i only ever use mainstream apps - Netflix , Spotify, YouTube and the like
it will be an absolute pleasure to pay outside the AppStore!
whohooooo f u Apple 🍏
You can pay for all of those services outside of Apple now? Not sure why you are taking such pleasure in saying fu to Apple, but to each his own.
I've been paying for Youtube red and now premium for years directly to youtube/google with paypal. Same with Netflix and other streaming apps. Once I realized google was passing the 30% apple tax for paying via subscription with Apple ( 9.99 vs 12.99 ) I went and set up my payments through Youtube and never looked back.
1, Alternative App Stores will eventually open in Europe. Apple will still have some level of approval/control on how they run their business. Curious people will go check it out.
Apple has full control of how they run their business. This regulation does not take away from that. But users have a right to install whatever they want on their devices without any say, involvement or control from Apple - or any particular government for that matter - so long as it does not facilitate criminal activity. While I would never provide my contact or payment info to a shady app store, I can certainly see a situation where there might be an App or Game that Apple has declined to list in its store (or outright banned) that I'd like to install from a reputable source. For example, I do not currently play any Epic video games, but perhaps at some point I may; and Apple has banned them. Right now, Apple is the gatekeeper with final say over what I can and cannot install on my phone. My phone is my property, so that gatekeeper should be me, and me alone.
This is exactly why Apple should let users like you replace iOS with Android, so you can install whatever you want on your phone. If Apple supports Android on iPhone, then that's your path to get exactly and whatever you want. If Apple supported Android on iPhone, then the 5% of you who want malware or Epic software on iPhones can get it. The rest will choose a secure, private OS called iOS. Apple's obligation to support 3rd party app stores will have been met by its official support for Android.
Is any of this really about "Alternative App Stores"? Does anyone actually care about alternative app stores?
This is more about distributing Apps without needing Apple's approval. This is about distributing Apps that are not blocked because of business reasons...Apple's business reasons. This is about being able to distribute an app, free or not, right on your own website, directly to your users.
If Apple had been more flexible and less unrealistic with their control, no one would have ever asked for this.
Some of those business reasons include directly marketing addictive gambling-like apps to children, something Epic was found guilty of and fined for.
Parents already think in-app purchases are exploiting their kids, 3rd party app stores will dial this up to 11 - spam, pornography, gambling, crypto scams, adware, banking malware. This is already known from 3rd party Android stores.
There will be some benefit to having stores like Steam where people would be able to buy games once and play on iPhone, Mac, Windows but even the big players who people expect to play nicely will have some unethical business practices. Spotify regularly admits that Apple blocks them from being able to push their free customers into paying customers by spamming them with marketing.
1, Alternative App Stores will eventually open in Europe. Apple will still have some level of approval/control on how they run their business. Curious people will go check it out.
Apple has full control of how they run their business. This regulation does not take away from that. But users have a right to install whatever they want on their devices without any say, involvement or control from Apple - or any particular government for that matter - so long as it does not facilitate criminal activity. While I would never provide my contact or payment info to a shady app store, I can certainly see a situation where there might be an App or Game that Apple has declined to list in its store (or outright banned) that I'd like to install from a reputable source. For example, I do not currently play any Epic video games, but perhaps at some point I may; and Apple has banned them. Right now, Apple is the gatekeeper with final say over what I can and cannot install on my phone. My phone is my property, so that gatekeeper should be me, and me alone.
This is exactly why Apple should let users like you replace iOS with Android, so you can install whatever you want on your phone. If Apple supports Android on iPhone, then that's your path to get exactly and whatever you want. If Apple supported Android on iPhone, then the 5% of you who want malware or Epic software on iPhones can get it. The rest will choose a secure, private OS called iOS. Apple's obligation to support 3rd party app stores will have been met by its official support for Android.
They would have to write Android drivers for iPhone hardware. It would be easier to have a virtual machine similar to the iOS simulator and keep all 3rd party stores in there, isolated from native apps. There can be a sandbox per store (which Apple could potentially charge for) or one for all 3rd party stores together. These sandboxes might not get access to biometric authentication.
Another aspect of this people haven't spoken much about is that governments will start requiring installing their own store for government apps like id, healthcare, social security etc, which no doubt will have some backdoor in it so should the need arise, they will be able to unlock phones with it. There would be nothing stopping location tracking too, link social security id to everywhere you go. Apple needs to sandbox 3rd party app stores and give users the option to suspend apps in the sandbox.
Those using the 3rd party app stores for their products will quickly find out 99.99% of iPhone users will never venture over there to hand out the credit card and personal information to another company. They may well find out the $99 developer kit is no longer $99 for them or their is a per install licensing fee. The really do not know how good they have it now.
iPhone users share their credit cards with Amazon, Sony, Google, Paypal, and a lot more - and personal information with Meta... it isn't like "99.99%" of users have very high standards. This will change things. All companies doing apps should start their planning. Apple is adding 43% to prices. That revenue could go to developers or lower prices. Users might download apps from Apple but pay through Paypal. And developers might offer 2 in-app prices "Apple" or "Paypal".
There's a difference between customers willing to sharing their CC info with companies like Amazon, Sony, Google PayPal or even smaller developers like Epic Games, than with a developer that is selling a $1.99 crypto app that they might be interested in but not allowed in the Apple App Store.
You haven't been keeping up. One can add PayPal (here in the US at least) as a payment method through ones iTunes account, for over 5 years now. Though it might benefit the developers to accept payment through PayPal, if they can save on the commission, it's of no benefit for the iTunes account holder. Unless the developer passes on their savings, which is unlikely, as it's not that common for this to happen on Android.
And just exactly why would you think developers will not have to pay a commission with IAP (or even with app purchases and subscriptions), if their customer don't use Apple iTunes payment method to pay for it. Google allows payment outside their Google Play payment method but still collect their commission, though discounted by 4%. Not every developer are as greedy as that Looney Tunes Sweeney CEO of Epic Games. Who thinks they shouldn't have to pay anything for making money using some one else's IP and hardware. No where has the EU stated that just because Apple must allow 3rd party app stores, that Apple is not allow to collect a commission from sales (that relies on Apple's IP) in third party app stores.
Spotify made a deal with Google with "Google Choice Billing" but how much discount they got on Google commission has not been revealed. But for sure, Spotify is still paying Google a commission on payment outside of the Google Play store. And they are not charging Google Play customers any more for their subscriptions, even though they are still paying Google a commission.
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Do you live in the EU? If you don't, then what makes you think you can make purchases from a third party app store? Just because Apple might have to allow third party app stores in the EU, it doesn't mean that Apple have to allow their iOS customers living outside the EU, to make purchases from those third party app stores. And if that is the case, why would any developer, special the ones in the EU, that wants to sell their apps to the whole World, maintain a third party app store that is just in the EU? Just make it available in the Apple App Store and be done with it.
Of course there are developers who wants to sell (of offer for free) apps that are not entirely safe and therefore are not allow in the Apple App Store. But those are not considered mainstream apps. Maybe it's some of those apps that you are interested in.
BTW- If you think it would be an absolute pleasure pay outside the Apple App Store. why aren't you using an Android device? Then you can pleasure yourself all you want.
So people complaining about Apple's "take" of 30% - I can tell you it isn't the vast majority of App Developers complaining. What Apple does for their 30% is HUGE.
Simply managing the banking details, depositing proceeds of any sales, and helping devs to comply with all the weird laws of each region/country is worth the cost. For example, the EU GDPR compliance.
So how you you think these alternative app stores are going to make money? They will not do it out of the goodness of their hearts. They will take some kind of commission. 10%? 15% ? Apple's scanning for malware is not perfect, but it will be a damn site better than some hokey third party App Store.
They would have to write Android drivers for iPhone hardware. It would be easier to have a virtual machine similar to the iOS simulator and keep all 3rd party stores in there, isolated from native apps. There can be a sandbox per store (which Apple could potentially charge for) or one for all 3rd party stores together. These sandboxes might not get access to biometric authentication.
Another aspect of this people haven't spoken much about is that governments will start requiring installing their own store for government apps like id, healthcare, social security etc, which no doubt will have some backdoor in it so should the need arise, they will be able to unlock phones with it. There would be nothing stopping location tracking too, link social security id to everywhere you go. Apple needs to sandbox 3rd party app stores and give users the option to suspend apps in the sandbox.
Interesting, but that wouldn't comply with the spirit of the law, just as EU politicians actually said that a throttled USB-C cable for the EU wouldn't obey the spirit of their USB-C law. But your argument raises a third possibility: Apple could sell a special "brand" of iPhone perhaps called the euPhone, which has an app store that lets any developer or any government do anything they want. Apple should offer only the Clock app (and an app that allows a third party app store to be installed) and none of the euPhones would have any access to any Apple online service like iCloud, Siri, Messages, etc. Let Google provide all those services for free.
They would have to write Android drivers for iPhone hardware. It would be easier to have a virtual machine similar to the iOS simulator and keep all 3rd party stores in there, isolated from native apps. There can be a sandbox per store (which Apple could potentially charge for) or one for all 3rd party stores together. These sandboxes might not get access to biometric authentication.
Another aspect of this people haven't spoken much about is that governments will start requiring installing their own store for government apps like id, healthcare, social security etc, which no doubt will have some backdoor in it so should the need arise, they will be able to unlock phones with it. There would be nothing stopping location tracking too, link social security id to everywhere you go. Apple needs to sandbox 3rd party app stores and give users the option to suspend apps in the sandbox.
Interesting, but that wouldn't comply with the spirit of the law, just as EU politicians actually said that a throttled USB-C cable for the EU wouldn't obey the spirit of their USB-C law. But your argument raises a third possibility: Apple could sell a special "brand" of iPhone perhaps called the euPhone, which has an app store that lets any developer or any government do anything they want. Apple should offer only the Clock app (and an app that allows a third party app store to be installed) and none of the euPhones would have any access to any Apple online service like iCloud, Siri, Messages, etc. Let Google provide all those services for free.
And why would people in EU buy such a phone from Apple instead of buying an Android phone?
Those using the 3rd party app stores for their products will quickly find out 99.99% of iPhone users will never venture over there to hand out the credit card and personal information to another company. They may well find out the $99 developer kit is no longer $99 for them or their is a per install licensing fee. The really do not know how good they have it now.
Except for the fact that developers who want people to shop at other stores will show preference to users who buy at that other store. Lower prices, more frequent updates, enhanced features, etc., etc. There won't be a flood, but the progress will be steady. Then when they think they can get away with it, they'll just stop updating the Apple store versions.
Those using the 3rd party app stores for their products will quickly find out 99.99% of iPhone users will never venture over there to hand out the credit card and personal information to another company. They may well find out the $99 developer kit is no longer $99 for them or their is a per install licensing fee. The really do not know how good they have it now.
Except for the fact that developers who want people to shop at other stores will show preference to users who buy at that other store. Lower prices, more frequent updates, enhanced features, etc., etc. There won't be a flood, but the progress will be steady. Then when they think they can get away with it, they'll just stop updating the Apple store versions.
That is not a "fact" at all. The problem with that is that Apple might/can only have it so that "the other store", is only available in the EU. Then the developers would be losing sales in the Apple App Store from iOS customers in the rest of the World, that don't have access to the "other store" in the EU and don't want to be screwed over by paying more and getting less, than buyers in the EU. So if this were the case, unless the developer's app is only useful to consumers living in the EU, it would be economic suicide to not have thsame app available for the rest of the World to buy. If this were a "fact", we would easily be seeing this happening on Android right now. And with Android, third party app stores can exist side by side with the Google Play Store, everywhere in the World.
What developer would rather sell 10,000 apps and make $1.00 each in a third party app store rather than to maybe sell 20,000 apps at $.70 each in the Google Play Store? Most developers aren't that dumb. Like how smart retailers knows that it's worth paying the extra rent for a store in a mall with high foot traffic, than to pay much less rent for store in a mall that hardly anyone shops at.
The "fact" is that the main reason why developers have their apps only in a third party store (or only for sideloading) is because their apps, for one reason or another, are not allowed to be in the Google Play Store.
They would have to write Android drivers for iPhone hardware. It would be easier to have a virtual machine similar to the iOS simulator and keep all 3rd party stores in there, isolated from native apps. There can be a sandbox per store (which Apple could potentially charge for) or one for all 3rd party stores together. These sandboxes might not get access to biometric authentication.
Another aspect of this people haven't spoken much about is that governments will start requiring installing their own store for government apps like id, healthcare, social security etc, which no doubt will have some backdoor in it so should the need arise, they will be able to unlock phones with it. There would be nothing stopping location tracking too, link social security id to everywhere you go. Apple needs to sandbox 3rd party app stores and give users the option to suspend apps in the sandbox.
Interesting, but that wouldn't comply with the spirit of the law, just as EU politicians actually said that a throttled USB-C cable for the EU wouldn't obey the spirit of their USB-C law. But your argument raises a third possibility: Apple could sell a special "brand" of iPhone perhaps called the euPhone, which has an app store that lets any developer or any government do anything they want. Apple should offer only the Clock app (and an app that allows a third party app store to be installed) and none of the euPhones would have any access to any Apple online service like iCloud, Siri, Messages, etc. Let Google provide all those services for free.
And why would people in EU buy such a phone from Apple instead of buying an Android phone?
Sorry, I didn't realize that some people didn't know Apple's iPhone has different hardware (better screen, battery) than Android phones.
They would have to write Android drivers for iPhone hardware. It would be easier to have a virtual machine similar to the iOS simulator and keep all 3rd party stores in there, isolated from native apps. There can be a sandbox per store (which Apple could potentially charge for) or one for all 3rd party stores together. These sandboxes might not get access to biometric authentication.
Another aspect of this people haven't spoken much about is that governments will start requiring installing their own store for government apps like id, healthcare, social security etc, which no doubt will have some backdoor in it so should the need arise, they will be able to unlock phones with it. There would be nothing stopping location tracking too, link social security id to everywhere you go. Apple needs to sandbox 3rd party app stores and give users the option to suspend apps in the sandbox.
Interesting, but that wouldn't comply with the spirit of the law, just as EU politicians actually said that a throttled USB-C cable for the EU wouldn't obey the spirit of their USB-C law. But your argument raises a third possibility: Apple could sell a special "brand" of iPhone perhaps called the euPhone, which has an app store that lets any developer or any government do anything they want. Apple should offer only the Clock app (and an app that allows a third party app store to be installed) and none of the euPhones would have any access to any Apple online service like iCloud, Siri, Messages, etc. Let Google provide all those services for free.
And why would people in EU buy such a phone from Apple instead of buying an Android phone?
Sorry, I didn't realize that some people didn't know Apple's iPhone has different hardware (better screen, battery) than Android phones.
Sorry, you are the uninformed person in this case. When it comes to hardware, Android phones have the edge in few aspects (Battery capacity, RAM, periscope camera with higher zoom range etc) and lack in few aspects (SoC performance/efficiency, video shooting). And the user experience with Android OS would be extremely terrible in iPhones due to lack of RAM, lower battery capacity. It is the software and ecosystem that keeps the Apple's customers sticking to iPhones. You may not be aware of this, but Apple is well aware of this.
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Parents already think in-app purchases are exploiting their kids, 3rd party app stores will dial this up to 11 - spam, pornography, gambling, crypto scams, adware, banking malware. This is already known from 3rd party Android stores.
There will be some benefit to having stores like Steam where people would be able to buy games once and play on iPhone, Mac, Windows but even the big players who people expect to play nicely will have some unethical business practices. Spotify regularly admits that Apple blocks them from being able to push their free customers into paying customers by spamming them with marketing.
They would have to write Android drivers for iPhone hardware. It would be easier to have a virtual machine similar to the iOS simulator and keep all 3rd party stores in there, isolated from native apps. There can be a sandbox per store (which Apple could potentially charge for) or one for all 3rd party stores together. These sandboxes might not get access to biometric authentication.
Another aspect of this people haven't spoken much about is that governments will start requiring installing their own store for government apps like id, healthcare, social security etc, which no doubt will have some backdoor in it so should the need arise, they will be able to unlock phones with it. There would be nothing stopping location tracking too, link social security id to everywhere you go. Apple needs to sandbox 3rd party app stores and give users the option to suspend apps in the sandbox.
Except for the fact that developers who want people to shop at other stores will show preference to users who buy at that other store. Lower prices, more frequent updates, enhanced features, etc., etc. There won't be a flood, but the progress will be steady. Then when they think they can get away with it, they'll just stop updating the Apple store versions.
Not going down easy though....