Despite China smartphone market contraction, Apple is still expanding

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As smartphone markets all across the globe wither away, China saw only two manufacturers pick up any new growth so far in 2023 -- and Apple is one of them.

iPhone 14 Pro Max
iPhone 14 Pro Max



The global smartphone market continues to contract even as 2023 ticks on, but Apple has managed to keep things relatively positive. Folks switching away from Android and opting for Apple's devices seem to be helping with that.

And China has not been able to miss the pressure, either, based on data from Counterpoint Research. Within its most recent "618 Sales Period Thematic Report," the analysts show that China saw its smartphone sales decline 8% year-over-year.

As far as growth is concerned, only two companies have seen any so far: Apple and Huawei. Counterpoint says Apple continues to excel in the premium market, and has avoided any major headwinds up to this point, or competition for that matter.

Apple saw an 8 percent year-over-year increase according to the data, while Huawei saw a massive leap up to 52% year-over-year.

Apple held just 15.2% of the Chinese smartphone market in 2022, but has jumped up to 17.9% according to the latest data. And despite Huawei turning things around from 6.5 percent in 2022 to 10.8% in 2023, it's still the smallest manufacturer tracked by the report.

Counterpoint Research's latest on China's smartphone market
Counterpoint Research's latest on China's smartphone market



Vivo fell 13% from 19.3% to 18.2%, Honor dropped a whopping 22% from 18.3% to 15.4%, Xiaomi slipped 14% year-over-year from 16.5% to 15.4%, and finally Oppo saw the biggest decline year-over-year with 24%, down to 13.8% from 16.8%.

Interestingly, the smartphone market saw a bit of a bump in the June record, up 30 percent compared to the pervious 18 days that Counterpoint tracked. According to the analysts, this is due to price cuts put in place by many manufacturers, especially by Xiaomi.

Despite the tension on the smartphone market right now all across the globe, Apple seems unfazed. In fact, if rumors pan out regarding the iPhone 15 Pro Max this year, it may be even more expensive than the iPhone 14 Pro Max.

The information was put together with data collected between June 1 and June 18, 2023.

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  • Reply 1 of 24
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)
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  • Reply 2 of 24
    BiCCbicc Posts: 59
    I personally know Yong Jr. and Yang Jr. at Huawei - They're getting lazy.  Not the same work ethic as Yong Sr. and Yang Sr.

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  • Reply 3 of 24
    danoxdanox Posts: 3,683member
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
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  • Reply 4 of 24
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,224member
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Android hasn't reached a dead end by any stretch of the imagination.

    Apple has been playing catch up for years now with a plethora of features that are long established on Android phones. 

    Cameras and battery technology have made up the lion's share of 'demand' features since around 2017. The periscope lens is still to appear on an iPhone. Folding or Flip phones? Another no. 

    Apple not as vertical as either Huawei or Samsung. 

    The Chinese market has contracted for a host of reasons and it is undeniable that Apple has been able to pick up slack there while Huawei re-jigged it's supply chains due to sanctions. 

    Huawei was on course not only to displace Apple but also Samsung. 

    On the software side, most of Apple’s new approaches to multi device features are what Huawei announced back in 2019. One major difference is that Apple has nowhere near the IoT spread that Huawei has and is now showing interest in HomeKit through Thread/Matter. 




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  • Reply 5 of 24
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,466member
    avon b7 said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Android hasn't reached a dead end by any stretch of the imagination.

    Apple has been playing catch up for years now with a plethora of features that are long established on Android phones. 

    Cameras and battery technology have made up the lion's share of 'demand' features since around 2017. The periscope lens is still to appear on an iPhone. Folding or Flip phones? Another no. 

    Apple not as vertical as either Huawei or Samsung. 

    The Chinese market has contracted for a host of reasons and it is undeniable that Apple has been able to pick up slack there while Huawei re-jigged it's supply chains due to sanctions. 

    Huawei was on course not only to displace Apple but also Samsung. 

    On the software side, most of Apple’s new approaches to multi device features are what Huawei announced back in 2019. One major difference is that Apple has nowhere near the IoT spread that Huawei has and is now showing interest in HomeKit through Thread/Matter. 




    Always, always, it's about Huawei for you...
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  • Reply 6 of 24
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
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  • Reply 7 of 24
    accsmobiaccsmobi Posts: 10member
    Its in build quality, best perf, operating system and name. And in those,Apple is the best . Had androids for many years,when I made the jump to iPhone ,you can see the difference. 

    One thing I still miss though,is the versatility and completeness of Google keyboard ,especially for languages other than english (autocorrect features) . In that regard Apple is still way behind
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  • Reply 8 of 24
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,466member
    waveparticle said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
    It's quite common knowledge that Tesla isn't in fact a leader in self driving/autonomous driving. Tesla failed to use Lidar, preferring cameras, which are notably poor in low light. Tesla's are noted for slamming into emergency vehicles responding to accidents, and are notorious for phantom braking, and sudden acceleration issues.

    More to the point, Tesla is selling lots of Model 3's and Y's, that are not now generating the margins that they once did, and are beginning to look dated against the competition. 

    Of course there is the Cybertruck which will appeal to a wide range of Tesla fanboys, but the reality is that it won't be a very useful vehicle against the ubiquitous pickup.
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  • Reply 9 of 24
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    waveparticle said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
    It's quite common knowledge that Tesla isn't in fact a leader in self driving/autonomous driving. Tesla failed to use Lidar, preferring cameras, which are notably poor in low light. Tesla's are noted for slamming into emergency vehicles responding to accidents, and are notorious for phantom braking, and sudden acceleration issues.

    More to the point, Tesla is selling lots of Model 3's and Y's, that are not now generating the margins that they once did, and are beginning to look dated against the competition. 

    Of course there is the Cybertruck which will appeal to a wide range of Tesla fanboys, but the reality is that it won't be a very useful vehicle against the ubiquitous pickup.
    What you said are bugs in its system. But Tesla cars can do summon. Which competitor has this feature?
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  • Reply 10 of 24
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,466member
    tmay said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
    It's quite common knowledge that Tesla isn't in fact a leader in self driving/autonomous driving. Tesla failed to use Lidar, preferring cameras, which are notably poor in low light. Tesla's are noted for slamming into emergency vehicles responding to accidents, and are notorious for phantom braking, and sudden acceleration issues.

    More to the point, Tesla is selling lots of Model 3's and Y's, that are not now generating the margins that they once did, and are beginning to look dated against the competition. 

    Of course there is the Cybertruck which will appeal to a wide range of Tesla fanboys, but the reality is that it won't be a very useful vehicle against the ubiquitous pickup.
    What you said are bugs in its system. But Tesla cars can do summon. Which competitor has this feature?
    LOL!

    Yes, they can do summons, but the results are often cringeworthy.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/22/23037654/tesla-crash-private-jet-reddit-video-smart-summon

    Smart Summon was first rolled out in 2019, and Tesla owners immediately began posting videos of near-crashes or confused, slow-moving vehicles. One Tesla owner tweeted about “front bumper damage” while another claimed their Model 3 “ran into the side of [a] garage.”

    A video of a near-collision with a speeding SUV left the owner feeling their test of Smart Summon “didn’t go so well.” Another Tesla was filmed by pedestrians and people in other cars seeming confused as it tried to make its way across a Walmart parking lot.

    Elon needs to stop beta testing with his customer's cars, because he and his customers "move fast and break things", or in the case of summons, "move slowly and break things".

    Dumb fucks...
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  • Reply 11 of 24
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
    It's quite common knowledge that Tesla isn't in fact a leader in self driving/autonomous driving. Tesla failed to use Lidar, preferring cameras, which are notably poor in low light. Tesla's are noted for slamming into emergency vehicles responding to accidents, and are notorious for phantom braking, and sudden acceleration issues.

    More to the point, Tesla is selling lots of Model 3's and Y's, that are not now generating the margins that they once did, and are beginning to look dated against the competition. 

    Of course there is the Cybertruck which will appeal to a wide range of Tesla fanboys, but the reality is that it won't be a very useful vehicle against the ubiquitous pickup.
    What you said are bugs in its system. But Tesla cars can do summon. Which competitor has this feature?
    LOL!

    Yes, they can do summons, but the results are often cringeworthy.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/22/23037654/tesla-crash-private-jet-reddit-video-smart-summon

    Smart Summon was first rolled out in 2019, and Tesla owners immediately began posting videos of near-crashes or confused, slow-moving vehicles. One Tesla owner tweeted about “front bumper damage” while another claimed their Model 3 “ran into the side of [a] garage.”

    A video of a near-collision with a speeding SUV left the owner feeling their test of Smart Summon “didn’t go so well.” Another Tesla was filmed by pedestrians and people in other cars seeming confused as it tried to make its way across a Walmart parking lot.

    Elon needs to stop beta testing with his customer's cars, because he and his customers "move fast and break things", or in the case of summons, "move slowly and break things".

    Dumb fucks...
    This is not what I asked. You said Tesla is not a leader of self driving technology. You failed to name a Tesla competitor. Let me put the question more understandable. Does BYD have the summon feature in its TVs? Yes or no? And don't forget this Tesla technology is available 2019. That is four years ago!
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  • Reply 12 of 24
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,466member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
    It's quite common knowledge that Tesla isn't in fact a leader in self driving/autonomous driving. Tesla failed to use Lidar, preferring cameras, which are notably poor in low light. Tesla's are noted for slamming into emergency vehicles responding to accidents, and are notorious for phantom braking, and sudden acceleration issues.

    More to the point, Tesla is selling lots of Model 3's and Y's, that are not now generating the margins that they once did, and are beginning to look dated against the competition. 

    Of course there is the Cybertruck which will appeal to a wide range of Tesla fanboys, but the reality is that it won't be a very useful vehicle against the ubiquitous pickup.
    What you said are bugs in its system. But Tesla cars can do summon. Which competitor has this feature?
    LOL!

    Yes, they can do summons, but the results are often cringeworthy.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/22/23037654/tesla-crash-private-jet-reddit-video-smart-summon

    Smart Summon was first rolled out in 2019, and Tesla owners immediately began posting videos of near-crashes or confused, slow-moving vehicles. One Tesla owner tweeted about “front bumper damage” while another claimed their Model 3 “ran into the side of [a] garage.”

    A video of a near-collision with a speeding SUV left the owner feeling their test of Smart Summon “didn’t go so well.” Another Tesla was filmed by pedestrians and people in other cars seeming confused as it tried to make its way across a Walmart parking lot.

    Elon needs to stop beta testing with his customer's cars, because he and his customers "move fast and break things", or in the case of summons, "move slowly and break things".

    Dumb fucks...
    This is not what I asked. You said Tesla is not a leader of self driving technology. You failed to name a Tesla competitor. Let me put the question more understandable. Does BYD have the summon feature in its TVs? Yes or no? And don't forget this Tesla technology is available 2019. That is four years ago!
    Do your own research. The summon feature is a gimmick, and has little to do with autonomous driving.

    Number one in self driving is Waymo.

    1: Waymo. Waymo, formerly known as the Google Self-Driving Car Project, is a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc. and is the leading self-driving car company in the world. With over 20 million miles of autonomous driving under its belt, Waymo has been developing its technology for over a decade.Apr 22, 2023
    Oh, and stop being so fucking rude to other posters, and you might get a better response.
    edited July 2023
    watto_cobrachutzpah
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  • Reply 13 of 24
    chutzpahchutzpah Posts: 392member
    waveparticle said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
    It's quite common knowledge that Tesla isn't in fact a leader in self driving/autonomous driving. Tesla failed to use Lidar, preferring cameras, which are notably poor in low light. Tesla's are noted for slamming into emergency vehicles responding to accidents, and are notorious for phantom braking, and sudden acceleration issues.

    More to the point, Tesla is selling lots of Model 3's and Y's, that are not now generating the margins that they once did, and are beginning to look dated against the competition. 

    Of course there is the Cybertruck which will appeal to a wide range of Tesla fanboys, but the reality is that it won't be a very useful vehicle against the ubiquitous pickup.
    What you said are bugs in its system. But Tesla cars can do summon. Which competitor has this feature?
    LOL!

    Yes, they can do summons, but the results are often cringeworthy.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/22/23037654/tesla-crash-private-jet-reddit-video-smart-summon

    Smart Summon was first rolled out in 2019, and Tesla owners immediately began posting videos of near-crashes or confused, slow-moving vehicles. One Tesla owner tweeted about “front bumper damage” while another claimed their Model 3 “ran into the side of [a] garage.”

    A video of a near-collision with a speeding SUV left the owner feeling their test of Smart Summon “didn’t go so well.” Another Tesla was filmed by pedestrians and people in other cars seeming confused as it tried to make its way across a Walmart parking lot.

    Elon needs to stop beta testing with his customer's cars, because he and his customers "move fast and break things", or in the case of summons, "move slowly and break things".

    Dumb fucks...
    This is not what I asked. You said Tesla is not a leader of self driving technology. You failed to name a Tesla competitor. Let me put the question more understandable. Does BYD have the summon feature in its TVs? Yes or no? And don't forget this Tesla technology is available 2019. That is four years ago!
    Other people don't exist to answer your questions.  Try some manners.
    tmayBart Y
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  • Reply 14 of 24
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
    It's quite common knowledge that Tesla isn't in fact a leader in self driving/autonomous driving. Tesla failed to use Lidar, preferring cameras, which are notably poor in low light. Tesla's are noted for slamming into emergency vehicles responding to accidents, and are notorious for phantom braking, and sudden acceleration issues.

    More to the point, Tesla is selling lots of Model 3's and Y's, that are not now generating the margins that they once did, and are beginning to look dated against the competition. 

    Of course there is the Cybertruck which will appeal to a wide range of Tesla fanboys, but the reality is that it won't be a very useful vehicle against the ubiquitous pickup.
    What you said are bugs in its system. But Tesla cars can do summon. Which competitor has this feature?
    LOL!

    Yes, they can do summons, but the results are often cringeworthy.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/22/23037654/tesla-crash-private-jet-reddit-video-smart-summon

    Smart Summon was first rolled out in 2019, and Tesla owners immediately began posting videos of near-crashes or confused, slow-moving vehicles. One Tesla owner tweeted about “front bumper damage” while another claimed their Model 3 “ran into the side of [a] garage.”

    A video of a near-collision with a speeding SUV left the owner feeling their test of Smart Summon “didn’t go so well.” Another Tesla was filmed by pedestrians and people in other cars seeming confused as it tried to make its way across a Walmart parking lot.

    Elon needs to stop beta testing with his customer's cars, because he and his customers "move fast and break things", or in the case of summons, "move slowly and break things".

    Dumb fucks...
    This is not what I asked. You said Tesla is not a leader of self driving technology. You failed to name a Tesla competitor. Let me put the question more understandable. Does BYD have the summon feature in its TVs? Yes or no? And don't forget this Tesla technology is available 2019. That is four years ago!
    Do your own research. The summon feature is a gimmick, and has little to do with autonomous driving.

    Number one in self driving is Waymo.

    1: Waymo. Waymo, formerly known as the Google Self-Driving Car Project, is a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc. and is the leading self-driving car company in the world. With over 20 million miles of autonomous driving under its belt, Waymo has been developing its technology for over a decade.Apr 22, 2023
    Oh, and stop being so fucking rude to other posters, and you might get a better response.
    The fact of the truths is other EV makers are not able to match Tesla. My original statement that Tesla is a leader in self driving technology is right. There are other more advanced self driving technology from Tesla that its competitors like BVD cannot do. The fact of the truths is Tesla market cap is close to one trillion dollars and it is not a gimmick just like AAPL is three trillion dollars. 
    edited July 2023
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  • Reply 15 of 24
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,466member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
    It's quite common knowledge that Tesla isn't in fact a leader in self driving/autonomous driving. Tesla failed to use Lidar, preferring cameras, which are notably poor in low light. Tesla's are noted for slamming into emergency vehicles responding to accidents, and are notorious for phantom braking, and sudden acceleration issues.

    More to the point, Tesla is selling lots of Model 3's and Y's, that are not now generating the margins that they once did, and are beginning to look dated against the competition. 

    Of course there is the Cybertruck which will appeal to a wide range of Tesla fanboys, but the reality is that it won't be a very useful vehicle against the ubiquitous pickup.
    What you said are bugs in its system. But Tesla cars can do summon. Which competitor has this feature?
    LOL!

    Yes, they can do summons, but the results are often cringeworthy.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/22/23037654/tesla-crash-private-jet-reddit-video-smart-summon

    Smart Summon was first rolled out in 2019, and Tesla owners immediately began posting videos of near-crashes or confused, slow-moving vehicles. One Tesla owner tweeted about “front bumper damage” while another claimed their Model 3 “ran into the side of [a] garage.”

    A video of a near-collision with a speeding SUV left the owner feeling their test of Smart Summon “didn’t go so well.” Another Tesla was filmed by pedestrians and people in other cars seeming confused as it tried to make its way across a Walmart parking lot.

    Elon needs to stop beta testing with his customer's cars, because he and his customers "move fast and break things", or in the case of summons, "move slowly and break things".

    Dumb fucks...
    This is not what I asked. You said Tesla is not a leader of self driving technology. You failed to name a Tesla competitor. Let me put the question more understandable. Does BYD have the summon feature in its TVs? Yes or no? And don't forget this Tesla technology is available 2019. That is four years ago!
    Do your own research. The summon feature is a gimmick, and has little to do with autonomous driving.

    Number one in self driving is Waymo.

    1: Waymo. Waymo, formerly known as the Google Self-Driving Car Project, is a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc. and is the leading self-driving car company in the world. With over 20 million miles of autonomous driving under its belt, Waymo has been developing its technology for over a decade.Apr 22, 2023
    Oh, and stop being so fucking rude to other posters, and you might get a better response.
    The fact of the truths is other EV makers are not able to match Tesla. My original statement that Tesla is a leader in self driving technology is right. There are other more advanced self driving technology from Tesla that its competitors like BVD cannot do. The fact of the truths is Tesla market cap is close to one trillion dollars and it is not a gimmick just like AAPL is three trillion dollars. 
    You are wrong on the facts. 

    Tesla has a very high market cap, true, but it isn't valued at anything close to its peers, likely because it isn't considered a automotive company. That anomaly is awesome for stockholders, but given that almost all of Tesla's current sales are Model 3's and Model Y's without FSD, which is still beta, all I see is a company that is currently chasing a low margin, low profit EV market. 

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/tesla-shareholder-suit-says-musk-and-co-lied-about-full-self-driving-safety/

    A class-action complaint alleges that Tesla and CEO Elon Musk repeatedly made false statements about the capabilities and safety of the electric carmaker's Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD) technology.

    The complaint, filed Monday in US District Court for the Northern District of California, comes less than two weeks after a recall of 362,758 cars based on a US government finding that Tesla's "FSD Beta system may allow the vehicle to act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution." The problem is slated to be fixed by an over-the-air software update.


    Will the Cybertruck be a success? Maybe, but again it is going to be selling into the existing Tesla base, while most truck buyers will opt for more practical solutions from other manufacturers. 

    One would have to appreciate how badly Tesla is being managed, given the Elon has basically torched his traditional liberal and environmentally conscious buyers with his off the cuff right wing comments, and his gross mismanagement of Twitter. 
    Bart Y
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  • Reply 16 of 24
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
    It's quite common knowledge that Tesla isn't in fact a leader in self driving/autonomous driving. Tesla failed to use Lidar, preferring cameras, which are notably poor in low light. Tesla's are noted for slamming into emergency vehicles responding to accidents, and are notorious for phantom braking, and sudden acceleration issues.

    More to the point, Tesla is selling lots of Model 3's and Y's, that are not now generating the margins that they once did, and are beginning to look dated against the competition. 

    Of course there is the Cybertruck which will appeal to a wide range of Tesla fanboys, but the reality is that it won't be a very useful vehicle against the ubiquitous pickup.
    What you said are bugs in its system. But Tesla cars can do summon. Which competitor has this feature?
    LOL!

    Yes, they can do summons, but the results are often cringeworthy.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/22/23037654/tesla-crash-private-jet-reddit-video-smart-summon

    Smart Summon was first rolled out in 2019, and Tesla owners immediately began posting videos of near-crashes or confused, slow-moving vehicles. One Tesla owner tweeted about “front bumper damage” while another claimed their Model 3 “ran into the side of [a] garage.”

    A video of a near-collision with a speeding SUV left the owner feeling their test of Smart Summon “didn’t go so well.” Another Tesla was filmed by pedestrians and people in other cars seeming confused as it tried to make its way across a Walmart parking lot.

    Elon needs to stop beta testing with his customer's cars, because he and his customers "move fast and break things", or in the case of summons, "move slowly and break things".

    Dumb fucks...
    This is not what I asked. You said Tesla is not a leader of self driving technology. You failed to name a Tesla competitor. Let me put the question more understandable. Does BYD have the summon feature in its TVs? Yes or no? And don't forget this Tesla technology is available 2019. That is four years ago!
    Do your own research. The summon feature is a gimmick, and has little to do with autonomous driving.

    Number one in self driving is Waymo.

    1: Waymo. Waymo, formerly known as the Google Self-Driving Car Project, is a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc. and is the leading self-driving car company in the world. With over 20 million miles of autonomous driving under its belt, Waymo has been developing its technology for over a decade.Apr 22, 2023
    Oh, and stop being so fucking rude to other posters, and you might get a better response.
    The fact of the truths is other EV makers are not able to match Tesla. My original statement that Tesla is a leader in self driving technology is right. There are other more advanced self driving technology from Tesla that its competitors like BVD cannot do. The fact of the truths is Tesla market cap is close to one trillion dollars and it is not a gimmick just like AAPL is three trillion dollars. 
    You are wrong on the facts. 

    Tesla has a very high market cap, true, but it isn't valued at anything close to its peers, likely because it isn't considered a automotive company. That anomaly is awesome for stockholders, but given that almost all of Tesla's current sales are Model 3's and Model Y's without FSD, which is still beta, all I see is a company that is currently chasing a low margin, low profit EV market. 

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/tesla-shareholder-suit-says-musk-and-co-lied-about-full-self-driving-safety/

    A class-action complaint alleges that Tesla and CEO Elon Musk repeatedly made false statements about the capabilities and safety of the electric carmaker's Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD) technology.

    The complaint, filed Monday in US District Court for the Northern District of California, comes less than two weeks after a recall of 362,758 cars based on a US government finding that Tesla's "FSD Beta system may allow the vehicle to act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution." The problem is slated to be fixed by an over-the-air software update.


    Will the Cybertruck be a success? Maybe, but again it is going to be selling into the existing Tesla base, while most truck buyers will opt for more practical solutions from other manufacturers. 

    One would have to appreciate how badly Tesla is being managed, given the Elon has basically torched his traditional liberal and environmentally conscious buyers with his off the cuff right wing comments, and his gross mismanagement of Twitter. 
    You are sidetracking. What I said is Tesla is the leader of self driving technology. You failed to dispute it. 
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  • Reply 17 of 24
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,466member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
    It's quite common knowledge that Tesla isn't in fact a leader in self driving/autonomous driving. Tesla failed to use Lidar, preferring cameras, which are notably poor in low light. Tesla's are noted for slamming into emergency vehicles responding to accidents, and are notorious for phantom braking, and sudden acceleration issues.

    More to the point, Tesla is selling lots of Model 3's and Y's, that are not now generating the margins that they once did, and are beginning to look dated against the competition. 

    Of course there is the Cybertruck which will appeal to a wide range of Tesla fanboys, but the reality is that it won't be a very useful vehicle against the ubiquitous pickup.
    What you said are bugs in its system. But Tesla cars can do summon. Which competitor has this feature?
    LOL!

    Yes, they can do summons, but the results are often cringeworthy.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/22/23037654/tesla-crash-private-jet-reddit-video-smart-summon

    Smart Summon was first rolled out in 2019, and Tesla owners immediately began posting videos of near-crashes or confused, slow-moving vehicles. One Tesla owner tweeted about “front bumper damage” while another claimed their Model 3 “ran into the side of [a] garage.”

    A video of a near-collision with a speeding SUV left the owner feeling their test of Smart Summon “didn’t go so well.” Another Tesla was filmed by pedestrians and people in other cars seeming confused as it tried to make its way across a Walmart parking lot.

    Elon needs to stop beta testing with his customer's cars, because he and his customers "move fast and break things", or in the case of summons, "move slowly and break things".

    Dumb fucks...
    This is not what I asked. You said Tesla is not a leader of self driving technology. You failed to name a Tesla competitor. Let me put the question more understandable. Does BYD have the summon feature in its TVs? Yes or no? And don't forget this Tesla technology is available 2019. That is four years ago!
    Do your own research. The summon feature is a gimmick, and has little to do with autonomous driving.

    Number one in self driving is Waymo.

    1: Waymo. Waymo, formerly known as the Google Self-Driving Car Project, is a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc. and is the leading self-driving car company in the world. With over 20 million miles of autonomous driving under its belt, Waymo has been developing its technology for over a decade.Apr 22, 2023
    Oh, and stop being so fucking rude to other posters, and you might get a better response.
    The fact of the truths is other EV makers are not able to match Tesla. My original statement that Tesla is a leader in self driving technology is right. There are other more advanced self driving technology from Tesla that its competitors like BVD cannot do. The fact of the truths is Tesla market cap is close to one trillion dollars and it is not a gimmick just like AAPL is three trillion dollars. 
    You are wrong on the facts. 

    Tesla has a very high market cap, true, but it isn't valued at anything close to its peers, likely because it isn't considered a automotive company. That anomaly is awesome for stockholders, but given that almost all of Tesla's current sales are Model 3's and Model Y's without FSD, which is still beta, all I see is a company that is currently chasing a low margin, low profit EV market. 

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/tesla-shareholder-suit-says-musk-and-co-lied-about-full-self-driving-safety/

    A class-action complaint alleges that Tesla and CEO Elon Musk repeatedly made false statements about the capabilities and safety of the electric carmaker's Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD) technology.

    The complaint, filed Monday in US District Court for the Northern District of California, comes less than two weeks after a recall of 362,758 cars based on a US government finding that Tesla's "FSD Beta system may allow the vehicle to act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution." The problem is slated to be fixed by an over-the-air software update.


    Will the Cybertruck be a success? Maybe, but again it is going to be selling into the existing Tesla base, while most truck buyers will opt for more practical solutions from other manufacturers. 

    One would have to appreciate how badly Tesla is being managed, given the Elon has basically torched his traditional liberal and environmentally conscious buyers with his off the cuff right wing comments, and his gross mismanagement of Twitter. 
    You are sidetracking. What I said is Tesla is the leader of self driving technology. You failed to dispute it. 
    I posted that Waymo is the leader in self/autonomous driving technology. That is not in dispute. Elon fucked himself over when he went with cameras for low cost, instead of LIDAR. Massive fail, but hey, look at the market cap!

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/04/who-will-win-the-self-driving-race-here-are-8-possibilities/

    DBAD.
    edited July 2023
    Bart Y
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  • Reply 18 of 24
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
    It's quite common knowledge that Tesla isn't in fact a leader in self driving/autonomous driving. Tesla failed to use Lidar, preferring cameras, which are notably poor in low light. Tesla's are noted for slamming into emergency vehicles responding to accidents, and are notorious for phantom braking, and sudden acceleration issues.

    More to the point, Tesla is selling lots of Model 3's and Y's, that are not now generating the margins that they once did, and are beginning to look dated against the competition. 

    Of course there is the Cybertruck which will appeal to a wide range of Tesla fanboys, but the reality is that it won't be a very useful vehicle against the ubiquitous pickup.
    What you said are bugs in its system. But Tesla cars can do summon. Which competitor has this feature?
    LOL!

    Yes, they can do summons, but the results are often cringeworthy.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/22/23037654/tesla-crash-private-jet-reddit-video-smart-summon

    Smart Summon was first rolled out in 2019, and Tesla owners immediately began posting videos of near-crashes or confused, slow-moving vehicles. One Tesla owner tweeted about “front bumper damage” while another claimed their Model 3 “ran into the side of [a] garage.”

    A video of a near-collision with a speeding SUV left the owner feeling their test of Smart Summon “didn’t go so well.” Another Tesla was filmed by pedestrians and people in other cars seeming confused as it tried to make its way across a Walmart parking lot.

    Elon needs to stop beta testing with his customer's cars, because he and his customers "move fast and break things", or in the case of summons, "move slowly and break things".

    Dumb fucks...
    This is not what I asked. You said Tesla is not a leader of self driving technology. You failed to name a Tesla competitor. Let me put the question more understandable. Does BYD have the summon feature in its TVs? Yes or no? And don't forget this Tesla technology is available 2019. That is four years ago!
    Do your own research. The summon feature is a gimmick, and has little to do with autonomous driving.

    Number one in self driving is Waymo.

    1: Waymo. Waymo, formerly known as the Google Self-Driving Car Project, is a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc. and is the leading self-driving car company in the world. With over 20 million miles of autonomous driving under its belt, Waymo has been developing its technology for over a decade.Apr 22, 2023
    Oh, and stop being so fucking rude to other posters, and you might get a better response.
    The fact of the truths is other EV makers are not able to match Tesla. My original statement that Tesla is a leader in self driving technology is right. There are other more advanced self driving technology from Tesla that its competitors like BVD cannot do. The fact of the truths is Tesla market cap is close to one trillion dollars and it is not a gimmick just like AAPL is three trillion dollars. 
    You are wrong on the facts. 

    Tesla has a very high market cap, true, but it isn't valued at anything close to its peers, likely because it isn't considered a automotive company. That anomaly is awesome for stockholders, but given that almost all of Tesla's current sales are Model 3's and Model Y's without FSD, which is still beta, all I see is a company that is currently chasing a low margin, low profit EV market. 

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/tesla-shareholder-suit-says-musk-and-co-lied-about-full-self-driving-safety/

    A class-action complaint alleges that Tesla and CEO Elon Musk repeatedly made false statements about the capabilities and safety of the electric carmaker's Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD) technology.

    The complaint, filed Monday in US District Court for the Northern District of California, comes less than two weeks after a recall of 362,758 cars based on a US government finding that Tesla's "FSD Beta system may allow the vehicle to act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution." The problem is slated to be fixed by an over-the-air software update.


    Will the Cybertruck be a success? Maybe, but again it is going to be selling into the existing Tesla base, while most truck buyers will opt for more practical solutions from other manufacturers. 

    One would have to appreciate how badly Tesla is being managed, given the Elon has basically torched his traditional liberal and environmentally conscious buyers with his off the cuff right wing comments, and his gross mismanagement of Twitter. 
    You are sidetracking. What I said is Tesla is the leader of self driving technology. You failed to dispute it. 
    I posted that Waymo is the leader in self/autonomous driving technology. That is not in dispute. Elon fucked himself over when he went with cameras for low cost, instead of LIDAR. Massive fail, but hey, look at the market cap!

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/04/who-will-win-the-self-driving-race-here-are-8-possibilities/

    DBAD.
    This article is outdated. No one is commenting after a few days. Its credibility is in question.  
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  • Reply 19 of 24
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,466member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
    It's quite common knowledge that Tesla isn't in fact a leader in self driving/autonomous driving. Tesla failed to use Lidar, preferring cameras, which are notably poor in low light. Tesla's are noted for slamming into emergency vehicles responding to accidents, and are notorious for phantom braking, and sudden acceleration issues.

    More to the point, Tesla is selling lots of Model 3's and Y's, that are not now generating the margins that they once did, and are beginning to look dated against the competition. 

    Of course there is the Cybertruck which will appeal to a wide range of Tesla fanboys, but the reality is that it won't be a very useful vehicle against the ubiquitous pickup.
    What you said are bugs in its system. But Tesla cars can do summon. Which competitor has this feature?
    LOL!

    Yes, they can do summons, but the results are often cringeworthy.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/22/23037654/tesla-crash-private-jet-reddit-video-smart-summon

    Smart Summon was first rolled out in 2019, and Tesla owners immediately began posting videos of near-crashes or confused, slow-moving vehicles. One Tesla owner tweeted about “front bumper damage” while another claimed their Model 3 “ran into the side of [a] garage.”

    A video of a near-collision with a speeding SUV left the owner feeling their test of Smart Summon “didn’t go so well.” Another Tesla was filmed by pedestrians and people in other cars seeming confused as it tried to make its way across a Walmart parking lot.

    Elon needs to stop beta testing with his customer's cars, because he and his customers "move fast and break things", or in the case of summons, "move slowly and break things".

    Dumb fucks...
    This is not what I asked. You said Tesla is not a leader of self driving technology. You failed to name a Tesla competitor. Let me put the question more understandable. Does BYD have the summon feature in its TVs? Yes or no? And don't forget this Tesla technology is available 2019. That is four years ago!
    Do your own research. The summon feature is a gimmick, and has little to do with autonomous driving.

    Number one in self driving is Waymo.

    1: Waymo. Waymo, formerly known as the Google Self-Driving Car Project, is a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc. and is the leading self-driving car company in the world. With over 20 million miles of autonomous driving under its belt, Waymo has been developing its technology for over a decade.Apr 22, 2023
    Oh, and stop being so fucking rude to other posters, and you might get a better response.
    The fact of the truths is other EV makers are not able to match Tesla. My original statement that Tesla is a leader in self driving technology is right. There are other more advanced self driving technology from Tesla that its competitors like BVD cannot do. The fact of the truths is Tesla market cap is close to one trillion dollars and it is not a gimmick just like AAPL is three trillion dollars. 
    You are wrong on the facts. 

    Tesla has a very high market cap, true, but it isn't valued at anything close to its peers, likely because it isn't considered a automotive company. That anomaly is awesome for stockholders, but given that almost all of Tesla's current sales are Model 3's and Model Y's without FSD, which is still beta, all I see is a company that is currently chasing a low margin, low profit EV market. 

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/tesla-shareholder-suit-says-musk-and-co-lied-about-full-self-driving-safety/

    A class-action complaint alleges that Tesla and CEO Elon Musk repeatedly made false statements about the capabilities and safety of the electric carmaker's Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD) technology.

    The complaint, filed Monday in US District Court for the Northern District of California, comes less than two weeks after a recall of 362,758 cars based on a US government finding that Tesla's "FSD Beta system may allow the vehicle to act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution." The problem is slated to be fixed by an over-the-air software update.


    Will the Cybertruck be a success? Maybe, but again it is going to be selling into the existing Tesla base, while most truck buyers will opt for more practical solutions from other manufacturers. 

    One would have to appreciate how badly Tesla is being managed, given the Elon has basically torched his traditional liberal and environmentally conscious buyers with his off the cuff right wing comments, and his gross mismanagement of Twitter. 
    You are sidetracking. What I said is Tesla is the leader of self driving technology. You failed to dispute it. 
    I posted that Waymo is the leader in self/autonomous driving technology. That is not in dispute. Elon fucked himself over when he went with cameras for low cost, instead of LIDAR. Massive fail, but hey, look at the market cap!

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/04/who-will-win-the-self-driving-race-here-are-8-possibilities/

    DBAD.
    This article is outdated because Tesla has removed lidar. 
    Tesla removed RADAR and Ultrasonic sensors during maintenance, not LIDAR.

    https://www.tesla.com/support/transitioning-tesla-vision

    https://insideevs.com/news/658439/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-autopilot-engineers-radar-removal/

    A significant number of Tesla engineers were overruled by the company’s CEO Elon Musk when they tried to warn him that removing the radar sensor from the American carmaker’s models would be problematic, a new report published in The Washington Post shows.

    Back in May 2021, Tesla announced that it was eliminating radar on its new cars in a push to switch to the so-called Tesla Vision approach, which only uses cameras to “see” the road and neural networks that are supposed to mimic the way a human brain works.

    Before the announcement, however, several Tesla engineers were worried that this move had a high risk of causing problems, including increasing the risk of accidents if the cameras were obscured by raindrops or even bright sunlight.


    Still no LIDAR

    Now you might want to do some more research on your own.
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  • Reply 20 of 24
    waveparticlewaveparticle Posts: 1,497member
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    tmay said:
    danox said:
    One critical reason the global smartphone market is shrinking is Chinese manufacturers are not able to produce more of them. There are several reasons. You can provide one of yours.  :)

    Samsung, Google Pixel and others in the Android world have reached a dead end, in the hardware and OS software areas, they aren’t getting better, but Apple being vertical is (are slowly growing in the Chinese, Japanese and US markets) and that will become even more apparent once the Apple Vision Pro is released next year.

    The Chinese, Japanese, and even the South Korean markets will buy the best hardware and software, but what they won’t buy is the second tier, i.e. the Google Pixel or the Microsoft Surface, but they (the upper end) well buy the best first tier, Western products (i.e., Apple computer, Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi, Porsche, Rolex, name brand fashions, Viking, Smeg appliances, etc…

    Those that can afford however will not buy the second and third tier products from the west, not if they can buy a cheaper knock offs from the east and that is one of the reasons Tesla will be dead in China, South Korea, and Japan when it comes to car sales in time they ain’t first tier. Tesla’s ultimate market share in those countries will be virtually zero over time, and their Chinese market will disappear to a footnote similar to Samsung’s current China market share.

    Apple strategy of designing the best and engineering, the best is the reason for their resilience in the market place worldwide, aside from having a great supply chain when compared to the competition.

    https://www.investors.com/news/tesla-cuts-prices-in-japan-as-focus-turns-to-margins-tsla-stock-slips/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/europe-ev-sales-q1-2023/
    https://www.counterpointresearch.com/global-ev-sales-q3-2022/
    Apple strengths over Android and Windows are its OSs, iOS and MacOSX. They are efficient builtin. In order to match iPhone and Mac, the competitors need to put more RAM in the hardware. 

    Tesla strength is its pioneering self driving technology. The competitors fight Tesla independently. This caused them to spend more resources than Tesla and cannot match Tesla EV. Musk said Tesla will bring out a higher level of self driving than FSD later this year. 
    It's quite common knowledge that Tesla isn't in fact a leader in self driving/autonomous driving. Tesla failed to use Lidar, preferring cameras, which are notably poor in low light. Tesla's are noted for slamming into emergency vehicles responding to accidents, and are notorious for phantom braking, and sudden acceleration issues.

    More to the point, Tesla is selling lots of Model 3's and Y's, that are not now generating the margins that they once did, and are beginning to look dated against the competition. 

    Of course there is the Cybertruck which will appeal to a wide range of Tesla fanboys, but the reality is that it won't be a very useful vehicle against the ubiquitous pickup.
    What you said are bugs in its system. But Tesla cars can do summon. Which competitor has this feature?
    LOL!

    Yes, they can do summons, but the results are often cringeworthy.

    https://www.theverge.com/2022/4/22/23037654/tesla-crash-private-jet-reddit-video-smart-summon

    Smart Summon was first rolled out in 2019, and Tesla owners immediately began posting videos of near-crashes or confused, slow-moving vehicles. One Tesla owner tweeted about “front bumper damage” while another claimed their Model 3 “ran into the side of [a] garage.”

    A video of a near-collision with a speeding SUV left the owner feeling their test of Smart Summon “didn’t go so well.” Another Tesla was filmed by pedestrians and people in other cars seeming confused as it tried to make its way across a Walmart parking lot.

    Elon needs to stop beta testing with his customer's cars, because he and his customers "move fast and break things", or in the case of summons, "move slowly and break things".

    Dumb fucks...
    This is not what I asked. You said Tesla is not a leader of self driving technology. You failed to name a Tesla competitor. Let me put the question more understandable. Does BYD have the summon feature in its TVs? Yes or no? And don't forget this Tesla technology is available 2019. That is four years ago!
    Do your own research. The summon feature is a gimmick, and has little to do with autonomous driving.

    Number one in self driving is Waymo.

    1: Waymo. Waymo, formerly known as the Google Self-Driving Car Project, is a subsidiary of Alphabet Inc. and is the leading self-driving car company in the world. With over 20 million miles of autonomous driving under its belt, Waymo has been developing its technology for over a decade.Apr 22, 2023
    Oh, and stop being so fucking rude to other posters, and you might get a better response.
    The fact of the truths is other EV makers are not able to match Tesla. My original statement that Tesla is a leader in self driving technology is right. There are other more advanced self driving technology from Tesla that its competitors like BVD cannot do. The fact of the truths is Tesla market cap is close to one trillion dollars and it is not a gimmick just like AAPL is three trillion dollars. 
    You are wrong on the facts. 

    Tesla has a very high market cap, true, but it isn't valued at anything close to its peers, likely because it isn't considered a automotive company. That anomaly is awesome for stockholders, but given that almost all of Tesla's current sales are Model 3's and Model Y's without FSD, which is still beta, all I see is a company that is currently chasing a low margin, low profit EV market. 

    https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/02/tesla-shareholder-suit-says-musk-and-co-lied-about-full-self-driving-safety/

    A class-action complaint alleges that Tesla and CEO Elon Musk repeatedly made false statements about the capabilities and safety of the electric carmaker's Autopilot and Full Self-Driving (FSD) technology.

    The complaint, filed Monday in US District Court for the Northern District of California, comes less than two weeks after a recall of 362,758 cars based on a US government finding that Tesla's "FSD Beta system may allow the vehicle to act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution." The problem is slated to be fixed by an over-the-air software update.


    Will the Cybertruck be a success? Maybe, but again it is going to be selling into the existing Tesla base, while most truck buyers will opt for more practical solutions from other manufacturers. 

    One would have to appreciate how badly Tesla is being managed, given the Elon has basically torched his traditional liberal and environmentally conscious buyers with his off the cuff right wing comments, and his gross mismanagement of Twitter. 
    You are sidetracking. What I said is Tesla is the leader of self driving technology. You failed to dispute it. 
    I posted that Waymo is the leader in self/autonomous driving technology. That is not in dispute. Elon fucked himself over when he went with cameras for low cost, instead of LIDAR. Massive fail, but hey, look at the market cap!

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/04/who-will-win-the-self-driving-race-here-are-8-possibilities/

    DBAD.
    This article is outdated because Tesla has removed lidar. 
    Tesla removed RADAR and Ultrasonic sensors during maintenance, not LIDAR.

    https://www.tesla.com/support/transitioning-tesla-vision

    https://insideevs.com/news/658439/elon-musk-overruled-tesla-autopilot-engineers-radar-removal/

    A significant number of Tesla engineers were overruled by the company’s CEO Elon Musk when they tried to warn him that removing the radar sensor from the American carmaker’s models would be problematic, a new report published in The Washington Post shows.

    Back in May 2021, Tesla announced that it was eliminating radar on its new cars in a push to switch to the so-called Tesla Vision approach, which only uses cameras to “see” the road and neural networks that are supposed to mimic the way a human brain works.

    Before the announcement, however, several Tesla engineers were worried that this move had a high risk of causing problems, including increasing the risk of accidents if the cameras were obscured by raindrops or even bright sunlight.


    Still no LIDAR

    Now you might want to do some more research on your own.
    LOL Your research is outdated and flawed. You are living in yesterday in a rapidly changing world. Sad!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=do+tesla+cars+use+lidar&sxsrf=AB5stBjJbLRg0nc4v6vGFEHoWk5TPzRKVQ%3A1688924278513&source=hp&ei=dvCqZIK6HcjRkPIPjZen4Ac&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZKr-hrPLujJOm8OVhpoPeO3eb8-AswlS&oq=does+tesla+ev+use+lidar&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIGCAAQFhAeMggIABCKBRCGAzIICAAQigUQhgMyCAgAEIoFEIYDOgQIIxAnOgcIIxCKBRAnOggIABCKBRCRAjoLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBEMcBENEDOggIABCABBCxAzoFCAAQgAQ6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOhQILhCKBRCxAxCDARDHARDRAxCRAjoICC4QgAQQsQM6CAgAEIoFELEDOgoIABCABBAUEIcCOgsIABCKBRCxAxCDAToHCAAQgAQQCjoFCCEQoAE6BQghEKsCOggIIRAWEB4QHVAAWItTYNJhaABwAHgAgAFaiAH9CpIBAjIzmAEAoAEB&sclient=gws-wiz
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