iOS 13.1 is ready for prime-time, but you may still want to wait for macOS Catalina to jum...

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It's not clear when in October Apple will release macOS Catalina, but what is clear that until macOS, tvOS, watchOS, iOS, and iPadOS are all updated, there's going to be some growing pains in a mixed-device environment.

Waiting until macOS Catalina is out will save some temporary problems with iOS and iPadOS
Waiting until macOS Catalina is out will save some temporary problems with iOS and iPadOS


It's not true that Apple's operating system updates for 2019 are being released all that much more messily than usual. But it feels as if it is because until we have the trio of iOS, iPadOS and macOS Catalina finished, we are seeing problems.

That's been exacerbated by how this is the first year that we got a separate iPadOS, and it's not actually all that separate from iOS. Then there have been all the issues of Apple doing an early beta test of iOS 13.1 before shipping that as the solution to certain iOS 13 problems.

If you chiefly work on iOS and your Mac is the adjunct, you can go ahead and update. Again, it might be prudent to wait a couple of days until iPadOS is not only out but has been tested with millions of users in the real world -- but even if you jump today, you'll be (mostly) fine.

But, until macOS Catalina drops sometime in October, the now three main Apple platforms will remain just a little out of step with each other.

And it's enough that we have to say this. If your Mac is your main work machine, and your iOS devices are more like useful adjuncts, don't update anything until macOS Catalina is here.

Or more specifically, until a few days after macOS Catalina drops. We do always say this about any major software release, that you should hold off until any initial bugs are caught and fixed. In this case, it would be particularly wise to wait as Apple is spread a bit thinner than usual -- and that may account for some of the problems in iOS 13's initial release.






The concern this year is not that we now have three major Apple platforms, and it's not at all that the new releases are in any way disappointing. It's that all three share certain underlying technologies that have changed for 2019.

Interregnum

One of the most significant improvements promised for iOS 13 and iPadOS 13 was to do with Shortcuts. Even if you don't use Shortcuts yet, Apple has now taken steps to make this feature more available, more easy to use, and more powerful. If you do already use Shortcuts, the improvements are huge and guaranteed to make you race to update.

Only, if you did that and got iOS 13 on its day of release, you didn't get the complete package. We had to wait until iOS 13.1 to see Shortcut Automations, which is a particularly strong part of the update.

Shortcuts Automations didn't come out until iOS 13.1
Shortcuts Automations didn't come out until iOS 13.1


What's much worse than having to twiddle our thumbs for a week, though, is what happens when your iPhone is on iOS 13 and iPadOS 13 hasn't been released.

The new Shortcuts app has changed the very form of these automation tools, and they sync between your devices. So you could have a new iOS 13 Shortcut on your phone that syncs over to your iPad where it won't run.

Or you could edit an existing Shortcut on your iPhone, and now the copy that used to work on your iPad doesn't.

Reminders and calendars

If Shortcuts is still not exactly as mainstream as Apple or even Shortcuts fans would like, there are similar issues with Reminders.

This, too, has been revamped and this, too, needs iOS, iPadOS and macOS Catalina installed before it all works together. Reminders syncs over iCloud and that iCloud syncing can't happen properly across everything until all three operating systems have the new version of Reminders.

Apple did put in a switch to Reminders on iOS that would, well, remind you of this issue. And there is an option to tell Reminders on iPhone not to try syncing yet, but if you get that option, you get it the first time you ever open Reminders.

Even if you delete it and reinstall, you don't get that option again. And if you fail to take up the option, this is what your Mac shows the next time you open Reminders there.

Not something you'd rush to see -- it's possible to lose all your Reminders on your Mac. Until macOS Catalina comes out.
Not something you'd rush to see -- it's possible to lose all your Reminders on your Mac. Until macOS Catalina comes out.


What's happened is that you accepted the new iOS 13 Reminders upgrade, and Apple has taken all of your tasks off iCloud. For now, they are in their own space, initially accessible solely by that Reminders app on your iPhone.

It's a little worse than that, too. Since so many calendar apps include Reminder or To Do functionality, the tasks disappear from there too. The makers of Fantastical have a support document explaining this, and the makers of BusyCal have one but also urge you to complain to Apple about it.

Worth it in the end

All of this does color how iOS 13, iPadOS 13, and macOS Catalina seem. Throw in how you will lose access to your old 32-bit apps when you upgrade to Catalina, and you may start wondering whether you should bother.

Some people shouldn't. Check out what's on your Mac that won't work in Catalina and decide whether it's better moving to a new app or sticking on the old system.

However, this will all soon be forgotten. Once macOS Catalina is out, the Reminders format will again work in iCloud and so, presumably, will return to your third-party To Do or Calendar apps.

This isn't new. Back in 2013 and 2014, there was around a month between iOS 7 and macOS Mavericks, and between iOS 8 and macOS Yosemite.

They just didn't have a third platform, like iPadOS, to contend with. And they weren't making such significant changes under the hood as we're seeing in 2019.

It will be worth it. By the end of October, at the latest, we will have the excellent macOS Catalina out and polished. We'll have all the good features promised for iOS 13 and iPadOS 13, without any -- okay, without all -- of the bugs we actually got.

And we'll also have the new tvOS so we can take our minds off all of this.



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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 20

    Nondestructive video is a waste of phone space and they need to get rid of it.

    I use my iPhone 7 as a dash cam on my commute to work and I film bad drivers. It is an hour commute and I record in 4K. Eat up my space quickly when switched to iOS13. I had to roll back to 12.4.1 just so I could continue to use my iPhone7. Yes, I do off load to my computer, but my edit videos are at most 100MB (usually 50MB) for 5-20sec of video. Now they are 5GB as it is really an 1 hour of video with pointers to the 5-20sec of video. That is unacceptable.

    They should not be punishing the power user because simple people don't know what they are doing......

    edited September 2019
  • Reply 2 of 20
    October 1st for Catalina would make sense. 
  • Reply 3 of 20
    SoliSoli Posts: 10,033member

    Nondestructive video is a waste of phone space and they need to get rid of it.

    I use my iPhone 7 as a dash cam on my commute to work and I film bad drivers. It is an hour commute and I record in 4K. Eat up my space quickly when switched to iOS13. I had to roll back to 12.4.1 just so I could continue to use my iPhone7. Yes, I do off load to my computer, but my edit videos are at most 100MB (usually 50MB) for 5-20sec of video. Now they are 5GB as it is really an 1 hour of video with pointers to the 5-20sec of video. That is unacceptable.

    They should be punishing the power user because simple people don't know what they are doing……

    1 )You're blaming Apple because you're using a handheld computer as a dash cam? Now I've heard everything. 🤦‍♂️

    2) I'd suggest that you send email to the maker of the iOS App Store dash cam app so they can see about altering their app to work better with iOS 13, but it sounds like you're using Apple default app instead of a dedicated app designed to work ideally as a dash cam.

    That's They should NOT be punishing the power user because simple people don't know what they are doing……
    Hey, power user, there is an edit button.
    bonobobStrangeDaysmdriftmeyerlkruppmichelb76watto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 20
    Can get access to your Reminders on iCloud.com from your Mac?
    edited September 2019 watto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 20
    Mike WuertheleMike Wuerthele Posts: 6,516administrator
    October 1st for Catalina would make sense. 
    We've heard several rumors, but none of them are that early.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 20
    Catalina WILL make you want to jump...off a cliff.
  • Reply 7 of 20

    Nondestructive video is a waste of phone space and they need to get rid of it.

    I use my iPhone 7 as a dash cam on my commute to work and I film bad drivers. It is an hour commute and I record in 4K. Eat up my space quickly when switched to iOS13. I had to roll back to 12.4.1 just so I could continue to use my iPhone7. Yes, I do off load to my computer, but my edit videos are at most 100MB (usually 50MB) for 5-20sec of video. Now they are 5GB as it is really an 1 hour of video with pointers to the 5-20sec of video. That is unacceptable.

    They should be punishing the power user because simple people don't know what they are doing......

    What sort of real world benefit do you see with 4K over 1080p when recording the car in front of you?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 20
    I always used to enter reminders on my phone, and then see them on my mac.  Now I can't do that.  For that reason and various others, I would call this a botched launch. But ... at least they had the phone I wanted at the Apple Store when I walked by, so that was fun 🍸😸
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 20
    I always used to enter reminders on my phone, and then see them on my mac.  Now I can't do that.  For that reason and various others, I would call this a botched launch. But ... at least they had the phone I wanted at the Apple Store when I walked by, so that was fun ߍ谟踦lt;/div>
    Can’t you just tap “don’t upgrade reminders yet” on your iphone when it asks? It says right in app that you may wish to wait if you run macOS. That hardly seems botched.
    edited September 2019 fastasleepminicoffeewatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 20
    Until Logic Pro X and third party OEM plugins are Catalina certified I've got zero vested interest in upgrading.
  • Reply 11 of 20
    I upgraded to 13.1 this morning from 12. I haven't seen any upgrade Reminders notifications yet and they are all still syncing to my Mojave and High Sierra computers and my wife's El Capitan iMac as before.


    watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 20
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 2,843member
    I think anyone is a bit nuts for jumping on any of these before a couple of weeks pass, unless they need to test or report on them.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 20
    A different way to look at this'll

    If your Mac is your primary work machine and you have applications that do not have an upgrade path going to Catalina, either a replacement application or the developer has committed to providing a 64 bit version do not upgrade to iOS 13 if you need your calendar and reminders to work together. Those individuals who went for an iPhones 11 are screwed if they can not update their mac. I think lots of people will be surprised when things do not sync.

    This happen last year with Books, they stopped syncing unless your devices were on iOS 12 and Mojave. Apple never really told people. 

    Beside reminders and calendars did Apple break anything else with IOS 13 and Catalina?
    cgWerkswatto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 20
    As long as the backup and restore of my iPhone (on iOS 13.1) happens ok on my Mac, I'm happy. I'm hoping my new phone arrives this week!
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 20
    If Shortcuts is still not exactly as mainstream as Apple or even Shortcuts fans would like, there are similar issues with Reminders.

    This, too, has been revamped and this, too, needs iOS, iPadOS and macOS Catalina installed before it all works together. Reminders syncs over iCloud and that iCloud syncing can't happen properly across everything until all three operating systems have the new version of Reminders.

    Apple did put in a switch to Reminders on iOS that would, well, remind you of this issue. And there is an option to tell Reminders on iPhone not to try syncing yet, but if you get that option, you get it the first time you ever open Reminders. 

    Even if you delete it and reinstall, you don't get that option again. And if you fail to take up the option, this is what your Mac shows the next time you open Reminders there.
    This is the most bewildering word salad I've seen from this author on such a critical piece of information. Clearly, several people in the comments are completely misunderstanding how this works. I've read it like five times and had to just go take a look myself to see what the actual situation was.

    When you first open the app, there is a full screen roadblock that very clearly asks you if you'd like to upgrade your Reminders, with a warning that all your devices will need updating as well before they can sync. It even listed my iPad Pro and MacBook Pro as devices that could be updated, and my old 2009 Mac mini as one that would not be able to. The only issue I see here is it does not mention that the new version of macOS doesn't come out until next month, which is going to confuse some people, and cause the issue where your Reminders won't show up on your Mac until you update. That's a problem if you can't or don't intend to upgrade macOS and not sure if there's a remedy. 

    BUT, all you have to do is hit Upgrade Later. There's a button to upgrade your lists in the app later. That's it.

    Apple's Calendar app is fine as is.


    maestro64 said:

    If your Mac is your primary work machine and you have applications that do not have an upgrade path going to Catalina, either a replacement application or the developer has committed to providing a 64 bit version do not upgrade to iOS 13 if you need your calendar and reminders to work together. Those individuals who went for an iPhones 11 are screwed if they can not update their mac. I think lots of people will be surprised when things do not sync.
    No. As long as you hit Upgrade Later, you're fine. Same for iPhone 11 buyers.

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 20
    xixoxixo Posts: 431member
    I will have to say goodbye to CS 6 if I upgrade; looking at VM options to avoid the Adobe tax of CC.

    Maybe I'll just wipe my iMac Pro's SSD, install Linux and then run MacOS in a VM for the must haves.
  • Reply 17 of 20
    As long as the backup and restore of my iPhone (on iOS 13.1) happens ok on my Mac, I'm happy. I'm hoping my new phone arrives this week!
    By the way, turns out pre-ordering again has made little sense. I walked into an Apple Store yesterday, picked out an iPhone 11 Pro, had the entire contents of my old phone transferred with a phone-to-phone connecting cable and that was it. And Apple gave me $100 for the trade-in. Easy, no waiting.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 20
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 2,843member
    xixo said:
    I will have to say goodbye to CS 6 if I upgrade; looking at VM options to avoid the Adobe tax of CC.
    Maybe I'll just wipe my iMac Pro's SSD, install Linux and then run MacOS in a VM for the must haves.
    I'm curious about this... if you're making money doing stuff that requires Adobe, how can you not keep current? If you're not making money, why would you use Adobe (there is better stuff for much cheaper)? Are you just using it to improve marketable skills?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 19 of 20


    maestro64 said:

    If your Mac is your primary work machine and you have applications that do not have an upgrade path going to Catalina, either a replacement application or the developer has committed to providing a 64 bit version do not upgrade to iOS 13 if you need your calendar and reminders to work together. Those individuals who went for an iPhones 11 are screwed if they can not update their mac. I think lots of people will be surprised when things do not sync.
    No. As long as you hit Upgrade Later, you're fine. Same for iPhone 11 buyers.

    Ah you missed the point,  iPhone 11 comes with iOS 13 thus it is immediately incompatible with Mojave calendars and reminders and I suspect there are other features which stop working unless all devices are on iOS 13 and Catalina at the same time. 

    As I found out with iBook/Books which were incompatible unless you were on Mojave/iOS 12, and you could not copy Books from Mojave on to a mac running High Sierra, since latest version of Books was incompatible with High Sierra. I willing to bet the same is true for Calendars and reminders and other cloud based service. To prove that point and this just happen last night, Safari updated to version 13 on my Mojave Imac and I get an message saying my 1password extension for safari is not longer compatible. I am assuming this is due to new security rules Apple implemented. If I had know this I would not have allowed Safari to update, no warning from Apple saying that 3 party extension will not work anymore. In this case there was a quick solution which was to pay to update 1 password to version 7 which is compatible with Safari 13 and Catalina which also uses Safari 13. I was quite happen with 1password 6 and did not feel the need to pay more money to update. 

    I believe that Apple is making some of these changes which then forces consumers to updated unnecessarily to help developers make more money. It is like your car engine being disable because a car company came out with a new model car with new features and tell everyone they should have the new features and update your ECU on your car. leaving no choose but to buy a new engine or new car. BYW this is not far fetched, Tesla send updates to their cars over night and people have gotten into their cars the next morning to find the UI looking different or feature working differently than before.
  • Reply 20 of 20
    maestro64 said:


    maestro64 said:

    If your Mac is your primary work machine and you have applications that do not have an upgrade path going to Catalina, either a replacement application or the developer has committed to providing a 64 bit version do not upgrade to iOS 13 if you need your calendar and reminders to work together. Those individuals who went for an iPhones 11 are screwed if they can not update their mac. I think lots of people will be surprised when things do not sync.
    No. As long as you hit Upgrade Later, you're fine. Same for iPhone 11 buyers.

    Ah you missed the point,  iPhone 11 comes with iOS 13 thus it is immediately incompatible with Mojave calendars and reminders and I suspect there are other features which stop working unless all devices are on iOS 13 and Catalina at the same time. 
    No, I didn’t. iOS 13 is not incompatible with Mojave’s Calendar at all, and you’d have to first launch Reminders and then choose to upgrade on the full screen warning page that explains the change will make your Reminders incompatible before they’d actually be incompatible. If you choose “Upgrade Later”, they’ll work just as they always have until you choose to upgrade. Calendar has nothing to do with this, for some reason William tied in 3rd party calendar apps that integrate with Reminders failing to work on the Mac should you upgrade your Reminders while your Mac is still on Mojave, as you’d Reminders would then be unavailable. It has nothing to do with Apple’s Calendar apps. 

    The rest of your comment is nonsense; it’s not a conspiracy. 
    watto_cobra
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