Apple offers to open NFC on iPhone in EU, likely to stave off antitrust regulation

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A new report claims that Apple has offered to open up iPhone near-field communication central to Apple Pay to other payment services, to fight off antitrust claims in the EU.

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The report on Tuesday, by Reuters is light on details. It cites "three people familiar with the matter," and doesn't discuss any context behind the alleged offer.

This entire saga began in 2019. Four years ago, EU investigators requested feedback from payment companies regarding Apple Pay. They were concerned that Apple's decision to restrict the iPhone's NFC chip to only work with Apple Pay would prevent other companies from entering the mobile payment market.

The European Commission, which oversees antitrust laws in the EU, has accused Apple of engaging in anticompetitive behavior since the launch of Apple Pay in 2015. Officials are convinced that Apple's limiting the iPhone's built-in NFC chip to Apple Pay is the crux of the matter.

Apple Pay is not the dominant mobile payment service in the EU, nor does Apple hold the majority of the smartphone sales.

The EU is not the first governmental agency to take issue with Apple's handling of the NFC on the device. Shortly after its launch, a group of prominent Australian banks attempted to boycott Apple Pay to negotiate access to the NFC hardware within Apple devices for third-party use.

However, the banks eventually backed down after the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission denied their boycott request in 2017.

The EU is currently exploring other payment options for mobile devices, such as QR codes and Bluetooth technologies, as alternatives to Apple's NFC chip.

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Comments

  • Reply 1 of 12
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,723member
    Apple has a de-facto monopoly over NFC based payments, forcing other banks out of a business and hardware they can use openly on other phones.

    I'm not surprised Apple potentially sees this as restricting competition because that is what it is.

    It is not only the payment side of things either. Users of public transport systems in places like Barcelona are unable to use the system through the native app because iPhones restrict access to the necessary hardware. That is supposedly being negotiated but the authorities say access (which requires negotiation with Apple) could be over a year away. 
    muthuk_vanalingambyronl
  • Reply 2 of 12
    kelemorkelemor Posts: 29member
    avon b7 said:
    Apple has a de-facto monopoly over NFC based payments, forcing other banks out of a business and hardware they can use openly on other phones.

    I'm not surprised Apple potentially sees this as restricting competition because that is what it is.

    It is not only the payment side of things either. Users of public transport systems in places like Barcelona are unable to use the system through the native app because iPhones restrict access to the necessary hardware. That is supposedly being negotiated but the authorities say access (which requires negotiation with Apple) could be over a year away. 
    Then the native app can integrate with the Apple Pay system. If Europe is so worried about technology restriction then maybe they should work on a European PHONE. they can always go the Chinese route of phones that way all the EU governments, as well as the Chinese government will know what your always doing. 

    The banks don’t want to play because they didn’t get the info they want 

    had to go to San Fran to visit people the clipper card for the BART transport integration in to Apple wallet worked fine once I learn how to use it. 
    tophatnosocksbyronldanoxkurai_kageStrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 12
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,723member
    kelemor said:
    avon b7 said:
    Apple has a de-facto monopoly over NFC based payments, forcing other banks out of a business and hardware they can use openly on other phones.

    I'm not surprised Apple potentially sees this as restricting competition because that is what it is.

    It is not only the payment side of things either. Users of public transport systems in places like Barcelona are unable to use the system through the native app because iPhones restrict access to the necessary hardware. That is supposedly being negotiated but the authorities say access (which requires negotiation with Apple) could be over a year away. 
    Then the native app can integrate with the Apple Pay system. If Europe is so worried about technology restriction then maybe they should work on a European PHONE. they can always go the Chinese route of phones that way all the EU governments, as well as the Chinese government will know what your always doing. 

    The banks don’t want to play because they didn’t get the info they want 

    had to go to San Fran to visit people the clipper card for the BART transport integration in to Apple wallet worked fine once I learn how to use it. 
    The EU has no worries. It makes the rules. 

    Integrating with Apple Pay natively is not a solution. It is part of the problem. 

    Apple has a couple of options. Ride things out and wait to see if it actually is deemed to be limiting competition/harming consumer choice etc or take proactive measures. 

    It looks like the latter might be the path they are looking at. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 4 of 12
    across04across04 Posts: 10member
    There's no issue.  The EU want to impose its will on the entire world.  That is wrong. Yet they invent nothing.
    mike1danoxwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 12
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 2,743member
    Yikes. I definitely don’t want nfc opened up. I only trust apple with the money I soend with my phone. The eh ruins everything. 
    byronldanoxlaytechwatto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 12
    MissBrexitMissBrexit Posts: 2member
    So, iPhone isn't anywhere near the dominant smartphone in their precious EU. ApplePay isn't a dominant payment method either.

    Yet, the cantankerous bureaucrats in Brussels and their socialist apparatchiks want to force Apple to unwind some innovations to its own detriment? 

    Maybe people of the European Union should vote out Ursula von der Leyen and their meddling commissioners. Oh wait, they can't... 
    edited December 2023 byronldanoxstrongywatto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 12
    beowulfschmidtbeowulfschmidt Posts: 2,147member
    avon b7 said:
    Apple has a de-facto monopoly over NFC based payments, forcing other banks out of a business and hardware they can use openly on other phones.

    I was totally unaware that the NFC chip in my credit card, and in most of the other credit cards my wife and I use, along with NFC capabilities in other phones, were the property of and controlled by Apple.  Learn something new every day, I guess. /s

    gatorguyStrangeDaystmaywatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 12
    laytechlaytech Posts: 335member
    avon b7 said:
    Apple has a de-facto monopoly over NFC based payments, forcing other banks out of a business and hardware they can use openly on other phones.

    I'm not surprised Apple potentially sees this as restricting competition because that is what it is.

    It is not only the payment side of things either. Users of public transport systems in places like Barcelona are unable to use the system through the native app because iPhones restrict access to the necessary hardware. That is supposedly being negotiated but the authorities say access (which requires negotiation with Apple) could be over a year away. 

    Force banks out of business? Are you serious. Banks are notorious at their own dirty tricks and price gouging, especially in Australia. This was not about free trade this was all about protecting their profits. Period. Not about consumers, not about security, it was all about their bottomline. Banks stinks.
    StrangeDaystmaywatto_cobra
  • Reply 9 of 12
    laytechlaytech Posts: 335member

    9secondkox2 said:
    Yikes. I definitely don’t want nfc opened up. I only trust apple with the money I soend with my phone. The eh ruins everything. 
    I couldn't agree more. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 12
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,891member
    avon b7 said:
    kelemor said:
    avon b7 said:
    Apple has a de-facto monopoly over NFC based payments, forcing other banks out of a business and hardware they can use openly on other phones.

    I'm not surprised Apple potentially sees this as restricting competition because that is what it is.

    It is not only the payment side of things either. Users of public transport systems in places like Barcelona are unable to use the system through the native app because iPhones restrict access to the necessary hardware. That is supposedly being negotiated but the authorities say access (which requires negotiation with Apple) could be over a year away. 
    Then the native app can integrate with the Apple Pay system. If Europe is so worried about technology restriction then maybe they should work on a European PHONE. they can always go the Chinese route of phones that way all the EU governments, as well as the Chinese government will know what your always doing. 

    The banks don’t want to play because they didn’t get the info they want 

    had to go to San Fran to visit people the clipper card for the BART transport integration in to Apple wallet worked fine once I learn how to use it. 
    The EU has no worries. It makes the rules. 

    Integrating with Apple Pay natively is not a solution. It is part of the problem. 

    Apple has a couple of options. Ride things out and wait to see if it actually is deemed to be limiting competition/harming consumer choice etc or take proactive measures. 

    It looks like the latter might be the path they are looking at. 
    Will this dude ever give up apologizing for Chinese knockoffs and suggesting the most absurd interpretations possible? Apple is putting EU banks out of business? Riiiight, comrade. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 11 of 12
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,723member
    StrangeDays said:
    avon b7 said:
    kelemor said:
    avon b7 said:
    Apple has a de-facto monopoly over NFC based payments, forcing other banks out of a business and hardware they can use openly on other phones.

    I'm not surprised Apple potentially sees this as restricting competition because that is what it is.

    It is not only the payment side of things either. Users of public transport systems in places like Barcelona are unable to use the system through the native app because iPhones restrict access to the necessary hardware. That is supposedly being negotiated but the authorities say access (which requires negotiation with Apple) could be over a year away. 
    Then the native app can integrate with the Apple Pay system. If Europe is so worried about technology restriction then maybe they should work on a European PHONE. they can always go the Chinese route of phones that way all the EU governments, as well as the Chinese government will know what your always doing. 

    The banks don’t want to play because they didn’t get the info they want 

    had to go to San Fran to visit people the clipper card for the BART transport integration in to Apple wallet worked fine once I learn how to use it. 
    The EU has no worries. It makes the rules. 

    Integrating with Apple Pay natively is not a solution. It is part of the problem. 

    Apple has a couple of options. Ride things out and wait to see if it actually is deemed to be limiting competition/harming consumer choice etc or take proactive measures. 

    It looks like the latter might be the path they are looking at. 
    Will this dude ever give up apologizing for Chinese knockoffs and suggesting the most absurd interpretations possible? Apple is putting EU banks out of business? Riiiight, comrade. 
    Out of business? LOL. 

    Out of a business. 

    You can huff and puff all you want but it won't change reality. 

    Apple has deliberately cut off competition via its NFC shenanigans. It forces banks that want to offer payment solutions on iPhones to go through Apple Pay where Apple takes a cut.

    Apple does not make users aware of this situation. 

    Is that anti-competitive? Is it harming consumer choice? Is it abuse of dominant position? 

    EU soil. EU rules. How do you think they will see things? 

    It looks like we won't have to wait long to find out. 


    muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 12 of 12
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,230member
    With the filing of a class-action regarding Apple Pay, the company might be forced into opening up NFC here in the US, as well as in the EU. 

    The claim: "Apple reached agreements with Visa and then with Mastercard not to use the iPhone to establish its own independent POS Transaction Payment network. Instead, Apple, Visa, and Mastercard agreed to run Apple Pay transactions over the Entrenched Networks’ POS Transaction Payment networks. Upon information and belief, Apple agreed with the Entrenched Networks to protect their market division from competition by blocking third parties from accessing certain hardware in the iPhone, namely the iPhone’s “Secure Element,” which those third parties could have used to establish mobile-based payment solutions that competed with the Entrenched Networks.

    In exchange, the Entrenched Networks agreed that Apple would be paid a portion of the fees generated through the Entrenched Networks’ respective POS Transaction Payment systems."

    edited December 2023
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