Joe Biden needs to go. I am sorry but I am not usually political but this guy is ridiculous
This started two years into the Trump administration.
And it was dead when San Jose court decided for Apple but brought back when Biden appointed the socialist Kanter . Did you even read the article above?
Considering that I wrote it, yes, I did. The DoJ didn't stop after the trial. It may have slowed, but didn't stop.
Epic v. Apple was ruled on in September 2021. Kanter was appointed on November 2021.
I read up on Kanter after seeing your article here. This is 100 percent Kanter, the guy is a communist socialist if you read what he has wrote in past.
Anyways, you can defend Biden if you want to but I have a right to my position as well . Or do I?
You are absolutely entitled to be uninformed and stupid. You can even air out your uninformed statements, because for the time being we’re still in a democracy. You better pray Biden gets reelected if you want that to continue.
Mike and William. Thank you. Just thank you. Thank you for explaining in layperson terms the absurdity of this lawsuit. One historical fact that has followed antitrust litigation in the previous centuries is that Govts by the time they get around to delivering the lawsuit all previous concerns were corrected or bypassed with new technology. Here is a perfect example of this which you point out so well. Apple lawyers need to bring you on board lol but I’m sure they see the absurdity as well and can’t wait to make the DOJ look like fools.
Joe Biden needs to go. I am sorry but I am not usually political but this guy is ridiculous
As already said, but it will be need to be said about 100 trillion times, this insanity started during the Trump years.
Sources please. The 4th branch of gov't agencies were filled with big government lib hold overs, esp the FBI and DOJ that 4 years of Trump's administration was not enough time to cleanse, e.g. Comey. Hence the current lawfare to keep a business man from getting back in the White House and fully cleaning house. These departments have way too much power, way too much money, and no accountability with either. Way too many lawyers running the government. If we want a "free-market" we need to break up the monopoly that is the Federal Government.
We’ve all read this « analysis » before. last time when the European commission would fail at making Apply comply to antitrust laws. Remind me, who got « crushed » (crushed, really)
Joe Biden needs to go. I am sorry but I am not usually political but this guy is ridiculous
As already said, but it will be need to be said about 100 trillion times, this insanity started during the Trump years.
Sources please. The 4th branch of gov't agencies were filled with big government lib hold overs, esp the FBI and DOJ that 4 years of Trump's administration was not enough time to cleanse, e.g. Comey. Hence the current lawfare to keep a business man from getting back in the White House and fully cleaning house. These departments have way too much power, way too much money, and no accountability with either. Way too many lawyers running the government. If we want a "free-market" we need to break up the monopoly that is the Federal Government.
I'm not clear what you're looking for a source about? The first DoJ questions to Apple about antirust matters were in 2019.
It's absolutely critical to get facts straight when offering up an analysis.
We await the DoJ suit against the carriers for allowing SMS to persist.
SMS is _not_ going away with RCS. SMS is not the problem with low-quality photos and videos. Your comment should have mentioned "MMS" not "SMS".
RCS will (optionally) fallback to SMS much like iMessage does — when data is not available.
The analysis is correct, the quoted sentence is more a literary bit than anything else, and at no point did we say that SMS is going away. MMS is mentioned in parallel in the piece further up.
Apple can't win. Microsoft spent 8 years on US antitrust cases before making a settlement. Gates left the company he founded and Microsoft management lost focus.
Apple+EU has been a disaster for years. Apple spent 10 years on promising before finally being forced to USB-C. Now EU has had enough with politicians hitting Apple in several ways causing disruptions to hardware and software. Apple is taking a beating every week.
And now this... a case started under Trump that moved forward for 5-6 years. At a time when Car just failed, AVP is in need of full focus, competitors are all AI, and the last 4 iPhone generations are looking and behaving much like iPhone 12 (design, MagSafe, 5G)... a legal battle into the next decade is not what the doctor ordered.
We need Apple to get out of these battles and focus on the future.
Apple never promised USB-C for 10 years. What nonsense it that?
It was smart of Apple to finally move to USB-C — yes — but they were in their full rights not to until being forced. We all wish they voluntarily did so a few years earlier.
The Car project never failed. So much would have been learned from it and applied to other projects. Heck, much of Vision Pro's "sight" tech was likely rooted in work done on car vision tech. The Car project also facilitated the "new CarPlay experience" that is being installed on many other brands. So what if Apple isn't going to build their own car... they are a software company, too, and the Car project helped the software evolve tremendously in ways we haven't seen yet. Not a failure.
We’ve all read this « analysis » before. last time when the European commission would fail at making Apply comply to antitrust laws. Remind me, who got « crushed » (crushed, really)
Alternatively, you can read the piece before commenting.
Unlike under the traitor’s administration, the DOJ does NOT report to Biden and does not do his bidding. …. because for the time being we’re still in a democracy. You better pray Biden gets reelected if you want that to continue.
These last years have really amazed me to watch people. It’s fine if you don’t like Trump (I’m certainly no Trump fan…), but open your eyes dude. What you’re saying about Trump is currently going on right under your nose. You’ve been hoodwinked.
This lawsuit is a great example. It’s a laughably weak case and we all know it. They know it. It’s nothing more than a distraction, it’s one more thing for the masses to pay attention to so they don’t see what really is going on as we head into another election year.
Joe Biden needs to go. I am sorry but I am not usually political but this guy is ridiculous
This started two years into the Trump administration.
Maybe so, but it was the start of an investigation. Lots of ways for that to go.
Now we have had it continue for twice as long (so far) under the Biden admin. And it wasn’t the previous admin that decided to go ahead and go through with attacking Apple. It’s the current one.
This part of your article is quite significant:
This didn't start under the Biden administration, it started in the ending years of the Trump one. It is, however, a tent-pole of what the Biden administration promised to do in the beginning to big tech.
sounds like it’s inline with the current admin philosophy.
And with the arguments I watch garland bring up on tv today, a whole lot of incompetence going on. Pretty scary stuff.
This drama between Apple and DOJ reminds me of the scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian movie where John Cleese’s character Reg questions “what have the Roman’s ever done for us”, and then the crowd says things like sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, etc. It’s like the DOJ is saying “what has Apple ever done for us.” Apple brings a lot of innovation to the table. In a capitalist economy, that innovation is usually rewarded, not punished.
Remember the time when Tile made antitrust complaints and even testified before Congress that Apple was being anti-competitive based on nothing but rumors that Apple was making a tracking device? Yes, Apple had not yet even announced their product and their was Tile testifying before Congress about how the unreleased product was unfair! When Apple did finally announce AirTag they also announced a networking system that third party trackers like Tile could use on iPhone but of course Tile refused to use it. It’s incredible that the DOJ are taking Tile’s claims forward.
Companies like Tile and Spotify have fooled governments with plainly false claims. Spotify continue to claim Apple won’t let them link out to alternative payments when they are in fact allowed to under the reader app rule, they just refuse to because they want more, they want their own payment system embedded in the app. When they say they are not allowed to link out it is plainly false.
As for game streaming services, they are allowed on iPhone. Some work through Safari. Apple’s rules were clearly designed to protect children and give parents control over the content their children have access to. Apple recently changed the rules so that one app can have multiple games so long as the age rating for the app applies to the highest age-rating of any of the games it includes.
Yeah, after 5 to 6 years of investigating Apple for antitrust, this is what they come up with? This utter amateurish dreck? It was going to be a hard set of complaints to lay as it should not take 5 to 6 years to develop a set of cogent antritrust arguments, but this is what they come up with?
Just read pages 62 to 70 or so on the market construction, if you can call it that. That fact that I had to get to page 62 to read it was a bad sign. The market at which the Apple iPhone has a monopoly on and what they claim Apple is abusing is "performance smartphones". It's mentioned 43 times in the DOJ complaint. So the market is not the smartphone market in the USA as a whole, but one of expensive smartphones. They didn't even have the guts to say what dollar amount this "performance smartphones" market started at. Then, they seem to interchangeably use revenue share and market share. Never mind that they never actually stated what Apple's actual unit share in this "performance smartphones" market is. They may have, I just couldn't tell if some number was revenue share or unit share or what ever share.
The only good thing on the DOJ side is that judges are also human, and you never know what sort of craziness they have.
Okay gang, things have been mostly civil, and that's great -- but things are starting to escalate. This is clearly a bipartisan issue and complaint. Argue about either our argument or the DOJ's filing, as you see fit.
But, dial back the political rhetoric a bit, from every vector. It's unwarranted here.
Yeah, after 5 to 6 years of investigating Apple for antitrust, this is what they come up with? This utter amateurish dreck? It was going to be a hard set of complaints to lay as it should not take 5 to 6 years to develop a set of cogent antritrust arguments, but this is what they come up with?
Just read pages 62 to 70 or so on the market construction, if you can call it that. That fact that I had to get to page 62 to read it was a bad sign. The market at which the Apple iPhone has a monopoly on and what they claim Apple is abusing is "performance smartphones". It's mentioned 43 times in the DOJ complaint. So the market is not the smartphone market in the USA as a whole, but one of expensive smartphones. They didn't even have the guts to say what dollar amount this "performance smartphones" market started at. Then, they seem to interchangeably use revenue share and market share. Never mind that they never actually stated what Apple's actual unit share in this "performance smartphones" market is. They may have, I just couldn't tell if some number was revenue share or unit share or what ever share.
The only good thing on the DOJ side is that judges are also human, and you never know what sort of craziness they have.
It’s a hack job. Apple didn’t break the law, doesn’t have a monopoly, and hasn’t done anything unethical.
The garland “points” are easily refutable (except the streaming gaming one, which has some merit. It’s more smoke and mirrors to appeal to uneducated idealists of the public who hear words like “closed vs open” etc and side with those against the supposed “closed” side - while the government abuses its power to force an issue they’re on the wrong side of.
This drama between Apple and DOJ reminds me of the scene in Monty Python’s Life of Brian movie where John Cleese’s character Reg questions “what have the Roman’s ever done for us”, and then the crowd says things like sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, etc. It’s like the DOJ is saying “what has Apple ever done for us.” Apple brings a lot of innovation to the table. In a capitalist economy, that innovation is usually rewarded, not punished.
Thanks Mike and William for the article and thanks Mike for defending common sense in the comment section.
This DOJ action is an example of our government’s misguided sense of priorities and how they are out-of-touch with real issues…real monopolies and financial abuses that affect us are ignored (Ticket Master, credit card, banking overcharges, payday lending) are the examples that comes to mind and real criminality (hacking, the exploitation of the elderly, other forms of cybercrime) are ignored.
The other perplexing thing here are the big-tech things they are ignoring—Google’s monopoly on independent video delivery (YouTube), search, the way they handle ad sales; the stranglehold Amazon has on sellers in their marketplace.
Yeah the Life of Brian quote is appropriate- “hate those Romans, what have they done for us?”
Apple just attracts the hate for reasons I can never understand.
And don’t get me started on the misguided Tick Tock ban because of politicians’ “feelings.”
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last time when the European commission would fail at making Apply comply to antitrust laws.
Remind me, who got « crushed » (crushed, really)
I need to be able to put a Ferrari V12 engine into my Vespa scooter. Please make it happen.
@AppleInsider ;
It's absolutely critical to get facts straight when offering up an analysis.
SMS is _not_ going away with RCS. SMS is not the problem with low-quality photos and videos. Your comment should have mentioned "MMS" not "SMS".
RCS will (optionally) fallback to SMS much like iMessage does — when data is not available.
Apple never promised USB-C for 10 years. What nonsense it that?
It was smart of Apple to finally move to USB-C — yes — but they were in their full rights not to until being forced. We all wish they voluntarily did so a few years earlier.
The Car project never failed. So much would have been learned from it and applied to other projects. Heck, much of Vision Pro's "sight" tech was likely rooted in work done on car vision tech. The Car project also facilitated the "new CarPlay experience" that is being installed on many other brands. So what if Apple isn't going to build their own car... they are a software company, too, and the Car project helped the software evolve tremendously in ways we haven't seen yet. Not a failure.
This lawsuit is a great example. It’s a laughably weak case and we all know it. They know it. It’s nothing more than a distraction, it’s one more thing for the masses to pay attention to so they don’t see what really is going on as we head into another election year.
This didn't start under the Biden administration, it started in the ending years of the Trump one. It is, however, a tent-pole of what the Biden administration promised to do in the beginning to big tech.
sounds like it’s inline with the current admin philosophy.
Companies like Tile and Spotify have fooled governments with plainly false claims. Spotify continue to claim Apple won’t let them link out to alternative payments when they are in fact allowed to under the reader app rule, they just refuse to because they want more, they want their own payment system embedded in the app. When they say they are not allowed to link out it is plainly false.
As for game streaming services, they are allowed on iPhone. Some work through Safari. Apple’s rules were clearly designed to protect children and give parents control over the content their children have access to. Apple recently changed the rules so that one app can have multiple games so long as the age rating for the app applies to the highest age-rating of any of the games it includes.
Just read pages 62 to 70 or so on the market construction, if you can call it that. That fact that I had to get to page 62 to read it was a bad sign. The market at which the Apple iPhone has a monopoly on and what they claim Apple is abusing is "performance smartphones". It's mentioned 43 times in the DOJ complaint. So the market is not the smartphone market in the USA as a whole, but one of expensive smartphones. They didn't even have the guts to say what dollar amount this "performance smartphones" market started at. Then, they seem to interchangeably use revenue share and market share. Never mind that they never actually stated what Apple's actual unit share in this "performance smartphones" market is. They may have, I just couldn't tell if some number was revenue share or unit share or what ever share.
The only good thing on the DOJ side is that judges are also human, and you never know what sort of craziness they have.
But, dial back the political rhetoric a bit, from every vector. It's unwarranted here.
This DOJ action is an example of our government’s misguided sense of priorities and how they are out-of-touch with real issues…real monopolies and financial abuses that affect us are ignored (Ticket Master, credit card, banking overcharges, payday lending) are the examples that comes to mind and real criminality (hacking, the exploitation of the elderly, other forms of cybercrime) are ignored.
The other perplexing thing here are the big-tech things they are ignoring—Google’s monopoly on independent video delivery (YouTube), search, the way they handle ad sales; the stranglehold Amazon has on sellers in their marketplace.
Yeah the Life of Brian quote is appropriate- “hate those Romans, what have they done for us?”
Apple just attracts the hate for reasons I can never understand.
And don’t get me started on the misguided Tick Tock ban because of politicians’ “feelings.”