I generally upgrade when the performance increases by 3 times what i have already got. At the moment its a g4 400. So Im looking for about 1.2ghz, but it will have to be the low end model, so I may be lucky at MWNY which is the timeframe im looking to upgrade.
Agreed that all powermacs should be dual processor. Really, this is a no-brainer for dramatically increasing pwermac sales. Id like to see the following
[quote]Originally posted by Dennis the Phantom Menace:
<strong>I'd buy a Powermac right now if I could get a Geforce 4 ti 4600 for it. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
If Apple want's to do something realistic, then at a minimum they should put ATA133 RAID on the motherboard, with support for 4 HDD's. Leave the older ATA66 controller there too, for the main system HD and the optical. Thats a cost effective solution that wouldn't cost them or us an arm and a leg. You could add the drives yourself, yet you wouldn't have to suck up PCI bandwidth to do it. 4 fast 7200rpm ATA drives, striped, might not give the pure speed of a SCSI160 set-up, but they'd beat the snot out of it on price performance.
If they could get serialATA (starting at 200MB/s) then that would offer enough bandwidth for all your uncompressed video-editing needs) offer a serial ATA RAID controller and you just about don't need SCSi for anything anymore.
It's quite scary how far back our BMW's are falling behind, but in any event, what can SJ and co do to get you to throw your money at them?
Realistic, honest stuff please. We know a dual 2.5ghz G5 isn't happening for 2002/3 (/4 ), but really, what does apple need to do at MWNY to get your $$?
For me, I only have the money for the bottom, possibly the middle (darn high margins), but there is no way I am going to get an SP pro mac these days. So, I'd like duals across the line, or at least the top 2.
- Nvidia Geforce5MX (due July, plus the 4MX is a dog, really 2MX+) with some form of OSX acceleration
Even if they fell a bit below the specs listed above, I'd consider one. 512MB RAM is needed in a pro machine (even for prosumer work, 256MB was by far not enough I found in X). Big HDD's are needed (very common on 'the other side').
Oh also, with the CURRENT PRICES, or a $100-200 drop on all models if they skimp on say RAM/HDD.
I think that would make them pretty competitive, wouldn't you say?</strong><hr></blockquote>
To earn my money for a pro-desktop, Apple would have to offer a complete system with flat panel display (top of the line) for $2,999.95.
It is not that Apple makes bad products. It is that their products do not justify the price in the current market. Mac users may not mind paying the confiscator Mac tax and provide excessively high profit margins to help out their beloved company. But if they want to attract none Mac users, they have to compete with PC offerings. PC users don't care about supporting a company. We care about getting the most bang for our buck. Screw the company. If Apple will not compete like every other company for our business, it will never get our business.
Again the problem is not the products. If the best Apple could offer were G3s that would not matter just as long as they were priced appropriately. But if they are priced as if they were high performance G5s then they won't sell. Apple needs to quite trying to sell Hondas (fine cars) at BMW (extravagantly fine cars) prices.
<strong>Apple needs to quite trying to sell Hondas (fine cars) at BMW (extravagantly fine cars) prices.</strong><hr></blockquote>
check... and mate. i agree. the computers are awesome and i adore them, but hell no i'm not gonna spend 4K on soemthing i'll replace in 2 years, or less.
also like Programmer said I'd _LOVE_ to have more BTO options. I don't need a 1000mb network card, I can buy RAM myself, I don't yet need a DVD-RW (yet), etc. I would most likely order a PowerMac without a gfx card and buy one a bit later (running cheap-o rage128 meanwhile). ideally a stripped system w/o gfx card would sell for $1000 or less. I guess it would find a lot of customers in the self-builder market.
"Again the problem is not the products. If the best Apple could offer were G3s that would not matter just as long as they were priced appropriately. But if they are priced as if they were high performance G5s then they won't sell. Apple needs to quite trying to sell Hondas (fine cars) at BMW (extravagantly fine cars) prices."
Yep. That's about it for the Pro line...or what's left of the Pro line. It's in tatters.
Apple need to 'compete' with it's Pro line. Cos it aint at the moment.
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Agreed that all powermacs should be dual processor. Really, this is a no-brainer for dramatically increasing pwermac sales. Id like to see the following
Dual 1ghz/dual 1.2/dual 1.4
all DDR 266/333 all GF4
512MB minimum
<strong>I'd buy a Powermac right now if I could get a Geforce 4 ti 4600 for it. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
you can bto a GeForce 4Ti
Yeah, and have it delivered in July...
If they could get serialATA (starting at 200MB/s) then that would offer enough bandwidth for all your uncompressed video-editing needs) offer a serial ATA RAID controller and you just about don't need SCSi for anything anymore.
<strong>Buy a new Pro desktop Mac?
It's quite scary how far back our BMW's are falling behind, but in any event, what can SJ and co do to get you to throw your money at them?
Realistic, honest stuff please. We know a dual 2.5ghz G5 isn't happening for 2002/3 (/4
For me, I only have the money for the bottom, possibly the middle (darn high margins), but there is no way I am going to get an SP pro mac these days. So, I'd like duals across the line, or at least the top 2.
- 1GHZ dual / 1.2GHZ dual / 1.4GHZ dual (all with 2MB L3 cache)
- 333MHZ bus (possibly using RapidIO)
- 512MB / 512MB / 1024MB DDR333 all round
- ATA100 (133 please)
- 80GB / 100GB / 120GB HDD's
- FireWire2 at 800mbps cable, 1600mbps fibre
- New sound system, with 5.1 and optical support
- Nvidia Geforce5MX (due July, plus the 4MX is a dog, really 2MX+) with some form of OSX acceleration
Even if they fell a bit below the specs listed above, I'd consider one. 512MB RAM is needed in a pro machine (even for prosumer work, 256MB was by far not enough I found in X). Big HDD's are needed (very common on 'the other side').
Oh also, with the CURRENT PRICES, or a $100-200 drop on all models if they skimp on say RAM/HDD.
I think that would make them pretty competitive, wouldn't you say?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I hope we see at MWNY:
PowerPC G5 (MPC8500)
1.4GHz,4MB L3C/ 1.8GHz,4MB L3C/ 2x1.6GHz,2x4MB L3C
0.5GB DDR-RAM / 1GB DDR-RAM / 1.5GB DDR-RAM
Nvidia GeForce 4 Ti 4600, 128MB DDR-RAM
HD: 80GB / 100GB / 120GB (Western Digital Caviar)
Combo: Plextor PlexCombo / Pioneer DVR-A04
Bluetooth: ready / installed / installed
Airport: ready / installed / installed
400MHz FSB
1x AGP (8x)
6x RAM Slots
4x 64bit PCI Slots (133MHz)
4x USB 2.0
3x Firewire 2.0
1x 10/ 100/ 1000Mbit Ethernet
Price: 1699$ / 2299$ / 3499$
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It is not that Apple makes bad products. It is that their products do not justify the price in the current market. Mac users may not mind paying the confiscator Mac tax and provide excessively high profit margins to help out their beloved company. But if they want to attract none Mac users, they have to compete with PC offerings. PC users don't care about supporting a company. We care about getting the most bang for our buck. Screw the company. If Apple will not compete like every other company for our business, it will never get our business.
Again the problem is not the products. If the best Apple could offer were G3s that would not matter just as long as they were priced appropriately. But if they are priced as if they were high performance G5s then they won't sell. Apple needs to quite trying to sell Hondas (fine cars) at BMW (extravagantly fine cars) prices.
<strong>Apple needs to quite trying to sell Hondas (fine cars) at BMW (extravagantly fine cars) prices.</strong><hr></blockquote>
check... and mate. i agree. the computers are awesome and i adore them, but hell no i'm not gonna spend 4K on soemthing i'll replace in 2 years, or less.
for $1200
1,2 - 1,4 ghz G4,
ATA 100/133,
DDR 333,
128 mb RAM,
40 GB HDD,
CDRW,
geforce4 ti 4200 or Radeon 8500
(even 8500LE would be nice).
also like Programmer said I'd _LOVE_ to have more BTO options. I don't need a 1000mb network card, I can buy RAM myself, I don't yet need a DVD-RW (yet), etc. I would most likely order a PowerMac without a gfx card and buy one a bit later (running cheap-o rage128 meanwhile). ideally a stripped system w/o gfx card would sell for $1000 or less. I guess it would find a lot of customers in the self-builder market.
Yep. That's about it for the Pro line...or what's left of the Pro line. It's in tatters.
Apple need to 'compete' with it's Pro line. Cos it aint at the moment.
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