EU: "USB-C is great! Why is the rest of the world using USB-E?"
So what happens when a faster, more economical, more environmentally friendly method of wired (using USB-E) or wireless charging is developed? It stays in the lab until the EU gets around to taking a look and maybe approving it? This is government regulation gone completely insane to stifle innovation by mandating conformity. Why not just mandate Android as the official EU mobile operating system to make things easier for the common EU moron to use. If Apple wants to sell phones in the EU they have to run Android. Homogenized tech at its finest.
EU: "USB-C is great! Why is the rest of the world using USB-E?"
So what happens when a faster, more economical, more environmentally friendly method of wired (using USB-E) or wireless charging is developed? It stays in the lab until the EU gets around to taking a look and maybe approving it?
Yeah because is for the environment and nothing says “save the environment” more than the wasteful wireless charging and now they want it on laptops suuuure that’s not going to generate a wasteful amount of heat. Plus I am sure that people are going to wait patiently 3 or 4 days for a laptop battery to reach 100%. When it comes to tech no one knows better than politicians.
Yeah because is for the environment and nothing says “save the environment” more than the wasteful wireless charging and now they want it on laptops suuuure that’s not going to generate a wasteful amount of heat. Plus I am sure that people are going to wait patiently 3 or 4 days for a laptop battery to reach 100%. When it comes to tech no one knows better than politicians.
They are setting a standard for compatibility, not requiring that laptops have wireless charging capabilities. Since no laptops are currently shipping with wireless charging (to my knowledge) this will affect pretty much nothing for the forseeable future.
If Apple listens to these morons’ device decisions then what next?
I am 100% against politicians who know nothing about tech telling tech companies how to design devices.
They tell tech companies what plugs they need to use on their power supplies too. They tell tech companies what voltage they need to support. They tell tech companies what wireless bands they are able to operate in.
I wish they'd hurry it up. It's insane that Apple is still using proprietary ports in 2022, and if it takes legislation to force them to stop, then the world needs that legislation.
Lets see, Apple using a "proprietary" port on most of their devices except the newer iPads. I guess that make it a "standard" for folks in the Apple cult.
Someone needs to stop this madness and politicians are the perfect group to do it! /s
For me the larger problem is the companies still using mini and micro USB! That's such a horrible implementation.
Still cannot for the life of me figure out how this helps anything…. How often are people switching back and forth between iPhone to Android/other? I could maybe see if the turnover was 100% every year, but it’s not…. I’m just not seeing where the “excess e-waste” is coming in here? Heck, I was actually okay with ditching the charging cables and bricks with iPhones - we’ve had a standard plug for quite a while now, I don’t need new charging equipment every couple of years if the old ones still work fine!
Not according to Brazil judge, you have to have chargers or else
Apple should just look at this as another way to save the environment and effectively take 450,000 cars per year off the road like they did with not including the charger. Since everyone will already have USB-C cables Apple doesn’t have to include them in the box.
I wish they'd hurry it up. It's insane that Apple is still using proprietary ports in 2022, and if it takes legislation to force them to stop, then the world needs that legislation.
Rubbish. The proprietary innovation that is Lightning was an inspiration to the industry to make something better with USB, which before USB-C had stood still for a very long time and pretty much sucked.
In the free world, companies are allowed to make things that work best for them and see what happens. Customers loved products using the proprietary 30-pin and Lightning interfaces. The market spoke very clearly. iPods and iPhones would have been poorer products had they been forced to use existing-ports only.
You really believe that the USB-IF just created USB-C as a response to Apple’s Lightning port? These roadmaps are planned well in advance.
While I am not for this legislative move, I can see why if the industry is moving to a standard anyway. I am sure anyone that used the pre-smartphone cell phones can explain, each company and often each model of phone could have a different charging cable.
My issue with this is the current draft is to refined and I agree limits innovation.
I would have included these types of alternatives:
1. Where the device is exclusively charged through a cabled charger, the accepting charging port shall be a USB-C port.
2. Where the device is exclusively charged through wireless charging, the device shall be able to be charged utilizing the QI protocol.
3. Where the device has a proprietary charging port, the device shall have the ability to be charged through either of the aforementioned means, in addition to the proprietary port.
4. Notwithstanding the standards and protocols stated within, ………
I wish they'd hurry it up. It's insane that Apple is still using proprietary ports in 2022, and if it takes legislation to force them to stop, then the world needs that legislation.
Rubbish. The proprietary innovation that is Lightning was an inspiration to the industry to make something better with USB, which before USB-C had stood still for a very long time and pretty much sucked.
In the free world, companies are allowed to make things that work best for them and see what happens. Customers loved products using the proprietary 30-pin and Lightning interfaces. The market spoke very clearly. iPods and iPhones would have been poorer products had they been forced to use existing-ports only.
You really believe that the USB-IF just created USB-C as a response to Apple’s Lightning port? These roadmaps are planned well in advance.
Apple contributed to USB-C. Lightning came out 2 years before the initial publication (not final) of the USB-C spec. And there was very little talk of reversibility of port until Apple came out with Lightning.
Who knows how much of a direct response it was, but it seems likely that there was at least a bit of inspiration.
Interesting. If European forces want to force Apple to design a certain way what’s the point of designing anything new at all? Maybe you guys can go back to using land line phones ☎️
I wish they'd hurry it up. It's insane that Apple is still using proprietary ports in 2022, and if it takes legislation to force them to stop, then the world needs that legislation.
Do you know people can use their old lighting cable from previous iPhone? Apple standardize in their iPhone ecosystem before anyone. Since when android ever standardize their charging port?
I wish they'd hurry it up. It's insane that Apple is still using proprietary ports in 2022, and if it takes legislation to force them to stop, then the world needs that legislation.
Rubbish. The proprietary innovation that is Lightning was an inspiration to the industry to make something better with USB, which before USB-C had stood still for a very long time and pretty much sucked.
In the free world, companies are allowed to make things that work best for them and see what happens. Customers loved products using the proprietary 30-pin and Lightning interfaces. The market spoke very clearly. iPods and iPhones would have been poorer products had they been forced to use existing-ports only.
You really believe that the USB-IF just created USB-C as a response to Apple’s Lightning port? These roadmaps are planned well in advance.
Apple contributed to USB-C. Lightning came out 2 years before the initial publication (not final) of the USB-C spec. And there was very little talk of reversibility of port until Apple came out with Lightning.
Who knows how much of a direct response it was, but it seems likely that there was at least a bit of inspiration.
Reversibility of a port just means you have to have redundancy built in which means you are sacrificing data speed. You can use that same space for extra data lanes.
I wish they'd hurry it up. It's insane that Apple is still using proprietary ports in 2022, and if it takes legislation to force them to stop, then the world needs that legislation.
Rubbish. The proprietary innovation that is Lightning was an inspiration to the industry to make something better with USB, which before USB-C had stood still for a very long time and pretty much sucked.
In the free world, companies are allowed to make things that work best for them and see what happens. Customers loved products using the proprietary 30-pin and Lightning interfaces. The market spoke very clearly. iPods and iPhones would have been poorer products had they been forced to use existing-ports only.
You really believe that the USB-IF just created USB-C as a response to Apple’s Lightning port? These roadmaps are planned well in advance.
Apple contributed to USB-C. Lightning came out 2 years before the initial publication (not final) of the USB-C spec. And there was very little talk of reversibility of port until Apple came out with Lightning.
Who knows how much of a direct response it was, but it seems likely that there was at least a bit of inspiration.
Reversibility of a port just means you have to have redundancy built in which means you are sacrificing data speed. You can use that same space for extra data lanes.
what's the big deal? all macbooks use USB-c and some ipads use USB-c no one forced apple to use USB-c on those, it was by choice why can't all apple products use the same charging port??? the only reason they are against it is the money they earn on the "made for iphone" licensing which they can't make if they use USB-c it's not that its a better port or design
In the grand scheme of things this is not something that I am going worry about - at all. I personally like Apple's Lightning connector a lot and even prefer it even to USB-C connector for compactness and ease of use. But it has inherent limitations and even Apple has moved a number of their premier products to USB-C.
I do have a certain level of concern, for mankind in general, that moving to a "universal" charging solution will make some folks believe that all charging solutions, power bricks, cables, connectors, etc., are interchangeable with respect to quality too, which is a very bad assumption. I personally trust that whatever charging connector Apple puts on their next
generation of products that I purchase from them will serve my needs
perfectly well. I also trust that any charging solutions that Apple (and quality vendors like Anker) sell that follow
the EU's Anointed Charger Connection Standard will do their job safely and without electrocuting me or
burning down my house. It does not sound like the proposed standard will include any sort of UL/CSA/CE type of quality or safety requirements/testing. Those of us who care about those sort of things will still have to lean on reputable vendors like Apple for quality products. Because of this I don't see this having any negative impact on Apple sales. Sorry EU. You tried.
The silver lining here is that this move should be the final coffin nail for the oh-so-hideous micro-USB connector. Finding out that a device you've purchased or received as a gift has a micro-USB connector is like finding a milk drowned cockroach in the bottom of your cereal bowl. The benefits of burying the micro-USB garbage once and for all is worth the minor annoyances of USB-C. If there wasn't so much confusion around all the various flavors of USB-C cables it would be a slam dunk rather than just an acceptable outcome. However, two steps forward and one step back is still progress, which is about as good as it gets for any bureaucratic process.
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EU: "USB-C is great! Why is the rest of the world using USB-E?"
I am 100% against politicians who know nothing about tech telling tech companies how to design devices.
Are you still 100% against?
Someone needs to stop this madness and politicians are the perfect group to do it! /s
For me the larger problem is the companies still using mini and micro USB! That's such a horrible implementation.
My issue with this is the current draft is to refined and I agree limits innovation.
I would have included these types of alternatives:
1. Where the device is exclusively charged through a cabled charger, the accepting charging port shall be a USB-C port.
2. Where the device is exclusively charged through wireless charging, the device shall be able to be charged utilizing the QI protocol.
3. Where the device has a proprietary charging port, the device shall have the ability to be charged through either of the aforementioned means, in addition to the proprietary port.
4. Notwithstanding the standards and protocols stated within, ………
Who knows how much of a direct response it was, but it seems likely that there was at least a bit of inspiration.
Since when android ever standardize their charging port?
no one forced apple to use USB-c on those, it was by choice
why can't all apple products use the same charging port???
the only reason they are against it is the money they earn on the "made for iphone" licensing
which they can't make if they use USB-c
it's not that its a better port or design