The future of internet liability is uncertain as congress targets Section 230

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Nearly 30 years after it was created, and after 15 years of political wrangling about it, it's beginning to look a law that protects internet companies from legal action over third-party content is on its way out.

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Created in 1996, Section 230 is an amendment to the Communications Act of 1934 and is part of the larger Telecommunications Act of 1996. In part, and crucially, it says that "no provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."

This meant that a platform, like GeoCities of yesteryear, wasn't legally liable for anything its users created, even if the content was illegal as long as there was a good-faith moderation effort. Essentially, it prevented "interactive computer services" from being defined as publishers.

Because it came about in the nascent days of the internet, platforms were significantly more fractured. Misinformation, hate speech, and dangerous content were harder -- but not impossible -- to find.

While the internet has arguably gotten bigger since 1996, in many ways, it's actually become quite a bit smaller. Social media platforms, like Facebook, TikTok, and X have billions of users.

Essentially, most of the internet's content comes from a handful of websites -- websites that aren't held legally responsible for how they manage said content.

Section 230's progenitors wouldn't have been able to predict the pervasiveness of social media. It's relatively easy to find illegal content on any one of the major social media platforms, and sometimes it seems even harder to avoid.

It's for this reason that lawmakers are seeking to kill off Section 230 -- sort of.

According to The Information, Democrat Senator Dick Durban and Republican Senator Lindsey Graham plan to introduce a bill that would set an expiration date of January 1, 2027, for Section 230. The proposal could come as soon as the week of March 24.

It's already gotten quite a bit of support from both sides. Josh Hawley and Marsha Blackburn, both Republicans, and Sheldon Whitehouse and Amy Klobuchar, both Democrats, have allegedly agreed to co-sponsor the bill.

A congressional aid familiar with the matter has said that the goal isn't to repeal 230 in its entirety, but rather to force the tech industry into negotiations.

"The idea would be to force them to the table, and if they don't come to the table and agree to meaningful reform, then ultimately Section 230 would be repealed," the congressional aide told The Information.

While it has its support, not everyone agrees with Congress' methods. Eric Goldman, a professor at Santa Clara University School of Law called it "a form of extortion." Adam Kovacevich, founder of tech lobbying form Chamber of Progress called it "hostage taking."

They argue that without free speech, platforms would either be overly sanitized or completely abandoned.

Again, wide support from politicians lacking the acuity to regulate tech



This effort is only the latest in a long line of efforts to modify or completely exterminate Section 230. This time around, though, it seems as though there is enough support from the government -- including from President Trump -- to get the ball rolling.

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President Trump has long supported the repeal of Section 230



And, as tends to be the case, both parties have different reasons for wanting Section 230 to be changed.

Democrats' concerns often focus on plainly illegal acts being committed on platforms, while being blind to peripheral damage that would happen if the law was killed. Common Democratic focuses include drug sales prevalent on Snapchat, "sextortion" scams on Instagram, and child sex abuse material on dating apps.

Republicans, naturally, have different issues with Section 230.

While Section 230 protects companies from liability for user-posted content, it also provides "good Samaritan" protection. This protection both requires good-faith user-generated content moderation, and gives platforms the right to remove content that it does not choose to host, without fear of punishment.

Many Republicans, including Trump, see this as an attack on individuals' free speech, and often erroneously equate the changes that they want to first amendment protections. However, like the Democrats, the focus on one aspect of Section 230 ignores the side-effects of the law being eliminated.

Changes frequently put forth by Republicans effectively demand that a private platform, such as the AppleInsider forums, be required to host any and all user-generated content.

The Information keenly points out that one party believes tech companies are doing too little to protect users, while another believes they are overstepping their boundaries.

Ultimately, though, both parties are unhappy with Section 230, and it's possible that we may see sweeping changes coming to the internet should the bill gain enough support.



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  • Reply 1 of 19
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,245member
    They’re going to be surprised when a lot of sites, likely including AI, just turn comments off due to liability concerns. Most of the web will just go silent. 
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  • Reply 2 of 19
    I agree. Too many who have no knowledge about how things really work are in control.

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  • Reply 3 of 19
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,053member
    The other unintended consequence of repealing Section 230 is that it will actually affect the right more than the left, and in ways exactly opposite of how the right thinks repealing it will change things. It's well documented that the the vast majority of misinformation, including outright brazen lies, originates from the right. If suddenly the posting of this material becomes actionable, with companies like FB sharing in liability, they'll have no choice but to apply draconian moderation to this stuff, whereas now they have the cover of Section 230 to treat it with a light hand because it's not their problem. Some companies/sites might close their forums, but companies like FB and the company formerly known as Twitter have their entire business model built around user generated content, so they can't just shut it off, but now they may be on the hook.

    I've never really understood why Trump, et al. think Section 230 is somehow muzzling them when in fact Section 230 is what has allowed them to post malicious nonsense and get away with it.

    Also, changes to the law requiring companies to allow all content will be unconstitutional since that would infringe the First Amendment rights of the site operators.
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  • Reply 4 of 19
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,245member
    The other unintended consequence of repealing Section 230 is that it will actually affect the right more than the left, and in ways exactly opposite of how the right thinks repealing it will change things. It's well documented that the the vast majority of misinformation, including outright brazen lies, originates from the right. If suddenly the posting of this material becomes actionable, with companies like FB sharing in liability, they'll have no choice but to apply draconian moderation to this stuff, whereas now they have the cover of Section 230 to treat it with a light hand because it's not their problem. Some companies/sites might close their forums, but companies like FB and the company formerly known as Twitter have their entire business model built around user generated content, so they can't just shut it off, but now they may be on the hook.

    I've never really understood why Trump, et al. think Section 230 is somehow muzzling them when in fact Section 230 is what has allowed them to post malicious nonsense and get away with it.

    Also, changes to the law requiring companies to allow all content will be unconstitutional since that would infringe the First Amendment rights of the site operators.
    Absolutely correct. I’ve been saying this for years. Section 230 is what has ALLOWED parts of the web to become cesspools. 
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  • Reply 5 of 19
    I agree. Too many who have no knowledge about how things really work are in control.


    Except in this case, they're backing into the right answer.  Facebook, Twitter, and most others these days are CURATORS, not just platforms that repost and relay other people's opinion.  Curation IS opinion, IS editor.ial content.  They are owners of that, and they've been hiding behind Section 230 to blast their own agendas and opinions while individual users are still on the hook legally and financially for their own posts.  

    That obviously isn't equal treatment under the law.  Section 230 needs to be gutted, or killed.  It's not like corporations don't have a million other avenues of protection for themselves, and where they don't, they have lawyers.  Endless supplies of lawyers.
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  • Reply 6 of 19
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,245member
    I agree. Too many who have no knowledge about how things really work are in control.


    Except in this case, they're backing into the right answer.  Facebook, Twitter, and most others these days are CURATORS, not just platforms that repost and relay other people's opinion.  Curation IS opinion, IS editor.ial content.  They are owners of that, and they've been hiding behind Section 230 to blast their own agendas and opinions while individual users are still on the hook legally and financially for their own posts.  

    That obviously isn't equal treatment under the law.  Section 230 needs to be gutted, or killed.  It's not like corporations don't have a million other avenues of protection for themselves, and where they don't, they have lawyers.  Endless supplies of lawyers.
    And when it is gone you will find much of the interactive part of the internet will shut down. Personally I’m not worried about FB, X, Reddit, and the like. It’s the little sites, the niche SM sites, the single person that allows comments on their own web site, that will be forced to shut down. Far from increasing free speech it will decrease. Many venues will be gone. Big ones like FB will have to crack down HARD on content. You think your voice has been throttled until now? You ain’t seen nothing yet. If the sites that remain are liable for anything that appears they are going to make them suitable for 6 year olds and ANYTHING that even slightly might be questionable will be purged. 
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  • Reply 7 of 19
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,965member
    I believe that some, but not all, opponents of Section 230 simply want another vehicle to punish media and social media outlets that publicize content that they declare as being defamatory or not in line with their own worldview or value system. 

    The problem with censorship of any sort is the fact that someone else is deciding what is acceptable and what is not. It would be ideal if there were universal standards for how people must behave in public and accountability for those who don’t. That’s a fantasy. Just in the decades I’ve inhabited the planet things that used to be deemed as totally unacceptable at even the lowest levels are acceptable at the highest levels of authority. 

    When we talk about things like free speech we over generalize that free speech is absolute, but that notion is quickly dispelled by the crowded theater fire argument. Repealing Section 230 would place responsibility on the theater owner for an individual who yells “fire” or “shooter” in a crowded theater. Yeah, I know it’s shocking for some people to come to terms with an individual being held responsible for their personal actions when blame can reassigned to others. 

    I believe a great deal of the damage caused by people in online media, social media, and forums could be drastically reduced by stripping away the veil of anonymity. You really shouldn’t say things to someone online that you wouldn’t say to them face to face.

    I’m not advocating for people who engage in online forums publish their personal identity, but it might be reasonable for the forum owners to be responsible for ensuring to the extent possible that they can associate online users with real people who can be held accountable for their online behavior. It’s not a perfect solution, but it might be a step in the right direction.  

    If you’re going to punish someone, punish those who are responsible, not the environment in which they engage in their shit behavior. If someone paints offensive graffiti on your wall, you shouldn’t be punished for the person who applied the graffiti. 
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  • Reply 8 of 19
    blastdoorblastdoor Posts: 3,743member
    DAalseth said:
    They’re going to be surprised when a lot of sites, likely including AI, just turn comments off due to liability concerns. Most of the web will just go silent. 
    Sounds like a step in the right direction to me.

    Yes, I participate in some forums, but I think the benefits of shutting the anti-social internet down outweigh the costs. I actually wonder if Rs in Congress feel the same way — they might prefer a world in which they don’t have to deal with the online mob and can instead focus on their donors 
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  • Reply 9 of 19
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  • Reply 10 of 19
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,053member
    I agree. Too many who have no knowledge about how things really work are in control.


    Except in this case, they're backing into the right answer.  Facebook, Twitter, and most others these days are CURATORS, not just platforms that repost and relay other people's opinion.  Curation IS opinion, IS editor.ial content.  They are owners of that, and they've been hiding behind Section 230 to blast their own agendas and opinions while individual users are still on the hook legally and financially for their own posts.  

    That obviously isn't equal treatment under the law.  Section 230 needs to be gutted, or killed.  It's not like corporations don't have a million other avenues of protection for themselves, and where they don't, they have lawyers.  Endless supplies of lawyers.
    I don't know how you have formed your ideas about this but you still have it completely backwards. Repealing Section 230 isn't going to stop, to use your word, "curation" of content by FB and others, it's just going to mean that they delete a lot of content that they now leave up. Individual users would still be "on the hook for their own posts," but anything the "curators" deem to put them on the hook as well, like false and defamatory posts from political operatives, will be removed. Without Section 230 a lot of individual "voices" are going to be muted, but the so called "curators" aren't going to be muted.

    It's really amazing how so many people, especially those who have benefited the most from Section 230, have the rather wild idea that Section 230 is somehow muzzling them or somehow giving "curators" some sort of special "immunity" to "censor" when the reality is exactly the opposite.
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  • Reply 11 of 19
    iadlibiadlib Posts: 121member
    "a form of extortion." 

    "hostage taking."

    Has big tech not taken the world and our attention hostage? Do they not extort us for every penny they can?

    hypocrisy is not a good look. 
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  • Reply 12 of 19
    I agree. Too many who have no knowledge about how things really work are in control.


    Except in this case, they're backing into the right answer.  Facebook, Twitter, and most others these days are CURATORS, not just platforms that repost and relay other people's opinion.  Curation IS opinion, IS editor.ial content.  They are owners of that, and they've been hiding behind Section 230 to blast their own agendas and opinions while individual users are still on the hook legally and financially for their own posts.  

    That obviously isn't equal treatment under the law.  Section 230 needs to be gutted, or killed.  It's not like corporations don't have a million other avenues of protection for themselves, and where they don't, they have lawyers.  Endless supplies of lawyers.
    I don't know how you have formed your ideas about this but you still have it completely backwards. Repealing Section 230 isn't going to stop, to use your word, "curation" of content by FB and others, it's just going to mean that they delete a lot of content that they now leave up. Individual users would still be "on the hook for their own posts," but anything the "curators" deem to put them on the hook as well, like false and defamatory posts from political operatives, will be removed. Without Section 230 a lot of individual "voices" are going to be muted, but the so called "curators" aren't going to be muted.

    It's really amazing how so many people, especially those who have benefited the most from Section 230, have the rather wild idea that Section 230 is somehow muzzling them or somehow giving "curators" some sort of special "immunity" to "censor" when the reality is exactly the opposite.

    I didn’t say it would stop curation. I said that big corporations weren’t just reposting other people’s opinions and acting as a “community board”, they were acting as an editorial entity themselves in ADDITION to posting thr content of others.  

    Right now, Twitter and Facebook, through curation of user feeds, gets to be an agent free to give their users a view of the truth, or what “the majority believe” about a person, all without fear or reprisal or consequence because of Section 230. 

    However, If an individual says something similar that is counter factual that causes harm, they’re subject to libel laws. 

    We all benefited by 230 before platforms started with their engagement algorithms. facebook’s engagement tactics are well known, and border on election interference in their bias toward right wing candidates and rightwing extremist viewpoints.  

    That’s not simple store and forward of the content of others.  That’s Facebook pushing its own content and own agenda.  For its own purposes. That makes their participation subject to the user side of Section 230 in addition to the hosting side. 
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  • Reply 13 of 19
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,931member
    DAalseth said:
    They’re going to be surprised when a lot of sites, likely including AI, just turn comments off due to liability concerns. Most of the web will just go silent. 
    So there's nowhere for people to post blatant, malicious lies on the web anymore?  I do not think of that as a bad thing.
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  • Reply 14 of 19
    Obvious issue: if comments on the internet are considered “3rd party” then that makes guests that appear on news broadcasts “3rd party” as well. How would that be reconciled with the idea that the platform can’t pick/choose which views that it allows? 
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  • Reply 15 of 19
    tundraboytundraboy Posts: 1,931member
    -anonymouse said:
    I don't know how you have formed your ideas about this but you still have it completely backwards. Repealing Section 230 isn't going to stop, to use your word, "curation" of content by FB and others, it's just going to mean that they delete a lot of content that they now leave up. Individual users would still be "on the hook for their own posts," but anything the "curators" deem to put them on the hook as well, like false and defamatory posts from political operatives, will be removed. Without Section 230 a lot of individual "voices" are going to be muted, but the so called "curators" aren't going to be muted.
    Yes the curators won't be muted.  But now they will be legally responsible for the information that they put on their sites.  Just like any publisher. Because if you are curating a site, then you are a de facto publisher.

    That's all that repeal advocates want.  You should be legally answerable for what you allow to be printed on your newspaper, broadcasted on your TV network, displayed on your highway billboard, and now, posted on your website.

    Seriously, what is wrong or bad about that?

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  • Reply 16 of 19
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 7,053member
    I agree. Too many who have no knowledge about how things really work are in control.


    Except in this case, they're backing into the right answer.  Facebook, Twitter, and most others these days are CURATORS, not just platforms that repost and relay other people's opinion.  Curation IS opinion, IS editor.ial content.  They are owners of that, and they've been hiding behind Section 230 to blast their own agendas and opinions while individual users are still on the hook legally and financially for their own posts.  

    That obviously isn't equal treatment under the law.  Section 230 needs to be gutted, or killed.  It's not like corporations don't have a million other avenues of protection for themselves, and where they don't, they have lawyers.  Endless supplies of lawyers.
    I don't know how you have formed your ideas about this but you still have it completely backwards. Repealing Section 230 isn't going to stop, to use your word, "curation" of content by FB and others, it's just going to mean that they delete a lot of content that they now leave up. Individual users would still be "on the hook for their own posts," but anything the "curators" deem to put them on the hook as well, like false and defamatory posts from political operatives, will be removed. Without Section 230 a lot of individual "voices" are going to be muted, but the so called "curators" aren't going to be muted.

    It's really amazing how so many people, especially those who have benefited the most from Section 230, have the rather wild idea that Section 230 is somehow muzzling them or somehow giving "curators" some sort of special "immunity" to "censor" when the reality is exactly the opposite.

    I didn’t say it would stop curation. I said that big corporations weren’t just reposting other people’s opinions and acting as a “community board”, they were acting as an editorial entity themselves in ADDITION to posting thr content of others.  

    Right now, Twitter and Facebook, through curation of user feeds, gets to be an agent free to give their users a view of the truth, or what “the majority believe” about a person, all without fear or reprisal or consequence because of Section 230. 

    However, If an individual says something similar that is counter factual that causes harm, they’re subject to libel laws. 

    We all benefited by 230 before platforms started with their engagement algorithms. facebook’s engagement tactics are well known, and border on election interference in their bias toward right wing candidates and rightwing extremist viewpoints.  

    That’s not simple store and forward of the content of others.  That’s Facebook pushing its own content and own agenda.  For its own purposes. That makes their participation subject to the user side of Section 230 in addition to the hosting side. 
    tundraboy said:
    -anonymouse said:
    I don't know how you have formed your ideas about this but you still have it completely backwards. Repealing Section 230 isn't going to stop, to use your word, "curation" of content by FB and others, it's just going to mean that they delete a lot of content that they now leave up. Individual users would still be "on the hook for their own posts," but anything the "curators" deem to put them on the hook as well, like false and defamatory posts from political operatives, will be removed. Without Section 230 a lot of individual "voices" are going to be muted, but the so called "curators" aren't going to be muted.
    Yes the curators won't be muted.  But now they will be legally responsible for the information that they put on their sites.  Just like any publisher. Because if you are curating a site, then you are a de facto publisher.

    That's all that repeal advocates want.  You should be legally answerable for what you allow to be printed on your newspaper, broadcasted on your TV network, displayed on your highway billboard, and now, posted on your website.

    Seriously, what is wrong or bad about that?

    And how exactly do you see this benefitting the people who want to repeal it? Or are you hoping repealing it will muzzle only the views you disagree with?

    Section 230 is basically like a First Amendment Light for the internet. By removing liability for what individuals post, it allows content platforms to moderate with a light hand and individuals to express their viewpoints. Unless you are in favor of suppressing speech on the internet, it's hard to see how you could be in favor of repealing Section 230 because all Section 230 does is encourage content hosters to allow it. None of the issues you highlight will be solved by repealing Section 230.
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  • Reply 17 of 19
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,724member
    tundraboy said:
    -anonymouse said:
    I don't know how you have formed your ideas about this but you still have it completely backwards. Repealing Section 230 isn't going to stop, to use your word, "curation" of content by FB and others, it's just going to mean that they delete a lot of content that they now leave up. Individual users would still be "on the hook for their own posts," but anything the "curators" deem to put them on the hook as well, like false and defamatory posts from political operatives, will be removed. Without Section 230 a lot of individual "voices" are going to be muted, but the so called "curators" aren't going to be muted.
    Yes the curators won't be muted.  But now they will be legally responsible for the information that they put on their sites.  Just like any publisher. Because if you are curating a site, then you are a de facto publisher.

    That's all that repeal advocates want.  You should be legally answerable for what you allow to be printed on your newspaper, broadcasted on your TV network, displayed on your highway billboard, and now, posted on your website.

    Seriously, what is wrong or bad about that?

    Can we assume a carve-out exception for Fox News, Truth Social, NewsMax, and X?
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  • Reply 18 of 19
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,021administrator
    tundraboy said:
    -anonymouse said:
    I don't know how you have formed your ideas about this but you still have it completely backwards. Repealing Section 230 isn't going to stop, to use your word, "curation" of content by FB and others, it's just going to mean that they delete a lot of content that they now leave up. Individual users would still be "on the hook for their own posts," but anything the "curators" deem to put them on the hook as well, like false and defamatory posts from political operatives, will be removed. Without Section 230 a lot of individual "voices" are going to be muted, but the so called "curators" aren't going to be muted.
    Yes the curators won't be muted.  But now they will be legally responsible for the information that they put on their sites.  Just like any publisher. Because if you are curating a site, then you are a de facto publisher.

    That's all that repeal advocates want.  You should be legally answerable for what you allow to be printed on your newspaper, broadcasted on your TV network, displayed on your highway billboard, and now, posted on your website.

    Seriously, what is wrong or bad about that?

    There is no legal definition of publisher or curation that fits what you're saying here, over decades of litigation over 230.

    In fact, section 230 absolutely requires moderation to qualify for its protections.
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  • Reply 19 of 19
    MplsPmplsp Posts: 4,097member
    I would find it immensely humorous if Musk lost another $44B in lawsuits from all the lies, slander and libelous posts on TwitteX
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