Collection of confirmed Panther info.

jll · May 8, 2003 8:53AM

My take on the "system wide metal" rumor is that Carbon apps will support .nib files in Panther and that developers can easily make Brushed Metal interfaces in Carbon apps as they can in Cocoa apps today.

costique · May 8, 2003 9:02AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JLL

My take on the "system wide metal" rumor is that Carbon apps will support .nib files in Panther and that developers can easily make Brushed Metal interfaces in Carbon apps as they can in Cocoa apps today.

This is a system-wide support indeed, in a sense.

costique · May 8, 2003 9:04AM

Where the **** is the real Universal Software Update to which any developer could hook up his apps?

chucker · May 8, 2003 10:37AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JLL

My take on the "system wide metal" rumor is that Carbon apps will support .nib files in Panther

1. launch Project Builder

2. new Project

3. "Carbon Application (Nib Based)"

ghost_user_name · May 8, 2003 10:46AM

Yeah, what Chucker said.

Carbon apps have supported nibs for a LONG time. A number of carbon apps use them.

buonrotto · May 8, 2003 10:56AM

Well, that was a real yawn.

I find it interesting that so few of these reports and our own speculation focus on the system software per se. Most of this report was about apps, not the system.

jll · May 8, 2003 12:55PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chucker

1. launch Project Builder

2. new Project

3. "Carbon Application (Nib Based)"

Forgot about that

Must be because I don't have any nib based Carbon apps.

But is it easy to make a brushed metal look if you don't use IB?

chucker · May 8, 2003 1:01PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JLL

Forgot about that

Must be because I don't have any nib based Carbon apps.

But is it easy to make a brushed metal look if you don't use IB?

You *do* use IB (I think. I don't do Carbon.).

jll · May 8, 2003 1:24PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chucker

You *do* use IB (I think. I don't do Carbon.).

I don't think people are using IB if the code in CodeWarrior or other developer tools.

kickaha · May 8, 2003 1:55PM

Anything you do in IB, you can do programatically, by hand.

It's just a royal pain. Well no, it's not really any harder than doing any other programmatic building of a GUI... in other words, it's a royal pain.

chucker · May 8, 2003 2:00PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JLL

I don't think people are using IB if the code in CodeWarrior or other developer tools.

If they use CodeWarrior, they don't use Project Builder either.

jll · May 8, 2003 2:03PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chucker

If they use CodeWarrior, they don't use Project Builder either.

Which I never said they did.

kickaha · May 8, 2003 2:37PM

Point is:

You can use Carbon NIBs from IB, or CodeWarrior. One's just a whole lot easier than the other.

chucker · May 8, 2003 3:45PM

JLL,

a ) EITHER they use Project Builder, choose "Carbon with nib-based Interface" and use Interface Builder to build the nib

b ) OR they use CodeWarrior or whatever else and need to do this manually

But choosing b ) does NOT mean they can't use nib files. It'll just get needlessly difficult.

jll · May 8, 2003 4:13PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chucker

JLL,

a ) EITHER they use Project Builder, choose "Carbon with nib-based Interface" and use Interface Builder to build the nib

b ) OR they use CodeWarrior or whatever else and need to do this manually

But choosing b ) does NOT mean they can't use nib files. It'll just get needlessly difficult.

OK, stop it now! I get it - you just didn't understand what I was asking about earlier.

I said: But is it easy to make a brushed metal look if you don't use IB?

You said: You *do* use IB

I said: I don't think people are using IB if they code in CodeWarrior or other developer tools.

You said: If they use CodeWarrior, they don't use Project Builder either.

I said: Which I never said they did.

Confusing conversation

placebo · May 8, 2003 6:38PM

Just out of curiousity, can you use other textures that are'nt metal? It would be kinda cool to have a "water" texture or something.

amorph · May 8, 2003 7:11PM

CodeWarrior can read and integrate NIBs generated with Interface Builder, so the answer to using NIBs in CW is the same as the answer for PB. Both Carbon and Cocoa apps developed in CW can use IB interfaces.

stephane · May 9, 2003 4:37AM

A system wide metal interface can mean either some of the following or all of them :

- All iApps already brush metal

- other Apple apps managing media "brushmetalizzed" : Mail, Preview, Sherlock, TextEdit (or next Appleworks)

- Apple utilities : Airport Admin Utility, Disk Uitlity, Disk Copy, ColorSync Utility etc...

- Apple System integrated utilities (no apps per se but os features or "configuration panels" : Print Center, Preferences, NetInfo Manager, Terminal, Console, Help...

My guess is that Apple will have in brush metal all its apps that manage media (text, pictures, sound, video) -,including Mail, Sherlock and maybe Help ; and Utilities covering different functions will be considered no more Finder features but Apps per se and thus could be metallized:

- Print Center (1: install, choose and configure printers, 2: manage trays and print jobs and printed layout)

- Network Utility

- ODBC Administrator

- Disc Utility

With that, a System wide brush metal interface could be considered as a reality while Aqua Finder would be still there. That's why rumors speaking of the system wide metal interface could be not so inaccurate even if Aqua is still there.

On a side note, some Utilities could be gathered in a special Advanced Prefences Panel : Colorsync Utility, Display calibrator, Audio Midi Setup, Airport and Bluetooth Utilities, NetInfo, Keychain...they are hardly apps and more settings panels.

Why not go further and set this thing in brush metal...

placebo · May 9, 2003 7:03AM

I think that iChat would be great with a feature that Safari brought us: Tabs. I don't know about you guys, but when I'm on iChat, I am usually talking to 4-5 people at once, in individual chats. To eliminate that chaos would be great. Imagine: all of your chats grouped into a single window. Nice.

Another app that iChat could take on would be Proteus. Proteus provides users with compatability with AIM, Jabber, Yahoo--the whole gamut of messaging services. iChat: the universal messenger.

buonrotto · May 9, 2003 9:39AM

At least per Apple's UE guidelines, it does make sense that apps like Disk Copy, Airport Utility and Disk Utility would be brushed metal since they specifically interact with physical devices. That's saying nothing of the metal guidelines Apple wrote of course.

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Collection of confirmed Panther info.