US lawmakers attack Apple for song takedowns in Chinese government censorship effort

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  • Reply 21 of 31
    EsquireCatsEsquireCats Posts: 1,251member
    If the songs are removed from the distribution catalogue, then apple have to remove them, it’s that simple. 

    Lawmakers however should take pause for how china has been able to build up such censorship and oppression (i.e with technology sold to it by american companies). All while the law makers, who could actually bring sanctions against China’s behaviour, sit by hypocritically and expect multinational companies to carry the american values forward. 
  • Reply 22 of 31
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,020member
    Meanwhile the politicians continue to sell weapons to the Saudis and turn a blind eye to china’s militarization of the pacific islands.

    but hey... Apple.
  • Reply 23 of 31
    lerxtlerxt Posts: 186member
    sflocal said:
    Meanwhile the politicians continue to sell weapons to the Saudis and turn a blind eye to china’s militarization of the pacific islands.

    but hey... Apple.
    Pacific Islands? China isn’t militarising any Pacific Islands.  
    edited April 2019
  • Reply 24 of 31
    LordeHawkLordeHawk Posts: 168member
    eightzero said:
    wood1208 said:
    Like old saying about Rome; when in China, do as the Chinese do!!

    There was a similar old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
    You have not experienced Shakespeare until you have read him in the original Klingon.
    I love you both right now... 
  • Reply 25 of 31
    rogifan_newrogifan_new Posts: 4,297member
    DAalseth said:
    Easy for therm to be critical. They aren't the ones responsible to shareholders. They aren't the ones trying to keep Apple profitable in China. They don't have the facts or access to the information, and threats, they got from the Chinese Government. It's easy to grandstand when it isn't your @$$ on the line.

    These is such a thing as having values. If Apple’s privacy stance started to affect Apple’s profitability would you say the company should moderate on that core value? Is it profits above all else?
  • Reply 26 of 31
    designrdesignr Posts: 784member
    DAalseth said:
    Easy for therm to be critical. They aren't the ones responsible to shareholders. They aren't the ones trying to keep Apple profitable in China. They don't have the facts or access to the information, and threats, they got from the Chinese Government. It's easy to grandstand when it isn't your @$$ on the line.

    These is such a thing as having values. If Apple’s privacy stance started to affect Apple’s profitability would you say the company should moderate on that core value? Is it profits above all else?
    Isn't that a bit of the point? Apple talks a good game about its deeply held core values, but in the end it appears to be profits above all else.

    My view is that if you want to do business in a particular jurisdiction (nation, state, etc.) you need to respect the laws of that jurisdiction (if everyone decides what laws they will and will not obey we have chaos and lawlessness) while, perhaps, trying to influence change toward the values you hold dear. Apple is definitely doing the former and might be doing the latter. This can be a pathway. Things like outright boycotts rarely work whether at the individual or corporate level. Boycotts separate you from the subject you're disagreeing with or opposed to. There can be a balance where you're still engaged but trying, through relationship, to influence change. I don't know if Apple is doing that in China (or other foreign nations) or not. But it's possible I suppose.

    Still though there is a legitimate question as to whether Apple's (Tim Cook's) "deeply held core values" are really more sizzle than steak and that the real core value is simply profit.
  • Reply 27 of 31
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,583member
    lerxt said:
    sflocal said:
    Meanwhile the politicians continue to sell weapons to the Saudis and turn a blind eye to china’s militarization of the pacific islands.

    but hey... Apple.
    Pacific Islands? China isn’t militarising any Pacific Islands.  
    Woah are you out of touch. China has been building bases in the Spratley's. the Paracel's and elsewhere in the region. They've been building whole islands to host military bases. They've claimed the whole of the South China sea and are backing it up with their military. They are starting to issue warning to countries who sail ships through international water that they have claimed for their own. This has been going on for a few decades.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea
    llama
  • Reply 28 of 31
    DAalseth said:
    lerxt said:
    sflocal said:
    Meanwhile the politicians continue to sell weapons to the Saudis and turn a blind eye to china’s militarization of the pacific islands.

    but hey... Apple.
    Pacific Islands? China isn’t militarising any Pacific Islands.  
    Woah are you out of touch. China has been building bases in the Spratley's. the Paracel's and elsewhere in the region. They've been building whole islands to host military bases. They've claimed the whole of the South China sea and are backing it up with their military. They are starting to issue warning to countries who sail ships through international water that they have claimed for their own. This has been going on for a few decades.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea
    He's technically right. China are not militarizing any Pacific Islands "Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea"
  • Reply 29 of 31
    CiprolCiprol Posts: 53member
    Did Bin Laden and Al Quaeda or ISIS have songs on Apple Music? Any invites to them? Wouldn't that be free speech and music?

    Seriously, American extra-territorial is going way beyond what's acceptable. Sorry, the Capital Hill and Whitehouse aren't the government of the world, although the political establishment there seemed to feel so and have ingrained its population to that sense of entitlement.

    Wake up America. Atrocities done by the US government around the world are at least partially exposed in the Manning and Snowden files, and all the US will do is to relentlessly pursue Assange as a political prisoner. Sorry, the world at large can now see the truth and sad those on Capital Hill and some in society are still ignorant and bigoted. For Apple, with people like these in charge and leading the country, who needs business competitors when there are compatriots trying to sabotage it.
    edited April 2019
  • Reply 30 of 31
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,020member
    DAalseth said:
    lerxt said:
    sflocal said:
    Meanwhile the politicians continue to sell weapons to the Saudis and turn a blind eye to china’s militarization of the pacific islands.

    but hey... Apple.
    Pacific Islands? China isn’t militarising any Pacific Islands.  
    Woah are you out of touch. China has been building bases in the Spratley's. the Paracel's and elsewhere in the region. They've been building whole islands to host military bases. They've claimed the whole of the South China sea and are backing it up with their military. They are starting to issue warning to countries who sail ships through international water that they have claimed for their own. This has been going on for a few decades.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea
    He's technically right. China are not militarizing any Pacific Islands "Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea"
    Whatever man... Pacific, South China Sea, Indo-Pacific... pick a name.  The subject hasn’t changed.
    edited April 2019
  • Reply 31 of 31
    vvswarupvvswarup Posts: 334member
    That's pretty rich coming from the US government, especially given the kinds of people the POTUS keeps company with and also the kinds of people previous administrations have kept company with. 
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