MagSafe magnets don't interfere with the iPhone 16e C1 modem

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There's been a lot of fear in the last few days that Apple left off MagSafe off the iPhone 16e because it somehow interfered with Apple's C1 cellular modem, but physics precluded that from the start. Here's how.

Charging with MagSafe
Charging with MagSafe



Obviously, the iPhone 16e lacks MagSafe. There's been a lot said about it, and it's a problem for the device.

Almost immediately, we heard whispers from case manufacturers that it may not have been cost-cutting, but instead was interfering with the C1 cellular radio.

That was a silly proposition from the jump. Here's why.

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We can talk about this because I've had a great deal of practical training and experience in limiting radiation exposure. In the US Submarine fleet, one of my jobs was ionizing radiation exposure measurement, control, and assessment.

As part of that training, both in the start and end of my career, I had training on not just that, but monitoring of and exposure control from radio frequency broadcasts from high-power transmitters.

And yes, magnetic flux too, since submarines can be detected by magnetic anomaly detectors carried by our arch nemeses, aircraft.

Back to the inverse square law



In the case of radio frequency exposure or magnetic field exposure from a point-source, something called the inverse-square law applies. In short, the intensity of the exposure is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from that object.

A graphic representation of the inverse square law: credit Wikipedia
A graphic representation of the inverse square law: credit Wikipedia



Practically, this means that the exposure to radio frequency power at a given distance of r is quartered at distance 2r. This operates on a very small scale, as well as a large one.

For the scientific among us, as it pertains to the "point source" term up above -- there is also something called a "line source." However, for the purposes of very small magnets like in MagSafe, the line source math isn't relevant, and can effectively be ignored.

Besides, relatively speaking, MagSafe magnets are very weak



And, the main term when figuring out magnetic flux exposure is the strength of the magnet. MagSafe magnets are pretty weak, relatively speaking.

The applicability of the inverse-square law to MagSafe magnets was proven in 2021 by this research study. Using a FW Bell 5180 Gauss Meter with STD18-0404 Transverse probe, the researchers found a magnetic flux of 110.36 gauss at 1 millimeter. At 11 millimeters -- more than the distance to the antenna, and probably about the distance to the modem itself, this dropped to 15.44 gauss.

Anything less than 500 gauss is really of no concern to radio broadcasts at cellular frequencies. And, it's not the '80s where incredibly sensitive floppy disks are prevalent. Other aspects of the phone, like Flash media, aren't really impacted by magnetic flux.

For comparison, refrigerator magnets are generally between 20 to 100 gauss. The earth's magnetic field is around 0.5 gauss. A MRI machine magnet is about 15,000 gauss.

The advice to keep a MagSafe magnet away from your pacemaker remains good. But there was never any danger to interfering with RF from or to the C1 modem in the iPhone 16e.

And besides -- there was never any concern with a Qualcomm modem. Why would there be with an Apple one?

Testing is good, but in this case, the explanation was obvious



We're glad the case manufacturers tested all this. But, it was clear from the start that Apple omitted the magnet ring to save production costs.

Precision magnets are pretty expensive, truth be told. I asked around a bit before we published this article, and the best guess for the precision of the magnets Apple uses is probably right around $2 per unit.

That doesn't sound like a lot, but when you multiply it by millions of dollars it's -- well. It's still not a lot for Apple, but it's a lot for us.

Anyway, Apple doesn't cooperate with (most) case makers before a phone is released. They rely on rumors and supply chain innuendo to figure out what to make, ahead of time.

There are millions of dollars at stake to be at market early with a case for an iPhone. You snooze, you lose, we've been told.

So, the case manufacturers mostly took a guess that there'd be MagSafe on the iPhone SE 4. What we got was not that, obviously.

We're certain that cases will pop out with a full-strength MagSafe magnet inside, and we'll be rounding the up soon. And, while the end result was inevitable, the testing to prove it that we've seen is still a positive.



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  • Reply 1 of 12
    Xedxed Posts: 3,218member
    That rumor didn't sound right to me.
    watto_cobra
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  • Reply 2 of 12
    thttht Posts: 5,982member
    Xed said:
    That rumor didn't sound right to me.
    It wasn't a rumor. It was speculative bullshit. For something to be a rumor, I presume the source of information has to come from someone associated with Apple or know of Apple's plans or inner workings. This one is just your typical post-iPhone launch speculative bullshit. There's always post launch bullshit. People love to revel in it and fling in it because the reality is too boring, or that they love think they have secret knowledge.

    For Apple product features, the first reason for why some feature are included, or not, is always product marketing and segmentation. Always. With people complaining about it so much, that is a clear sign that the Product Marketing group is doing its job. They want people to always go for the next model up, next upgrade option up. Same with the price of $600. A perfect lineup with no complaints is a sign of commoditization or poor product planning from the company.
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  • Reply 3 of 12
    I’d like to remind you that the iPhone SE does not have MagSafe either. Please stop whining about it. 
    Mike Wuerthelerandominternetpersonwatto_cobra
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  • Reply 4 of 12
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,123administrator
    jayweiss said:
    I’d like to remind you that the iPhone SE does not have MagSafe either. Please stop whining about it. 
    The iPhone SE 3 was built and designed around an older chassis that didn't have MagSafe.

    The 16e is not.
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  • Reply 5 of 12
    jayweiss said:
    I’d like to remind you that the iPhone SE does not have MagSafe either. Please stop whining about it. 
    I would like to remind you that iPhone 16e is priced about $170 higher than iPhone SE. So, stop whining about people missing MagSafe in iPhone 16e.
    edited February 21
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  • Reply 6 of 12
    Xedxed Posts: 3,218member
    jayweiss said:
    I’d like to remind you that the iPhone SE does not have MagSafe either. Please stop whining about it. 
    I’d like to remind you that the iPhone SE first arrived long before MagSafe was around and the 3rd geb SE was still 3 years ago when MagSafe was still finding its foothold.
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  • Reply 7 of 12
    I'm afraid the AI explanation for why MagSafe magnets don't affect RF propagation is... wrong. Static magnetic fields don't affect electromagnetic waves. If they did, you'd see them affecting visible light, which is also EM radiation. Both RF and visible light are created by photons, which have no charge and are therefore unaffected by static magnetic fields.

    No inverse-square explanation is needed for an effect that does not exist.

    To the extent that a MagSafe magnet ring might be conductive (perhaps via a mounting materials or protective coatings), it could affect iPhone RF propagation, but there's already a charging coil on the phone's back that's certainly a far bigger influence.

    ETA: The iPhone's charging coil operates at between 80 and 360KHz. The resulting dynamic magnetic field will interact with the iPhone's RF system, but the frequencies (GHz vs KHz) are so far apart that it's not an issue.
    edited February 21
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  • Reply 8 of 12
    Isn’t MagSafe just the static DC magnetic field that holds the phone to a mount? The Qi charger is the one that uses a dynamic time varying magnetic field of whatever frequency they use. You would have to have a magnetic field varying at the same frequency of the operating frequency of the modem to cause interference. Frequencies outside the band will just be filtered out.
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  • Reply 9 of 12
    jayweiss said:
    I’d like to remind you that the iPhone SE does not have MagSafe either. Please stop whining about it. 
    I would like to remind you that iPhone 16e is priced about $170 higher than iPhone SE. So, stop whining about people missing MagSafe in iPhone 16e.
    Some of y’all seem to have missed some important events over the last few years. Let me catch you up. We have had really high inflation globally. A 128 gig iPhone was 480. If you factor in inflation that is  542 dollars today. So, 57 dollars less than the price of the iPhone 16e.  Then you have to factor in that the US just implemented a 10% tariff on Chinese imports. Despite what some people thing that cost is paid by the consumer and not the country the tariff is levied against. 10% of  540 is 54 and that gets you to 594. So the complaining about price is literally complaining about 5 dollars. 

    This is what a plurality of Americans voted for. Congrats to them, they got what they wanted ?! 
    XedCheeseFreezerandominternetpersonwatto_cobrawilliamlondon
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  • Reply 10 of 12
    Xed said:
    jayweiss said:
    I’d like to remind you that the iPhone SE does not have MagSafe either. Please stop whining about it. 
    I’d like to remind you that the iPhone SE first arrived long before MagSafe was around and the 3rd geb SE was still 3 years ago when MagSafe was still finding its foothold.
    Seems like a feature they would want across the whole product line. I realize they don’t want to cannibalize sales of their premium phones.
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  • Reply 11 of 12
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,063member
    Isn’t MagSafe just the static DC magnetic field that holds the phone to a mount? The Qi charger is the one that uses a dynamic time varying magnetic field of whatever frequency they use. You would have to have a magnetic field varying at the same frequency of the operating frequency of the modem to cause interference. Frequencies outside the band will just be filtered out.
    You are correct. MagSafe is a feature that is intended to ensure the alignment of the two components being connected, whether for physical contact with MacBooks or electromagnetic alignment with charging pucks, pads, docks, etc. MagSafe also provides an Apple standard way for the attachment of accessories and mounts. I have a MagSafe mount for two of my tripods. 

    MagSafe is a nice-to-have convenience that improves Apple’s brand value for several Apple products. There’s a reason why Apple brought an improved MagSafe connection back to the MacBook product line. They obviously recognized that customers thought it was a valuable feature on products that supported MagSafe. 
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  • Reply 12 of 12
    slurpyslurpy Posts: 5,398member
    jayweiss said:
    I’d like to remind you that the iPhone SE does not have MagSafe either. Please stop whining about it. 
    I would like to remind you that iPhone 16e is priced about $170 higher than iPhone SE. So, stop whining about people missing MagSafe in iPhone 16e.

    What's your point? The 16e has a massively better screen, cameras, audio, performance, networking, battery life, microphones, design, etc than the SE, more than justifying the difference, even ignoring inflation.  Not like it needed magsafe to differentiate itself. Since It's $200 cheaper than the 16, and is 95% the same in most areas, it needed to have SOME differences.
    edited February 24
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