones wired charging system. I get 70% wired charge in 30 minutes - that's 2,940mAh. That's something like a full iPhone charge in 20 minutes ...
And if you're thinking that'll damage the battery or make it unsafe? The Huwaei Mate 20 Pro battery is certified by TÜV Rheinland - only the 2nd battery in the world that has gone through the certification process (the first, incidentally, was Huawi P20Pro) So - going back to my main question ... maybe Apple could spend some money beefing up the battery? Either the capacity, or charging speeds or something that can make it match up?
@StrangeDays Your argument about the low resolution screen is something that every Apple users has said from 2007.
So basically - any lower than 1,792 x 828 and you'll see the difference? And any higher, you'll put added strain on the battery (which already battles) and GPU? So Apple called it, again? Just right? Such an amazing company, this
But next year when they up this resolution, you'll be sitting in the front row of the Keynote and think 'revolutionary!' ...
PS We're used to this loop after 10+ years. Apple launches something late and while they don't have it, none of their users want it ... until Apple tells them they do.
A cross platform benchmark isn't dead accurate. I've already told you why and given an example - unsure why you're missing it?
My i5 at home, I can install Linux and run a benchmark - let's say I get 12,000 little numbers on the screen. I now install Windows 10 on the same chip and get a 10,000. So for those that are slightly slower here (I'm looking at your madtiger) this is the same chip with a different result depending on the OS layer.
iOS is really efficient OS. It doesn't have the extra bloatware that Android has once a manufacture has got hold of it and put on their own skin. A fair comment would be the chip + OS is delivery these awesome figures ... but to pretend the A11 streets ahead of the Kirin 780 is just silly bias on your side. It really is the combination of the two
And lastly, numbers on the screen aren't going to tell you the real world user performance. Yes - the iPhone s quick and smooth ... but my Mate 20 Pro is just the same. I've had zero issues with regards to speed ... but I guess I place more emphasis on real world than numbers on the screen ?
@tmay People use different devices. I have both an iPhone X (standby phone every 2 weeks) and Huawei. You want a real world opinion? You can't see the difference in speed in actual using the phones. There's no jitter or judder, despite what Strangedays thinks he knows. Anyhow - but based on the comments here slating Androids, it'd be interesting to see which the people have used (or even read about;). There's a great world out there of mobile phones! @Madtiger wasn't even aware that Huawei phones be bought anywhere in the world - yet they're the second largest manufacture behind Samsung? So, it's very interesting how he (and others) can be that opinionated on something he has zero idea about.
I think I'm starting to understand how this works ... By joining, one can only day positive things about the iPhone? One can't and shouldn't say or point to anything negative?
It's bizarre and sad - but I do understand
One should not stretch the limits of credulity. Which is what you did when you suggest Apple lacks on everything else. The camera in the iPhone was just awarded #1, the Face ID system cannot be fooled by a simple picture of the owner’s face as can be those in competitors’ phones, there’s the iOS ecosystem, security and privacy, more energy efficient phones (good for the environment), better resale value resulting in attractive total cost or ownership, the best, most color accurate displays, the list goes on.
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You don't think maybe they could spend some money on a better? Maybe something that lasts a little longer? iPhone batteries die pretty early in in any very tests.
On the screen - from the outside, it looks like iPhone XR is running a screen from 2013. It can't do FullHD - you reckon this is all the eye can see? There is no need for anything higher?
These fancy high end chips that are years ahead of the competition - that's benchmarks right? So, cross platform benchmarking? Two totally different OSs?
I can take my Intel i5 and run the same benchmark using three OSs ... With different results. An OS plays a huge difference in the numbers you see on screen benchmarks. So, um, I do find the claims in this super chip unrealistic
Lastly, I use a iPhone X as my work phone every 2nd weekend. It's not a bad phone but it isn't my take home phone. However, real world speed of it and my Huawei are really kinda the same.
Who here has actually used the Huawei? I know you all think I'm trolling, but from the comments I've seen here, I'm actually one of the few with valid statements.
As for the screen, you're mistaken. Running "full HD" on a phone is stupid and a waste of GPU resources, as there is little valuable benefit vs the cost of processing and battery. It's likely one reason why the knockoffs are still jittery and laggy compared to iOS.
Real world speed test? Nah, just play a demanding game or use a demanding app (video editor). For example, Fortnite recently announced that it runs at 60 FPS on XS and XR. Android is max at 30.
Your Huawei has crappy GPU from Mali. Not even close to Apple or Qualcomm.
You with valid statements? Dude, your “statements” have been debunked at every corner!
“The iPhone X and the iPhone Xs both receive A+ ratings: It has a stellar manual brightness range without utilizing high brightness mode, zero black clipping over its 8-bit intensity range, smart PWM control, the best color accuracy we have measured, good gamma control, and excellent color management with an OS that utilizes wide color. These very noticeable and experience-affecting differences allow it to pull ahead of the Note 9 based on the qualities of the display and how its software handles it....”
Unless Geekbench sucks so bad, that their multi-core benchmark doesn’t count, iPhone never leads over Android until A11.
So, with 4 big cores (one of which in overdrive) vs. 2 big, you would expect that multi-core benchmark will at least match A12!
I doubt that 855 will match A12 power efficiency. From Anandtech: “One big uncertaintly that I have is in regards to the CPU configuration. Here at first I thought the 1+3 configuration seemed reasonable, however the disclosure that the different cores are running on the same power/voltage plane has given me some doubts about how this will pan out in terms of power efficiency. Power efficiency of the CPU and the SoC in general use-cases seems to be something that Qualcomm hasn’t talked about at all today and this worries me quite a bit.”
Yawn. Shipping in Q3 2019. Literally a month or two before the A13/A13X. Another Qualcomm processor that’ll lag behind Apple.
I really hope Apple introduces an A13X powered MacBook. Apple is at the point now where their own processors can eliminate Intel in a lot of devices. And with their tight integration of hardware/software they will easily outperform Windows on ARM.
It’ll very likely come close or match in certain tests. It might even beat the A12 in something. And those results will be cherry-picked and talked about as if they’re the most important.
A12 will easily beat the 855 overall.
It's worth noting that these tests are also on devices with outdated Vulkan drivers that in some cases perform worse than their OpenGL ES counterpart.
Most benchmarks show Apple with a monstrous lead, of course that performance can't be sustained for very long. In some cases it can't even be sustained for the duration of the benchmark, hence a peak performance that lands rather close to the sustained performance (the complete opposite of the benchmark above):
Still up to your deceitful ways I see.
You failed to mention the "bug" with 3DMark where the A12 GPU "crashes" when the iPhone XS is cool, because the GPU ramps up to very high power levels. They could only complete the test AFTER they ran several tests to get the A12 to heat up to such a point that the test starts with a lower GPU frequency.
In essence, the entire test is run on an iPhone/A12 that's ALREADY warm enough to force the GPU to run slower. And it still performs well.
Further, you have to add the obligatory "outdated Vulkan drivers" comment to imply they Android devices would be even faster if they ran optimized code - the usual fallback for the losing team. "If only we had our star player." Funny how you mention the Vulkan drivers but ignore the issue with 3DMark and the A12 GPU ramping up too quickly. I wonder what the scores would be when that issue gets fixed and they can run the A12 when it's cool (instead of starting the test when it's hot).
When we look at the Aztec tests (which are a better GPU benchmark) the A12 is so far ahead of the 845 that the SUSTAINED (throttled) performance of the A12 is higher than the PEAK (un-throttled) performance of the 845.
So I don't see where you're getting your "beaten in sustained performance" from considering the benchmarks clearly show otherwise. To sum up:
"Other than the thermal and peak performance considerations, the iPhone XS and XS Max, thanks to the new A12 SoC, showcase industry leading performance and efficiency, and currently are the best mobile platforms for gaming, period."
Qualcomm has stated the 855 GPU is 20% faster than the 845. If that's the case it still won't catch the A12.
I don\t think there is a single review out there that agrees with you
While we're on the battery, my Mate 20 Pro has a 40w wired charger and 15w wireless charger. That's 100|% (yes - double!) the iPhone and my wireless charging is only marginally slower than the iPhones wired charging system. I get 70% wired charge in 30 minutes - that's 2,940mAh. That's something like a full iPhone charge in 20 minutes ...
And if you're thinking that'll damage the battery or make it unsafe? The Huwaei Mate 20 Pro battery is certified by TÜV Rheinland - only the 2nd battery in the world that has gone through the certification process (the first, incidentally, was Huawi P20Pro)
So - going back to my main question ... maybe Apple could spend some money beefing up the battery? Either the capacity, or charging speeds or something that can make it match up?
So basically - any lower than 1,792 x 828 and you'll see the difference?
And any higher, you'll put added strain on the battery (which already battles) and GPU?
So Apple called it, again? Just right? Such an amazing company, this
But next year when they up this resolution, you'll be sitting in the front row of the Keynote and think 'revolutionary!' ...
PS We're used to this loop after 10+ years. Apple launches something late and while they don't have it, none of their users want it ... until Apple tells them they do.
My i5 at home, I can install Linux and run a benchmark - let's say I get 12,000 little numbers on the screen. I now install Windows 10 on the same chip and get a 10,000. So for those that are slightly slower here (I'm looking at your madtiger) this is the same chip with a different result depending on the OS layer.
iOS is really efficient OS. It doesn't have the extra bloatware that Android has once a manufacture has got hold of it and put on their own skin. A fair comment would be the chip + OS is delivery these awesome figures ... but to pretend the A11 streets ahead of the Kirin 780 is just silly bias on your side. It really is the combination of the two
And lastly, numbers on the screen aren't going to tell you the real world user performance. Yes - the iPhone s quick and smooth ... but my Mate 20 Pro is just the same. I've had zero issues with regards to speed ... but I guess I place more emphasis on real world than numbers on the screen ?
Anyhow - but based on the comments here slating Androids, it'd be interesting to see which the people have used (or even read about;). There's a great world out there of mobile phones! @Madtiger wasn't even aware that Huawei phones be bought anywhere in the world - yet they're the second largest manufacture behind Samsung? So, it's very interesting how he (and others) can be that opinionated on something he has zero idea about.