Apple hires drone & aviation law specialist Lisa Ellman as Washington lobbyist

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The move to hire former Obama administration expert Lisa Ellman suggests that Apple may be looking to utilize more drones in the future.

Drones were employed in improving Apple Maps data
Drones were employed in improving Apple Maps data


Lisa Ellman, a partner at Hogan Lovells, will lobby for Apple in Washington D.C. Ellman was responsible for the law firm's Unmanned Aircraft Systems practice and co-founded the Commercial Drone Alliance. She was recently listed in Fortune's "Most Powerful Women" series for her efforts to develop policy to govern drone use.

Ellman had worked for the Obama administration and the Justice Department earlier in her career. She is actively working to expand commercial drone use within the U.S.

Apple has had a vested interest in drones since 2017, when it began using them to collect data for Apple Maps.

Apple had lobbied the government on drone-related issues in both 2017 and 2018, according to disclosures to the U.S. Senate, as pointed out by Bloomberg.

In 2018, Apple had joined a special U.S. drone program that allowed it to test beyond what is normally allowed by the Federal Aviation Administration. The tests included flying over crowds, night flights, and operating outside of a pilots line-of-sight.

It is not currently clear what Apple's intentions are with its new lobbyist. It is safe to assume that the hire is intended to influence the development of laws relevant to drone-based improvement of Apple Maps.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 17
    .... and for Apple TV screen saver.
    randominternetpersondavgregStrangeDaysYvLyFred_Zifflewatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 17
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,166member
    I am surprised that rather than satellites, someone doesn’t try high altitude drones for mobile communications. Less lag, lower costs, easier maintenance. I guess it’s regulatory.
    edited January 2020
  • Reply 3 of 17
    DAalsethDAalseth Posts: 2,783member
    entropys said:
    I am surprised that rather than satellites, someone doesn’t try high altitude drones for mobile communications. Less lag, lower costs, easier maintenance. I guess it’s regulatory.
    I seem to remember, I believe Google was interested in this. Not regular drones, but more like small RC zeppelins or blimps.
    Carnagewatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 17
    hentaiboyhentaiboy Posts: 1,252member
    entropys said:
    I am surprised that rather than satellites, someone doesn’t try high altitude drones for mobile communications. Less lag, lower costs, easier maintenance. I guess it’s regulatory.
    Drone flight times max out at around 30 minutes. Hardly practical for that purpose.
    cornchipStrangeDays
  • Reply 5 of 17
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    hentaiboy said:
    entropys said:
    I am surprised that rather than satellites, someone doesn’t try high altitude drones for mobile communications. Less lag, lower costs, easier maintenance. I guess it’s regulatory.
    Drone flight times max out at around 30 minutes. Hardly practical for that purpose.
    Commercial drones last for far longer.   

    As for the article I’m not sure about the Apple Maps angle.   I would suggest far more immediate success as part of a news organization.  You could get the same sort of shots as a news Helio and at far lower expense.  At least that is what popped into my head.  

    Other ideas like flying taxis are a bit ahead of technology.  
  • Reply 6 of 17
    Drones were employed in improving Apple Maps data”

    I was sure the drones main usage would be getting cups of coffee...
    cornchip
  • Reply 7 of 17
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,166member
    hentaiboy said:
    entropys said:
    I am surprised that rather than satellites, someone doesn’t try high altitude drones for mobile communications. Less lag, lower costs, easier maintenance. I guess it’s regulatory.
    Drone flight times max out at around 30 minutes. Hardly practical for that purpose.
    A drone fit for purpose. It could be a great big solar powered blimp flying at 60-70,000 ft, stay up for weeks until it needs servicing.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 17
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Drones of all types need to be regulated much like airplanes already are:   You can buy one, possess one, or fly one unless you are cleared and licensed to do so.

    Soon we will have them flying over our houses without knowing which are being flown by a company for a legitimate purpose or which is being flown by your crazy neighbor or even a terrorist.   And, as drones become more common as well as bigger and more powerful the problem will continue to worsen.

    There are legitimate reasons and uses for drones and that has to be protected and promoted while blocking non legitimate uses (meaning they do not benefit society).
    DAalsethcornchipwatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 17
    Drones of all types need to be regulated much like airplanes already are:   You can buy one, possess one, or fly one unless you are cleared and licensed to do so.

    Soon we will have them flying over our houses without knowing which are being flown by a company for a legitimate purpose or which is being flown by your crazy neighbor or even a terrorist.   And, as drones become more common as well as bigger and more powerful the problem will continue to worsen.

    There are legitimate reasons and uses for drones and that has to be protected and promoted while blocking non legitimate uses (meaning they do not benefit society).
    You can't buy or possess an airplane without a license?  I don't believe that's true.  At least in the US we tend to regulate use rather than ownership.  The same should be the case with drones.
    cornchipwatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 17
    davgregdavgreg Posts: 1,037member
    Not all drones are unmanned and not all are battery only. There are drones where you are not the pilot - just a passenger or patient. An Israeli company has developed a drone that could be used to evacuate wounded people from remote sites or a battlefield with no pilot. A Chinese company has ones you could summon and ride in like a cab without a pilot.
  • Reply 11 of 17
    cornchipcornchip Posts: 1,949member
    Would be cool to finally get flyover in most areas. Having it in most bigger cities is nice, but sometimes it would be handy to have in more rural areas. Not sure what’s going on with lookaround either. Been over a year since they drove by my work. Still not in  Maps.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 12 of 17
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Drones of all types need to be regulated much like airplanes already are:   You can buy one, possess one, or fly one unless you are cleared and licensed to do so.

    Soon we will have them flying over our houses without knowing which are being flown by a company for a legitimate purpose or which is being flown by your crazy neighbor or even a terrorist.   And, as drones become more common as well as bigger and more powerful the problem will continue to worsen.

    There are legitimate reasons and uses for drones and that has to be protected and promoted while blocking non legitimate uses (meaning they do not benefit society).
    You can't buy or possess an airplane without a license?  I don't believe that's true.  At least in the US we tend to regulate use rather than ownership.  The same should be the case with drones.

    Yeh, that's true.   But it won't work with drones.   They can be small enough and don't require an airfield -- so if somebody has one they can easily fly it (unlike an airplane).

    But I see the regulations being complex:   It's one thing to give a farmer use of one to survey his fields but an entirely different one for an urban dweller to fly one around his city.  Then you get into commercial use where, say, CVS is flying one through the city to deliver medications.
    edited January 2020
  • Reply 13 of 17
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,877member
    entropys said:
    I am surprised that rather than satellites, someone doesn’t try high altitude drones for mobile communications. Less lag, lower costs, easier maintenance. I guess it’s regulatory.
    Atmospheric orbiters don’t need to land and recharge their batteries all the time, wear down motors, blades, etc. 

    Blimps exist and aren’t drones. 

    There is now a plane-blimp mashup called a plimp. 
    edited January 2020 watto_cobra
  • Reply 14 of 17
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,877member
    wizard69 said:
    hentaiboy said:
    entropys said:
    I am surprised that rather than satellites, someone doesn’t try high altitude drones for mobile communications. Less lag, lower costs, easier maintenance. I guess it’s regulatory.
    Drone flight times max out at around 30 minutes. Hardly practical for that purpose.
    Commercial drones last for far longer.   
    The bigger the drone, the heavier it and its payload is, the more battery it requires, which makes it heavier, etc.. The same problem exists.

    Which drones are you referring to?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 15 of 17
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,877member
    Drones of all types need to be regulated much like airplanes already are:   You can buy one, possess one, or fly one unless you are cleared and licensed to do so.

    Soon we will have them flying over our houses without knowing which are being flown by a company for a legitimate purpose or which is being flown by your crazy neighbor or even a terrorist.   And, as drones become more common as well as bigger and more powerful the problem will continue to worsen.

    There are legitimate reasons and uses for drones and that has to be protected and promoted while blocking non legitimate uses (meaning they do not benefit society).
    I assume you meant “can’t”...in which case I’m scratching my head that you believe banning personal recreation drones will be a thing. Impossible since you could never enforce such a thing, considering I can put a drone in my pocket and launch it from the palm of my hand. You can’t put that genie back into the bottle. 
    edited January 2020 radarthekatwatto_cobra
  • Reply 16 of 17
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,877member

    Drones of all types need to be regulated much like airplanes already are:   You can buy one, possess one, or fly one unless you are cleared and licensed to do so.

    Soon we will have them flying over our houses without knowing which are being flown by a company for a legitimate purpose or which is being flown by your crazy neighbor or even a terrorist.   And, as drones become more common as well as bigger and more powerful the problem will continue to worsen.

    There are legitimate reasons and uses for drones and that has to be protected and promoted while blocking non legitimate uses (meaning they do not benefit society).
    You can't buy or possess an airplane without a license?  I don't believe that's true.  At least in the US we tend to regulate use rather than ownership.  The same should be the case with drones.
    As I understand anyone can buy a plane, but in order to operate it legally it must be registered, and registration has requirements and restrictions. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 17
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    Drones of all types need to be regulated much like airplanes already are:   You can buy one, possess one, or fly one unless you are cleared and licensed to do so.

    Soon we will have them flying over our houses without knowing which are being flown by a company for a legitimate purpose or which is being flown by your crazy neighbor or even a terrorist.   And, as drones become more common as well as bigger and more powerful the problem will continue to worsen.

    There are legitimate reasons and uses for drones and that has to be protected and promoted while blocking non legitimate uses (meaning they do not benefit society).
    I assume you meant “can’t”...in which case I’m scratching my head that you believe banning personal recreation drones will be a thing. Impossible since you could never enforce such a thing, considering I can put a drone in my pocket and launch it from the palm of my hand. You can’t put that genie back into the bottle. 

    You are right, I did mean can't.   But I disagree that nothing can be regulated.  True, you may not eliminate every law breaker -- we still had Saturday Night Specials even though they were illegal -- just far fewer of them.  I don't buy the argument that if you can't get 100% compliance you should shoot for zero.
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