Trump has not raised big tech China tariffs to 245 percent

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Despite scaremongering headlines, Trump did not escalate his "reciprocal" China tariff to 245% on Tuesday night. The figure is a reinstatement of previous tariffs that don't apply to Apple or big tech at all.

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Tim Cook and Donal Trump in 2019 -- image credit: White House



Coming on top of previous escalations and the Apple exemption that Trump says isn't an exemption, it wouldn't have been surprising if the China tariff rose again. And the White House itself stoked fear-mongering by how it phrased the tariffs in a fact sheet issued late on Tuesday night, April 15, 2025.

"China now faces up to a 245% tariff on imports to the United States," says the fact sheet, "as a result of its retaliatory actions."

However, the 245% tariff is the maximum applied out of an enormous range of tariffs against US firms importing from China. It includes, for example, a long-standing 20% tariff on goods that include Fentanyl, which no Apple products do.

There is a pre-2025 tariff of 100% on items such as syringes and needles, which was in place before the omnibus tariff announcement earlier in April. Other goods, including clothing and solar panels, are subject to a tariff that ranges from 7% to 100%.

So it is true that some firms are facing having to pay two and a half times the cost of goods they import from China, it is not the blanket escalation made on Monday that it is being made out to be.

The tariff situation is fluid, and confusing sometimes



Trump initially set a tariff of 104% on China, then raised it to 125% after China responded by imposing its own tariffs on US imports. As often with the tariffs, Trump later clarified that the amount was actually 145%.

At the time, China said that Trump's tariffs were bullying, but said it would not raise its own tariffs beyond its initial retaliatory 125%.

According to China Daily, China's Foreign Minister Lin Jian told journalists they should ask Trump about the rise. "You can take this number to the US side for an answer," he said.

But Lin also said that there are no winners in tariff and trade wars. "China is not willing to fight [such a war], nor is it afraid of fighting," he continued.

It's not clear if or when Apple and Trump will talk



Trump has repeatedly said that China should do what he claims other countries have done, and ask for negotiations.

"If the US genuinely wants to solve the problem through dialogue and negotiation," said Lin, "it should give up its approach of imposing extreme pressure, stop threatening and blackmailing, and engage in dialogue with the Chinese side on the basis of equality, respect and mutual benefit."

Alongside the Apple exemption, Trump also paused all tariffs on April 9, 2025 -- except for China. While Apple is currently escaping those China tariffs, Trump also announced a spurious probe into the national security implications of semiconductor usage.

While that investigation is officially ongoing and won't report until after it hears submissions from interested parties, commerce secretary Howard Lutnick has already prejudged the probe and said that semiconductor tariffs will be coming.



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  • Reply 1 of 16
    DAalsethdaalseth Posts: 3,267member

    equality, respect and mutual benefit


    Three words Trump does not know the meaning of. He has a four year old’s idea of interaction; for me to win the other side has to lose. 
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  • Reply 2 of 16
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,222member
    Most analysts seem to accept that any tariff over 50 or 60% effectively kills trade options so anything far over that is just a meaningless number.

    That is why China said it wouldn't be further increasing it's own tariffs but take other non-tariff measures. 

    We've seen the rare earths option and now there are rumours about Boeing taking a hit. 

    Meanwhile, on the US side, Nvidia has announced a charge that could hit $5B due to new US restrictions on chips it specifically designed for the Chinese market due to previous sanctions. The US thinks it will also stall China's supercomputer efforts but China stopped reporting it's supercomputing numbers a few years ago and they were said to be already ahead in that race but laying low on the marketing side. 

    And this is happening on the same day that rumours claim that Huawei is moving forward and testing a huge AI Supernode in its Wuhu data centre complex.

    Nvidia must be fuming. 
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  • Reply 3 of 16
    If the next Apple Watch had fentanyl administration capabilities, that would be a killer feature that would make me upgrade from my 9.
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  • Reply 4 of 16
    Sabotage by saboteurs. Don't expect anything else to be happening. 
    12Strangersradarthekat
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  • Reply 5 of 16
    jfabula1jfabula1 Posts: 216member
    I’m so scared reading propaganda.
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  • Reply 6 of 16
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,034administrator
    jfabula1 said:
    I’m so scared reading propaganda.
    If you're talking about the White House post using the 245% as a scare tactic, then I agree, but given your post history, I suspect you aren't.
    muthuk_vanalingamNouniardwilliamlondonradarthekatDBSyncking editor the grate
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  • Reply 7 of 16
    AppleZuluapplezulu Posts: 2,386member
    So, old tariffs, new tariffs, big tariffs or no tariffs, the consistent factors are misinformation, disinformation, chaos and instability, none of it good for businesses, big or small. 
    ssfe11muthuk_vanalingam12StrangersradarthekatsconosciutoFileMakerFeller
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  • Reply 8 of 16
    Appleishappleish Posts: 758member
    Bottom Line: He never has the guts to follow through. He's a twitter troll, in control of the bully pulpit, who's just looking for clicks through controversy.
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  • Reply 9 of 16
    Just goes to show how crazy the news is when I can’t tell if the last section of the article has switched “Apple” for “China” by mistake. 
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  • Reply 10 of 16
    The 

    It's not clear if or when Apple and Trump will talk

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  • Reply 11 of 16
    Mike Wuerthelemike wuerthele Posts: 7,034administrator
    Just goes to show how crazy the news is when I can’t tell if the last section of the article has switched “Apple” for “China” by mistake. 
    Could have been either.
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  • Reply 12 of 16
    SiTimesitime Posts: 37member
    Can someone please let the administration know that: Not every day has to be a major news day. You can have days that are mostly quiet, boring and peaceful. It’s possible. I know it’s possible. I’ve seen it happen (with other administrations).
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  • Reply 13 of 16
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,359member
    Don’t really care what China’s spokespeople say. Self-serving propaganda. Once they start talking up their willingness to negotiate in good faith for the benefit of America, the ears will park up once again. Until then, it all sounds like Charlie brown’s teacher. 


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  • Reply 14 of 16
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,359member
    The 

    It's not clear if or when Apple and Trump will talk

    Bit
    Cook has trump’s number. It’s not like he doesn’t use it. 
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  • Reply 15 of 16
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,222member
    Don’t really care what China’s spokespeople say. Self-serving propaganda. Once they start talking up their willingness to negotiate in good faith for the benefit of America, the ears will park up once again. Until then, it all sounds like Charlie brown’s teacher. 


    Is there anything from the current US administration that isn't self-serving propaganda? 

    Isn't that what MAGA is all about? 'Us' and forget the rest, who are all out to 'screw' the US.

    Has Trump uttered a single word (even when not in the presidency) that wasn't self-serving propaganda?

    Why should anyone negotiate in good faith when it was the US administration that sent the world's business and financial markets into a tailspin without even a minimal effort to negotiate prior to Liberation Day? 

    And why on earth, given the aggressive path that Trump has taken, should anyone negotiate for the benefit of America?

    China has zero reasons to bow down to Trump. China has to be approached in an entirely different manner. The same applies to the EU although here, 'diplomacy' is still the preferred option. 

    That said we already know that the EU is moving to reduce strategic dependence even further than they were and even faster. 

    Especially in technology and energy. 

    Just like China has. Several EU states are now much more open to China trade options than they were just a few weeks ago. 

    One person (plus cohorts) is to blame. 
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    thtsconosciutoDBSyncmuthuk_vanalingamking editor the grateFileMakerFeller
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  • Reply 16 of 16
    The "ignore" function is a beautiful thing.
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