When's the last time Apple released a proprietary connector though, ADC? If they did some stacky thing like the Slice (which p.s. looks cool as hell) I'm sure they'd just use Thunderbolt 3.
There's an enormous proprietary connector in most of the tower mac pros between the CPU tray and the motherboard.
Like the HP Slice? www8.hp.com/us/en/elite-family/elite-slice-desktop.html
...and again we have those words "based on proprietary connectors"...
I bet this is what they will introduce. Just look at the Mac mini and TV, they clearly are inspired by that design,
Wait, are you claiming the Mac mini, which was originally released in 2005 and redesigned in 2010 as we know it now, is based on the Elite Slice, which came out in 2016? How does that work?
Nope, not exactly what I meant. The Mac mini and tv have a similar design. Obviously the slice was inspired by Apple’s designs AFAIK, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they introduce the MP looking like that in some way.
I can't believe how long it takes one of the most valuable companies in the world with near endless resources so long to make a computer when they've been in the computer making business for over 40 years. It's so embarrassing. Pointless iterations of iPhone after iPhone because they sell well. The computers might sell a bit better if they updated them once in a while
That’s the thing that gets me. This has taken WAY too long. Okay I’ll give them that Intel has screwed them over with processor delays, but still. They've been stringing people on for a few years. And that’s after sitting on the 2013 model without seemingly made any plans at all to upgrade beyond that model. What was that quote from Jobs, Real Artists,Ship.
Intel delays haven't stop Dell, HP and Lenovo from updating their workstations. This one is completely on Apple.
Agreed. Even if Apple had their eye on some theoretical Unobtanium Lake chip that Intel promised but couldn't deliver, Apple could have adjusted, used what WAS available, and gotten the thing out. What is this, two years, three, since they said it was coming? It's close to a year late. It is absurd.
Also, if Apple was so far along in the design of their product with the anticipation of using a specific Intel chip with a specific load and heat index, you can't just go back on 1-2yrs worth of specific design and change it overnight. Sure, it's easy when you're HP or Dell and just throw a shitty plastic box together with off the shelf parts. To me this is just you being an armchair engineer here.
The problem is that the armchair engineers made a better product than Apple engineers.
Sure it all seems easy sitting in front of your computer, but when you have real data from real customers about what they want, not AppleInsider bitch and complainers data its not all that easy in the end. Most of the people here don't know the "pro" market as well as they think they do. They think they know how to run a Fortune 500 company better than the company running it. It's always easier to write a bunch of shit down in a piece of paper and say why can't Apple just build this isn't it? Not so easy to execute it. Like I said earlier, Apple isn't going to be like Dell and HP and throw a bunch of off the shelf parts together into a shitty looking plastic box...this just isn't going to happen and if it did, other people would be bitching about how Apple can't design shit anymore and how they've lost their touch, etc, etc...
I haven't seen people here saying that designing workstations it's an easy task. But it's easy to see where Apple failed, specially compared to the Dell, HP and Lenovo. These companies have excellent devices, far more advanced than what Apple offers, and are updated in a frequent basis.They don't throw bunch of off the shelf parts together, as you said. Try configuring a HP Z840 from their website, and you'll see there are components (like the NVidia Quadro P6000) that are more expensive than an iMac Pro. They are using only high end components in these line of devices. Don't be mad at people that criticize the Mac Pro. Even Apple admitted doing wrong with the latest model.
Here is the real deal: its a box meant to do a job. the differences between operating systems come down to a choice. I prefer the MAC OS but I get much more bang for the buck with a PC, AT THIS CURRENT TIME. I am a professional film and video editor. I need a fast, powerful machine that I can upgrade as video technology continues to evolve. RIGHT NOW, Apple is not in that space. They may very well be again, once this mythical new MacPro comes out. But right now, I am getting more speed, more processing power, better network operability across multiple workstations with a PC. Also, my machines pay for themselves within a few months. Do I like windows 10? Not really, but as I stated before, I have a business to run, one that changes almost daily and I need a system that can change with it. I just upgraded my Resolve Color Correction system with two NVidia RTX 2080 Ti graphics cards. That machine flys. You can't upgrade your graphics cards on any currently available Apple product. As long as Apple keeps putting out closed architecture boxes that are not readily upgradable, they are going to be behind the curve. And yes I know FCPX is optimized to run on Apple hardware and does so extremely well. That's all well and good if you are only editing. We do so much more than just editing and those things require powerful computers that can keep up with changing technological demands of our clients. I wish Apple was still the leader in that space but they are not. That may change and if so, we will too. But right now........
I can't believe how long it takes one of the most valuable companies in the world with near endless resources so long to make a computer when they've been in the computer making business for over 40 years. It's so embarrassing. Pointless iterations of iPhone after iPhone because they sell well. The computers might sell a bit better if they updated them once in a while
That’s the thing that gets me. This has taken WAY too long. Okay I’ll give them that Intel has screwed them over with processor delays, but still. They've been stringing people on for a few years. And that’s after sitting on the 2013 model without seemingly made any plans at all to upgrade beyond that model. What was that quote from Jobs, Real Artists,Ship.
Intel delays haven't stop Dell, HP and Lenovo from updating their workstations. This one is completely on Apple.
Agreed. Even if Apple had their eye on some theoretical Unobtanium Lake chip that Intel promised but couldn't deliver, Apple could have adjusted, used what WAS available, and gotten the thing out. What is this, two years, three, since they said it was coming? It's close to a year late. It is absurd.
Also, if Apple was so far along in the design of their product with the anticipation of using a specific Intel chip with a specific load and heat index, you can't just go back on 1-2yrs worth of specific design and change it overnight. Sure, it's easy when you're HP or Dell and just throw a shitty plastic box together with off the shelf parts. To me this is just you being an armchair engineer here.
The problem is that the armchair engineers made a better product than Apple engineers.
Sure it all seems easy sitting in front of your computer, but when you have real data from real customers about what they want, not AppleInsider bitch and complainers data its not all that easy in the end. Most of the people here don't know the "pro" market as well as they think they do. They think they know how to run a Fortune 500 company better than the company running it. It's always easier to write a bunch of shit down in a piece of paper and say why can't Apple just build this isn't it? Not so easy to execute it. Like I said earlier, Apple isn't going to be like Dell and HP and throw a bunch of off the shelf parts together into a shitty looking plastic box...this just isn't going to happen and if it did, other people would be bitching about how Apple can't design shit anymore and how they've lost their touch, etc, etc...
I haven't seen people here saying that designing workstations it's an easy task. But it's easy to see where Apple failed, specially compared to the Dell, HP and Lenovo. These companies have excellent devices, far more advanced than what Apple offers, and are updated in a frequent basis.They don't throw bunch of off the shelf parts together, as you said. Try configuring a HP Z840 from their website, and you'll see there are components (like the NVidia Quadro P6000) that are more expensive than an iMac Pro. They are using only high end components in these line of devices. Don't be mad at people that criticize the Mac Pro. Even Apple admitted doing wrong with the latest model.
I'm not mad that people are criticizing the Mac Pro. I know its bad, you know it is and obviously so does Apple. They thought the market was going in a certain direction and it didn't pan out. So back to the drawing board. My quiff is that people think they know what a Pro Mac is and what they want when they haven't got a clue. It's just their magical wishlist for a computer most aren't going to buy anyways. Also, people seem to think that Apple can just whip up a computer in a year or less and thats never been the case. It's also never been the case that Apple will just release a shitty plastic box with off the shelf parts inside it like everyone else. Apple is going to most likely make a custom design with their own parts, only borrowing what they need. Making a Pro Mac that's outside the norm of the others. If you didn't notice, each new Mac is going further and further into Apple specific designed parts inside it.
Here is the real deal: its a box meant to do a job. the differences between operating systems come down to a choice. I prefer the MAC OS but I get much more bang for the buck with a PC, AT THIS CURRENT TIME. I am a professional film and video editor. I need a fast, powerful machine that I can upgrade as video technology continues to evolve. RIGHT NOW, Apple is not in that space. They may very well be again, once this mythical new MacPro comes out. But right now, I am getting more speed, more processing power, better network operability across multiple workstations with a PC. Also, my machines pay for themselves within a few months. Do I like windows 10? Not really, but as I stated before, I have a business to run, one that changes almost daily and I need a system that can change with it. I just upgraded my Resolve Color Correction system with two NVidia RTX 2080 Ti graphics cards. That machine flys. You can't upgrade your graphics cards on any currently available Apple product. As long as Apple keeps putting out closed architecture boxes that are not readily upgradable, they are going to be behind the curve. And yes I know FCPX is optimized to run on Apple hardware and does so extremely well. That's all well and good if you are only editing. We do so much more than just editing and those things require powerful computers that can keep up with changing technological demands of our clients. I wish Apple was still the leader in that space but they are not. That may change and if so, we will too. But right now........
With any luck, they're listening to users like yourself with their focus on actual pro workflows (and not the whining masses who can't deal with USB-C and other minor changes).
I mean, I'm a Mac user through and through, but man if my livelihood counted on render times more than it does now, I'd probably be strongly considering biting the bullet and getting one of these to get my work done.
I'm optimistic that Apple is aware of these issues by now and did not go into this Mac Pro thing to half-ass it, but we'll see soon enough I guess.
I enjoy reading debates like this thread has. Sometimes I learn things; sometimes I don't... unless you just include how to be a successful debater: I always learn that.
I can't believe how long it takes one of the most valuable companies in the world with near endless resources so long to make a computer when they've been in the computer making business for over 40 years. It's so embarrassing. Pointless iterations of iPhone after iPhone because they sell well. The computers might sell a bit better if they updated them once in a while
That’s the thing that gets me. This has taken WAY too long. Okay I’ll give them that Intel has screwed them over with processor delays, but still. They've been stringing people on for a few years. And that’s after sitting on the 2013 model without seemingly made any plans at all to upgrade beyond that model. What was that quote from Jobs, Real Artists,Ship.
Intel delays haven't stop Dell, HP and Lenovo from updating their workstations. This one is completely on Apple.
Agreed. Even if Apple had their eye on some theoretical Unobtanium Lake chip that Intel promised but couldn't deliver, Apple could have adjusted, used what WAS available, and gotten the thing out. What is this, two years, three, since they said it was coming? It's close to a year late. It is absurd.
Also, if Apple was so far along in the design of their product with the anticipation of using a specific Intel chip with a specific load and heat index, you can't just go back on 1-2yrs worth of specific design and change it overnight. Sure, it's easy when you're HP or Dell and just throw a shitty plastic box together with off the shelf parts. To me this is just you being an armchair engineer here.
The problem is that the armchair engineers made a better product than Apple engineers.
Sure it all seems easy sitting in front of your computer, but when you have real data from real customers about what they want, not AppleInsider bitch and complainers data its not all that easy in the end. Most of the people here don't know the "pro" market as well as they think they do. They think they know how to run a Fortune 500 company better than the company running it. It's always easier to write a bunch of shit down in a piece of paper and say why can't Apple just build this isn't it? Not so easy to execute it. Like I said earlier, Apple isn't going to be like Dell and HP and throw a bunch of off the shelf parts together into a shitty looking plastic box...this just isn't going to happen and if it did, other people would be bitching about how Apple can't design shit anymore and how they've lost their touch, etc, etc...
I haven't seen people here saying that designing workstations it's an easy task. But it's easy to see where Apple failed, specially compared to the Dell, HP and Lenovo. These companies have excellent devices, far more advanced than what Apple offers, and are updated in a frequent basis.They don't throw bunch of off the shelf parts together, as you said. Try configuring a HP Z840 from their website, and you'll see there are components (like the NVidia Quadro P6000) that are more expensive than an iMac Pro. They are using only high end components in these line of devices. Don't be mad at people that criticize the Mac Pro. Even Apple admitted doing wrong with the latest model.
I'm not mad that people are criticizing the Mac Pro. I know its bad, you know it is and obviously so does Apple. They thought the market was going in a certain direction and it didn't pan out. So back to the drawing board. My quiff is that people think they know what a Pro Mac is and what they want when they haven't got a clue. It's just their magical wishlist for a computer most aren't going to buy anyways.
Agree, some people have no idea of what's involved in a workstation. and maybe don't need one. But at the same time, there is a group of professional users that needs a capable Mac Pro, and Apple have failed them for years. And a lot of the people that complain are part of that group.
Also, people seem to think that Apple can just whip up a computer in a year or less and thats never been the case. It's also never been the case that Apple will just release a shitty plastic box with off the shelf parts inside it like everyone else. Apple is going to most likely make a custom design with their own parts, only borrowing what they need. Making a Pro Mac that's outside the norm of the others. If you didn't notice, each new Mac is going further and further into Apple specific designed parts inside it.
Apple don't have a "plastic box", but neither HP, Dell or Lenovo workstations are plastic boxes. Making the Mac Pro a device outside of the normal haven't help Apple at all.
I mean, I'm a Mac user through and through, but man if my livelihood counted on render times more than it does now, I'd probably be strongly considering biting the bullet and getting one of these to get my work done.
I'm optimistic that Apple is aware of these issues by now and did not go into this Mac Pro thing to half-ass it, but we'll see soon enough I guess.
Same here... There are time that much power would be nice but that load is shared round the office, if one person had it on their desk they would be pigeon holed in the work they do. Now if we could have one machine like shared we'd be interested as well but at it stands we are better off (flexiblity) to each have a lessor machine and just deal with high load by going a getting cuppa/lunch/sleep depending on how long the wait is.
If Apple wanted to expand the market for the new machine it shared resource would be an area to look at.
I can't believe how long it takes one of the most valuable companies in the world with near endless resources so long to make a computer when they've been in the computer making business for over 40 years. It's so embarrassing. Pointless iterations of iPhone after iPhone because they sell well. The computers might sell a bit better if they updated them once in a while
That’s the thing that gets me. This has taken WAY too long. Okay I’ll give them that Intel has screwed them over with processor delays, but still. They've been stringing people on for a few years. And that’s after sitting on the 2013 model without seemingly made any plans at all to upgrade beyond that model. What was that quote from Jobs, Real Artists,Ship.
Intel delays haven't stop Dell, HP and Lenovo from updating their workstations. This one is completely on Apple.
Agreed. Even if Apple had their eye on some theoretical Unobtanium Lake chip that Intel promised but couldn't deliver, Apple could have adjusted, used what WAS available, and gotten the thing out. What is this, two years, three, since they said it was coming? It's close to a year late. It is absurd.
Also, if Apple was so far along in the design of their product with the anticipation of using a specific Intel chip with a specific load and heat index, you can't just go back on 1-2yrs worth of specific design and change it overnight. Sure, it's easy when you're HP or Dell and just throw a shitty plastic box together with off the shelf parts. To me this is just you being an armchair engineer here.
The problem is that the armchair engineers made a better product than Apple engineers.
Sure it all seems easy sitting in front of your computer, but when you have real data from real customers about what they want, not AppleInsider bitch and complainers data its not all that easy in the end. Most of the people here don't know the "pro" market as well as they think they do. They think they know how to run a Fortune 500 company better than the company running it. It's always easier to write a bunch of shit down in a piece of paper and say why can't Apple just build this isn't it? Not so easy to execute it. Like I said earlier, Apple isn't going to be like Dell and HP and throw a bunch of off the shelf parts together into a shitty looking plastic box...this just isn't going to happen and if it did, other people would be bitching about how Apple can't design shit anymore and how they've lost their touch, etc, etc...
I haven't seen people here saying that designing workstations it's an easy task. But it's easy to see where Apple failed, specially compared to the Dell, HP and Lenovo. These companies have excellent devices, far more advanced than what Apple offers, and are updated in a frequent basis.They don't throw bunch of off the shelf parts together, as you said. Try configuring a HP Z840 from their website, and you'll see there are components (like the NVidia Quadro P6000) that are more expensive than an iMac Pro. They are using only high end components in these line of devices. Don't be mad at people that criticize the Mac Pro. Even Apple admitted doing wrong with the latest model.
I'm not mad that people are criticizing the Mac Pro. I know its bad, you know it is and obviously so does Apple. They thought the market was going in a certain direction and it didn't pan out. So back to the drawing board. My quiff is that people think they know what a Pro Mac is and what they want when they haven't got a clue. It's just their magical wishlist for a computer most aren't going to buy anyways.
Agree, some people have no idea of what's involved in a workstation. and maybe don't need one. But at the same time, there is a group of professional users that needs a capable Mac Pro, and Apple have failed them for years. And a lot of the people that complain are part of that group.
Also, people seem to think that Apple can just whip up a computer in a year or less and thats never been the case. It's also never been the case that Apple will just release a shitty plastic box with off the shelf parts inside it like everyone else. Apple is going to most likely make a custom design with their own parts, only borrowing what they need. Making a Pro Mac that's outside the norm of the others. If you didn't notice, each new Mac is going further and further into Apple specific designed parts inside it.
Apple don't have a "plastic box", but neither HP, Dell or Lenovo workstations are plastic boxes. Making the Mac Pro a device outside of the normal haven't help Apple at all.
Then go buy a cheap metal box from HP with off the shelf parts if thats what you want. This isn't what Apple is going to offer.
So, why has Apple taken so long to replace the Mac Pro...?
Some may say the Mac Pro was slated fade away into the distance, with the iMac Pro as its successor...
Many ask as to WHY it is taking so long, a mini-tower workstation with a few PCIe slots should be easy...
My idea of the backplane with daughtercards modular Mac Pro cube still stands, but backplanes & daughtercards have been done by Apple before...
But then when one thinks of the smaller chassis size and the TDPs of current CPUs/GPUs, it seems like it would be another thermal corner for Apple to paint itself into...
UNLESS...!!!
Unless it IS a small cube with a backplane & daughtercard system...
But imagine if there were daughtercards that all had the same thing on them, and the more you added (say, up to four daughtercards...?) the more powerful the system became...!?!
Let me introduce you to the new ARM-powered modular Mac Pro...!!!
Still the same SG Mac mini style PSU (same horizontal footprint, but the full height of the chassis), with all I/O to the lower portion of the rear panel (eight TB3 / USB-C ports, dual 10Gb Ethernet. & 3.5mm headphone jack), as well as the power input...
Each daughtercard has the following:
Four A13X Bionic APUs 64GB RAM 2TB SSD
As one adds a new daughtercard, the system integrates the cards resources into one large homogenized pool...
A fully loaded system would consist of sixteen ARM APUs, 256GB RAM, & 8TB SSD...
The hardware engineering & (especially) the software (both for the homogenized pool of resources AND for the transition from x64 to ARM) would take a few years, I would figure...
So yeah, we just may be looking at the first ARM Mac with the forthcoming modular Mac Pro...!?!
I can't believe how long it takes one of the most valuable companies in the world with near endless resources so long to make a computer when they've been in the computer making business for over 40 years. It's so embarrassing. Pointless iterations of iPhone after iPhone because they sell well. The computers might sell a bit better if they updated them once in a while
That’s the thing that gets me. This has taken WAY too long. Okay I’ll give them that Intel has screwed them over with processor delays, but still. They've been stringing people on for a few years. And that’s after sitting on the 2013 model without seemingly made any plans at all to upgrade beyond that model. What was that quote from Jobs, Real Artists,Ship.
Intel delays haven't stop Dell, HP and Lenovo from updating their workstations. This one is completely on Apple.
Agreed. Even if Apple had their eye on some theoretical Unobtanium Lake chip that Intel promised but couldn't deliver, Apple could have adjusted, used what WAS available, and gotten the thing out. What is this, two years, three, since they said it was coming? It's close to a year late. It is absurd.
Also, if Apple was so far along in the design of their product with the anticipation of using a specific Intel chip with a specific load and heat index, you can't just go back on 1-2yrs worth of specific design and change it overnight. Sure, it's easy when you're HP or Dell and just throw a shitty plastic box together with off the shelf parts. To me this is just you being an armchair engineer here.
The problem is that the armchair engineers made a better product than Apple engineers.
Sure it all seems easy sitting in front of your computer, but when you have real data from real customers about what they want, not AppleInsider bitch and complainers data its not all that easy in the end. Most of the people here don't know the "pro" market as well as they think they do. They think they know how to run a Fortune 500 company better than the company running it. It's always easier to write a bunch of shit down in a piece of paper and say why can't Apple just build this isn't it? Not so easy to execute it. Like I said earlier, Apple isn't going to be like Dell and HP and throw a bunch of off the shelf parts together into a shitty looking plastic box...this just isn't going to happen and if it did, other people would be bitching about how Apple can't design shit anymore and how they've lost their touch, etc, etc...
I haven't seen people here saying that designing workstations it's an easy task. But it's easy to see where Apple failed, specially compared to the Dell, HP and Lenovo. These companies have excellent devices, far more advanced than what Apple offers, and are updated in a frequent basis.They don't throw bunch of off the shelf parts together, as you said. Try configuring a HP Z840 from their website, and you'll see there are components (like the NVidia Quadro P6000) that are more expensive than an iMac Pro. They are using only high end components in these line of devices. Don't be mad at people that criticize the Mac Pro. Even Apple admitted doing wrong with the latest model.
I'm not mad that people are criticizing the Mac Pro. I know its bad, you know it is and obviously so does Apple. They thought the market was going in a certain direction and it didn't pan out. So back to the drawing board. My quiff is that people think they know what a Pro Mac is and what they want when they haven't got a clue. It's just their magical wishlist for a computer most aren't going to buy anyways.
Agree, some people have no idea of what's involved in a workstation. and maybe don't need one. But at the same time, there is a group of professional users that needs a capable Mac Pro, and Apple have failed them for years. And a lot of the people that complain are part of that group.
Also, people seem to think that Apple can just whip up a computer in a year or less and thats never been the case. It's also never been the case that Apple will just release a shitty plastic box with off the shelf parts inside it like everyone else. Apple is going to most likely make a custom design with their own parts, only borrowing what they need. Making a Pro Mac that's outside the norm of the others. If you didn't notice, each new Mac is going further and further into Apple specific designed parts inside it.
Apple don't have a "plastic box", but neither HP, Dell or Lenovo workstations are plastic boxes. Making the Mac Pro a device outside of the normal haven't help Apple at all.
Then go buy a cheap metal box from HP with off the shelf parts if thats what you want.
I played a little with the HP Z840 configurator, and went up to $75,000. And this was not a maxed out configuration. A single Nvidia Quadro P6000 was more expensive than an iMac Pro. A single Intel Xeon Platinum 8160M w/ 24 cores is as expensive as a maxed out iMac Pro. After seeing this, you can see that Apple is the one selling the cheap metal box.
This isn't what Apple is going to offer.
Agree, Apple don't have something to offer as good or better than HP workstations.
I'm predicting a surprise that most sites are forgetting, not only will we see the Mac Pro, but I believe we will also see an ARM based MacBook. The MacBook is the perfect form factor to introduce it, and also have it running macOS on ARM for developers to buy and use for testing.
I'm predicting a surprise that most sites are forgetting, not only will we see the Mac Pro, but I believe we will also see an ARM based MacBook. The MacBook is the perfect form factor to introduce it, and also have it running macOS on ARM for developers to buy and use for testing.
Nobody here is forgetting the possibility of ARM macs.
I can't believe how long it takes one of the most valuable companies in the world with near endless resources so long to make a computer when they've been in the computer making business for over 40 years. It's so embarrassing. Pointless iterations of iPhone after iPhone because they sell well. The computers might sell a bit better if they updated them once in a while
Uh maybe because they are human and money doesn't make a human immortal sir. Think about it. Just because you think it's easy....Also keep in mind the millions of fatheads in the world Apple has to please. Imagine if you had to cater to that many people who criticize you for waking up in the morning.
I mean, I'm a Mac user through and through, but man if my livelihood counted on render times more than it does now, I'd probably be strongly considering biting the bullet and getting one of these to get my work done.
I'm optimistic that Apple is aware of these issues by now and did not go into this Mac Pro thing to half-ass it, but we'll see soon enough I guess.
You've got to be kidding! Sure, anyone would expect the Mac Pro to handle better than what most expect but Adobe's Creative Suite is NOT something Apple should FIX their Macs to work well with. It's the software developer's responsibility to make sure their products work efficiently with both MacOS and Windows. If you disagree with that then you're an Apple hater, because I find your post to be highly one-sided and unfair.
I mean, I'm a Mac user through and through, but man if my livelihood counted on render times more than it does now, I'd probably be strongly considering biting the bullet and getting one of these to get my work done.
I'm optimistic that Apple is aware of these issues by now and did not go into this Mac Pro thing to half-ass it, but we'll see soon enough I guess.
Wow, who would have thought that a workstation from 2018 / 2019 would ever beat the 2013 Mac Pro...?!?
I can't believe how long it takes one of the most valuable companies in the world with near endless resources so long to make a computer when they've been in the computer making business for over 40 years. It's so embarrassing. Pointless iterations of iPhone after iPhone because they sell well. The computers might sell a bit better if they updated them once in a while
That’s the thing that gets me. This has taken WAY too long. Okay I’ll give them that Intel has screwed them over with processor delays, but still. They've been stringing people on for a few years. And that’s after sitting on the 2013 model without seemingly made any plans at all to upgrade beyond that model. What was that quote from Jobs, Real Artists,Ship.
Intel delays haven't stop Dell, HP and Lenovo from updating their workstations. This one is completely on Apple.
Agreed. Even if Apple had their eye on some theoretical Unobtanium Lake chip that Intel promised but couldn't deliver, Apple could have adjusted, used what WAS available, and gotten the thing out. What is this, two years, three, since they said it was coming? It's close to a year late. It is absurd.
April 2017 they said that they were working on it. January 2018 they said that they were working on Professional display/s. April 2018 they said that the Mac Pro was a 2019 product.
I can’t help but think if a similar situation had arisen under Steve Jobs, EVERYONE in the Mac division would’ve been fired.
I mean, I'm a Mac user through and through, but man if my livelihood counted on render times more than it does now, I'd probably be strongly considering biting the bullet and getting one of these to get my work done.
I'm optimistic that Apple is aware of these issues by now and did not go into this Mac Pro thing to half-ass it, but we'll see soon enough I guess.
You've got to be kidding! Sure, anyone would expect the Mac Pro to handle better than what most expect but Adobe's Creative Suite is NOT something Apple should FIX their Macs to work well with. It's the software developer's responsibility to make sure their products work efficiently with both MacOS and Windows. If you disagree with that then you're an Apple hater, because I find your post to be highly one-sided and unfair.
Excuse me? I'm not only talking about Adobe software here, but even if I were the point still stands. As I said, I'm 100% a Mac user, but understand why people who work in certain software have jumped ship because you simply cannot buy the kind of power in a Mac that you can in one of these HP machines. There's no hating necessary to see that fact.
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https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/4/15175994/apple-mac-pro-failure-admission
I'm not mad that people are criticizing the Mac Pro. I know its bad, you know it is and obviously so does Apple. They thought the market was going in a certain direction and it didn't pan out. So back to the drawing board. My quiff is that people think they know what a Pro Mac is and what they want when they haven't got a clue. It's just their magical wishlist for a computer most aren't going to buy anyways. Also, people seem to think that Apple can just whip up a computer in a year or less and thats never been the case. It's also never been the case that Apple will just release a shitty plastic box with off the shelf parts inside it like everyone else. Apple is going to most likely make a custom design with their own parts, only borrowing what they need. Making a Pro Mac that's outside the norm of the others. If you didn't notice, each new Mac is going further and further into Apple specific designed parts inside it.
Is that what this is?
https://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/workstations-z8/overview.html
I mean, I'm a Mac user through and through, but man if my livelihood counted on render times more than it does now, I'd probably be strongly considering biting the bullet and getting one of these to get my work done.
I'm optimistic that Apple is aware of these issues by now and did not go into this Mac Pro thing to half-ass it, but we'll see soon enough I guess.
Apple don't have a "plastic box", but neither HP, Dell or Lenovo workstations are plastic boxes. Making the Mac Pro a device outside of the normal haven't help Apple at all.
So, why has Apple taken so long to replace the Mac Pro...?
Some may say the Mac Pro was slated fade away into the distance, with the iMac Pro as its successor...
Many ask as to WHY it is taking so long, a mini-tower workstation with a few PCIe slots should be easy...
My idea of the backplane with daughtercards modular Mac Pro cube still stands, but backplanes & daughtercards have been done by Apple before...
But then when one thinks of the smaller chassis size and the TDPs of current CPUs/GPUs, it seems like it would be another thermal corner for Apple to paint itself into...
UNLESS...!!!
Unless it IS a small cube with a backplane & daughtercard system...
But imagine if there were daughtercards that all had the same thing on them, and the more you added (say, up to four daughtercards...?) the more powerful the system became...!?!
Let me introduce you to the new ARM-powered modular Mac Pro...!!!
Still the same SG Mac mini style PSU (same horizontal footprint, but the full height of the chassis), with all I/O to the lower portion of the rear panel (eight TB3 / USB-C ports, dual 10Gb Ethernet. & 3.5mm headphone jack), as well as the power input...
Each daughtercard has the following:
Four A13X Bionic APUs
64GB RAM
2TB SSD
As one adds a new daughtercard, the system integrates the cards resources into one large homogenized pool...
A fully loaded system would consist of sixteen ARM APUs, 256GB RAM, & 8TB SSD...
The hardware engineering & (especially) the software (both for the homogenized pool of resources AND for the transition from x64 to ARM) would take a few years, I would figure...
So yeah, we just may be looking at the first ARM Mac with the forthcoming modular Mac Pro...!?!
Discuss...! ;^p
Agree, Apple don't have something to offer as good or better than HP workstations.