SUV crashes through Apple Store, kills one, injures many more

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• Reply 1 of 13

  pulseimages Posts: 548member

  November 21, 2022 7:01PM

  Horrible thing to have happen especially with Thanksgiving just days away. Prayers to everyone affected. 

  
• Reply 2 of 13

  9secondkox2 Posts: 2,263member

  November 21, 2022 7:35PM

  Terrible. Praying for everyone impacted. Hope the driver gets justice served. 

  
• Reply 3 of 13

  gregoriusm Posts: 512member

  November 21, 2022 8:04PM

  I feel badly for those who were injured. However, I don’t think this helps at all: “A Fire Marshall at the scene described the crash as probably "intentional." “Probably” doesn’t cut it. People are going to vilify the driver enough as it is without knowing what actually happened. The Fire Marshall should have kept his mouth shut unless he knew for sure it was intentional, which he doesn’t, until it has been thoroughly investigated. 
  
  
  

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• Reply 4 of 13

  mdirvin Posts: 49member

  November 21, 2022 8:19PM

  gregoriusm said:

   “A Fire Marshall at the scene described the crash as probably "intentional." “Probably” doesn’t cut it. People are going to vilify the driver enough as it is without knowing what actually happened.
  
  
  

  Of course on the other hand you don't know what information was passed between the driver and the Fire Marshall as he was being extracted and transported to the ambulance.  He (the Fire Marshall) may have a lot more insight on what happened than you think.
  
  

  
• Reply 5 of 13

  lkrupp Posts: 10,557member

  November 21, 2022 8:36PM

  Of course we’ll have to wait for details but his happens more than you think with elderly or disabled people behind the wheel. They hit the gas instead of the brake and off they go right into the front of a store. Just happened in my town a few weeks ago. 

  
• Reply 6 of 13

  mrstep Posts: 503member

  November 21, 2022 9:14PM

  lkrupp said:

  Of course we’ll have to wait for details but his happens more than you think with elderly or disabled people behind the wheel. They hit the gas instead of the brake and off they go right into the front of a store. Just happened in my town a few weeks ago. 

  A high-70's neighbor drove through the back of his garage, also thought he was on the brake. No idea if that's what happened here, but accidents do happen as well.

  
• Reply 7 of 13

  davidmalcolm Posts: 371member

  November 21, 2022 9:49PM

  Honestly given the cost of what they sell, and how absolutely insane customers can get, all Apple Stores with facades that face outside should have big concrete posts that could stop a speeding car out front. I get that they might not look pretty, but cars have been used to attack Apple’s stores for years.
  
  I’m sure this is something someone has suggested is likely to happen some day. Particularly now that Jonny Ive is gone, there shouldn’t be anyone left at Apple do I practically fixated on design that they can’t put a few decorative engine high pillars out front. Feel free to make them silver, black, white, rainbow. Just put them there so that the staff and customers are safe. 

  
• Reply 8 of 13

  ihatescreennames Posts: 1,866member

  November 21, 2022 10:10PM

  davidmalcolm said:

  Honestly given the cost of what they sell, and how absolutely insane customers can get, all Apple Stores with facades that face outside should have big concrete posts that could stop a speeding car out front. I get that they might not look pretty, but cars have been used to attack Apple’s stores for years.
  
  I’m sure this is something someone has suggested is likely to happen some day. Particularly now that Jonny Ive is gone, there shouldn’t be anyone left at Apple do I practically fixated on design that they can’t put a few decorative engine high pillars out front. Feel free to make them silver, black, white, rainbow. Just put them there so that the staff and customers are safe. 

  One of the Apple Stores I frequent has exactly that. They’re about 8-10 pylons protruding from the sidewalk in front of the store. They are sheathed in what looks like stainless steel and don’t look bad at all. I figured they had done this sort of thing at most glass-fronted locations but I guess not. 

  
• Reply 9 of 13

  ronn Posts: 634member

  November 21, 2022 10:23PM

  Looks more and more like an intentional act. Especially since DA Cruz said the 52y.o. driver "was not taken to a hospital" and there is an "active criminal investigation."

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• Reply 10 of 13

  dewme Posts: 5,131member

  November 21, 2022 10:25PM

  ihatescreennames said:

  davidmalcolm said:

  Honestly given the cost of what they sell, and how absolutely insane customers can get, all Apple Stores with facades that face outside should have big concrete posts that could stop a speeding car out front. I get that they might not look pretty, but cars have been used to attack Apple’s stores for years.
  
  I’m sure this is something someone has suggested is likely to happen some day. Particularly now that Jonny Ive is gone, there shouldn’t be anyone left at Apple do I practically fixated on design that they can’t put a few decorative engine high pillars out front. Feel free to make them silver, black, white, rainbow. Just put them there so that the staff and customers are safe. 

  One of the Apple Stores I frequent has exactly that. They’re about 8-10 pylons protruding from the sidewalk in front of the store. They are sheathed in what looks like stainless steel and don’t look bad at all. I figured they had done this sort of thing at most glass-fronted locations but I guess not. 

  
  

  Yeah, a lot of stores have bollards or other secure barriers in front of entryways to prevent accidental and intentional vehicular intrusion. Target stores have large red balls that serve as barriers that also happen to fit into their branding aesthetic.
  

  
  

  I hope this incident is accidental but we'll have to wait and see what further investigation reveals.Very sad for everyone affected.
  

  
• Reply 11 of 13

  radarthekat Posts: 3,799moderator

  November 22, 2022 2:42AM

  davidmalcolm said:

  Honestly given the cost of what they sell, and how absolutely insane customers can get, all Apple Stores with facades that face outside should have big concrete posts that could stop a speeding car out front. I get that they might not look pretty, but cars have been used to attack Apple’s stores for years.
  
  I’m sure this is something someone has suggested is likely to happen some day. Particularly now that Jonny Ive is gone, there shouldn’t be anyone left at Apple do I practically fixated on design that they can’t put a few decorative engine high pillars out front. Feel free to make them silver, black, white, rainbow. Just put them there so that the staff and customers are safe. 

  I searched it on Google Maps and looked at the street view.  Even the Burton’s restaurant next door has no Bollards and, in fact, has outdoor seating a mere four feet from the parking lot.  And it’s actually directly on line of the roadway access to the parking lot, meaning the speeding driver had to turn the vehicle at the last minute to avoid smashing into that restaurant, with the only possible direction of turn being left, which would take it into the front of the Apple Store, which is set back about 30 feet more than the restaurant.  This suggests it might be possible it’s an unintended acceleration issue, with the driver swerving to avoid the restaurant and therefore hitting the Apple Store instead.  If the driver believed he/she was pressing the brake this would account for no skid marks leading up to the storefront prior to impact.  
  

  
  

  But yeah, fully agree there could have been a row of strong bollards installed out by the street that would not have lessened the esthetics of the facade, which is set back 30 feet.   But there are no bollards anywhere in that entire plaza that I could find in front of any of the stores.  Typically Apple leases its space and so it may not be in their power to dictate external additions like that.   

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• Reply 12 of 13

  fred1 Posts: 1,092member

  November 22, 2022 11:53AM

  And I thought it was too much that at an Apple Store near my hometown in California there’s always a police SUV parked in front with a police officer standing there. I wonder if this will cause Apple to do this in more places. Of course the right kind of bollards and/or planters would work too.