"However, Q37 will ship before Apple rolls out a 64-bit version of Panther in September. Instead, the new Power Macs will ship with a special Jaguar build train code-named Smeagol. Smeagol will run on the new chip but won't take advantage of many of its key features, limiting initial performance gains."
I'm confused, even after the many interesting and informative posts on this forum, as to what performance gains 64-bit processing may bring to OSX. My understanding is that the 64-bit aspect of the chip isn't were we are going to find the greatest performance gains. Is there an aspect of 64-bit computing that Apple can take advantage of in OSX?
A jury awarded $1.2 million to Microsoft and Everex Systems in a lawsuit involving pirated copies of Microsoft software. The defendants were accused of selling counterfeit copies of a Microsoft computer program to Everex. Pirated software became an international problem for software companies in the 1990s, costing U.S. software companies an estimated $11.4 million in revenue in 1997.
D@mn, I've only been away for two days and now even the AI frontpage is updated, and the rest of the rumor web is flooding with rumors of powermacs and powerbooks
D@mn, I've only been away for two days and now even the AI frontpage is updated, and the rest of the rumor web is flooding with rumors of powermacs and powerbooks
Don't dare sleep. Better: Don't even blink at all.
I think we're making some logical leaps with regards to the whole 970-rollout thing!
The inference that some posters have made here is that some hypothetical bakeoff will be disadvantaged because it won't run Panther.
The more likely reality is that any bakeoff will have been rehearsed/tested to destruction by the keynote, based on a Panther platform. The bakeoff may not even be purely Photoshop; in view of Adobe's recent 'disloyalty', I wouldn't be surprised if the bakeoff compares Premiere on a P4 to FCP4 on the best 970.
The opportunity for ADC members to 'acquire' 970-based hardware requires a 'stable' operating system based on Jaguar, facilitating backwards compatibility for code developed under 970, but ultimately purchased by retail Jaguar users, however the "killer argument" is developing code that can operate in a Panther environment under both G4 and 970 environments.
If you're a commercial user, you can buy a "970" pre-loaded with Smeagol just like a developer, however you won't have access to Panther until the autumn. However, it probably won't matter to you financially because Apple will probably give you a copy of Panther on production of a coupon anyway.
As for the press, fsck most of them!
The tame "Mac Press" can be largely relied on to play by the rules, and Apple should help the likes of MacWorld, MacCentral and MacUser with their benchmarks based on a Panther future!
As for the rest, they can wait until we are shipping a complete solution in the retail world.
That's a simple solution, Apple is in control of who gets evaluation units. If ZDNet or anyone else wants to lash out a couple of grand to buy a unit just to write knocking copy, that's their perogative - the truth will out by September and the guilty parties will look fairly stupid wasting column inches, whilst simultaneously annoying Apple for any future information.
I'm sitting here pricking my thumbs, because something wicked this way comes (and I also have insulin-resistant diabetes).
Speculation is mounting that Apple could unveil new Power Macs at its Worldwide Developers Conference, which starts on 23 June.
A MacUser.co.uk source reports that WWDC will be the 'biggest ever' and will feature significant hardware announcements, while according to eWeek, Apple 'is nearing the release of desktop systems featuring IBM's 64-bit PowerPC 970 chip'.
Apple has already confirmed that Mac OS X 10.3 - codenamed Panther - will be previewed for the first time at WWDC. Panther will be the first version of Mac OS X capable of exploiting the 64-bit capabilities of the PowerPC 970 chips.
eWeek suggests that in fact the new Power Macs - expected to be tagged as G5s - will beat OS X 10.3 to market and that in the interim a 'special' build of 10.2 - Smeagol- will be released to bridge the gap.
Adding spice to the mix, Apple lawyers recently forced one Mac rumour Web site to remove a story predicting G5s at WWDC.
What is certain is that with the imminent release of QuarkXPress for OS X and the decision by Adobe to discontinue the Classic version of Photoshop, all but one of the elements that can persuade pro Mac suers to switch wholesale to OS X are in place. The missing element is a Power Mac range powerful enough to justify the expenditure for not just the computers, but across the board software upgrades."
I wonder what Carmack will say about the 970. Hrrmmmm...
I hereby predict that a dual 1.8 GHz G5 Powermac will run Doom 3 faster than the fastest Wintel money can buy.
Please, PLEASE let there be dual G5 Powermacs announced. It's fine if they don't ship at first, but for fsck's sake announce them! Going all single CPU would be an extremely bad idea IMO, and it would generate too much ill will and resentment towards Apple after all the years of pushing dualies.
I hereby predict that a dual 1.8 GHz G5 Powermac will run Doom 3 faster than the fastest Wintel money can buy... Please, PLEASE let there be dual G5 Powermacs announced...
And how about the PSbench that the Arse BF crowd is so enamored of? 'Velocity Engines' unleashed!
I agree that duals must follow rapidly ~ across the board! Put the single 970's in the iMac and use duals to differentiate the pro line. The consumer line badly needs pumping up too.
The first photograph to be sent across the Atlantic via radio fax was a photo of Pope Pius XI, sent from Rome to Maine. The 7-by-9.5-inch photo took forty minutes to transmit and was published in the New York World the same day it was sent.
Speculation is mounting that Apple could unveil new Power Macs at its Worldwide Developers Conference, which starts on 23 June.
A MacUser.co.uk source reports that WWDC will be the 'biggest ever' and will feature significant hardware announcements, while according to eWeek, Apple 'is nearing the release of desktop systems featuring IBM's 64-bit PowerPC 970 chip'.
Apple has already confirmed that Mac OS X 10.3 - codenamed Panther - will be previewed for the first time at WWDC. Panther will be the first version of Mac OS X capable of exploiting the 64-bit capabilities of the PowerPC 970 chips.
eWeek suggests that in fact the new Power Macs - expected to be tagged as G5s - will beat OS X 10.3 to market and that in the interim a 'special' build of 10.2 - Smeagol- will be released to bridge the gap.
Adding spice to the mix, Apple lawyers recently forced one Mac rumour Web site to remove a story predicting G5s at WWDC.
What is certain is that with the imminent release of QuarkXPress for OS X and the decision by Adobe to discontinue the Classic version of Photoshop, all but one of the elements that can persuade pro Mac suers to switch wholesale to OS X are in place. The missing element is a Power Mac range powerful enough to justify the expenditure for not just the computers, but across the board software upgrades."
Actually, MacUser is mostly referring to the WWDC email Apple sent out with the tag line "Biggest Ever". So, don't read too much into MacUser's article, they are merely quoting Apple's take on panther preview and a couple other small non-hardware planned events.
Apple has been working very with some large developers of stand alone IT solutions in India (all Microsoft based developers). They have these people now developing applications on the OSX server platform.
A lot of these developers seem to like the Price/performance of the Xserve and the fact that it costs very little to actually deploy a Xserve based solution due to the licensing costs.
It is from one of these sources that I heard that there are going to be some pretty big announcements during the WWDC. Oracle, Sybase (I think) would announce OSX Server based products. Then there is another company (forget the name) that is to introduce the first SAP product to run on OSX server.
These are new segments for Apple and they have been working hard in getting credibility with these developers. I guess a lot of the Enterprise IT slots would be filled with some of these announcements.
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Originally posted by curiousuburb
and any improvement on the MPX bus might also be noticable encoding video or hefty renders
And games! Woohoo!
"However, Q37 will ship before Apple rolls out a 64-bit version of Panther in September. Instead, the new Power Macs will ship with a special Jaguar build train code-named Smeagol. Smeagol will run on the new chip but won't take advantage of many of its key features, limiting initial performance gains."
I'm confused, even after the many interesting and informative posts on this forum, as to what performance gains 64-bit processing may bring to OSX. My understanding is that the 64-bit aspect of the chip isn't were we are going to find the greatest performance gains. Is there an aspect of 64-bit computing that Apple can take advantage of in OSX?
1991 Microsoft beats pirates
A jury awarded $1.2 million to Microsoft and Everex Systems in a lawsuit involving pirated copies of Microsoft software. The defendants were accused of selling counterfeit copies of a Microsoft computer program to Everex. Pirated software became an international problem for software companies in the 1990s, costing U.S. software companies an estimated $11.4 million in revenue in 1997.
Originally posted by NETROMac
D@mn, I've only been away for two days and now even the AI frontpage is updated, and the rest of the rumor web is flooding with rumors of powermacs and powerbooks
Don't dare sleep. Better: Don't even blink at all.
Keep hitting that reload button.
Work is for sizzies...
The inference that some posters have made here is that some hypothetical bakeoff will be disadvantaged because it won't run Panther.
The more likely reality is that any bakeoff will have been rehearsed/tested to destruction by the keynote, based on a Panther platform. The bakeoff may not even be purely Photoshop; in view of Adobe's recent 'disloyalty', I wouldn't be surprised if the bakeoff compares Premiere on a P4 to FCP4 on the best 970.
The opportunity for ADC members to 'acquire' 970-based hardware requires a 'stable' operating system based on Jaguar, facilitating backwards compatibility for code developed under 970, but ultimately purchased by retail Jaguar users, however the "killer argument" is developing code that can operate in a Panther environment under both G4 and 970 environments.
If you're a commercial user, you can buy a "970" pre-loaded with Smeagol just like a developer, however you won't have access to Panther until the autumn. However, it probably won't matter to you financially because Apple will probably give you a copy of Panther on production of a coupon anyway.
As for the press, fsck most of them!
The tame "Mac Press" can be largely relied on to play by the rules, and Apple should help the likes of MacWorld, MacCentral and MacUser with their benchmarks based on a Panther future!
As for the rest, they can wait until we are shipping a complete solution in the retail world.
That's a simple solution, Apple is in control of who gets evaluation units. If ZDNet or anyone else wants to lash out a couple of grand to buy a unit just to write knocking copy, that's their perogative - the truth will out by September and the guilty parties will look fairly stupid wasting column inches, whilst simultaneously annoying Apple for any future information.
I'm sitting here pricking my thumbs, because something wicked this way comes (and I also have insulin-resistant diabetes).
"G5 could be two weeks away
Speculation is mounting that Apple could unveil new Power Macs at its Worldwide Developers Conference, which starts on 23 June.
A MacUser.co.uk source reports that WWDC will be the 'biggest ever' and will feature significant hardware announcements, while according to eWeek, Apple 'is nearing the release of desktop systems featuring IBM's 64-bit PowerPC 970 chip'.
Apple has already confirmed that Mac OS X 10.3 - codenamed Panther - will be previewed for the first time at WWDC. Panther will be the first version of Mac OS X capable of exploiting the 64-bit capabilities of the PowerPC 970 chips.
eWeek suggests that in fact the new Power Macs - expected to be tagged as G5s - will beat OS X 10.3 to market and that in the interim a 'special' build of 10.2 - Smeagol- will be released to bridge the gap.
Adding spice to the mix, Apple lawyers recently forced one Mac rumour Web site to remove a story predicting G5s at WWDC.
What is certain is that with the imminent release of QuarkXPress for OS X and the decision by Adobe to discontinue the Classic version of Photoshop, all but one of the elements that can persuade pro Mac suers to switch wholesale to OS X are in place. The missing element is a Power Mac range powerful enough to justify the expenditure for not just the computers, but across the board software upgrades."
Macworld Uk
First, you show off how the G5 beats the pants off of 'x'
Everyone runs out to buy one.
Couple months later, you show how Panther speeds everything up and beats the pants of of 'x' even faster
Everyone runs out to buy a copy.
(even though most of the speed is going to be gained with G5 machines)
It's basically 'gating' the speed without gating the hardware.
It might work out pretty conveniently for Apple - and provide a second push for PowerMac sales after the initial giant rush.
Plus, early buyers won't lose out if we get a coupon for free Panther.
(we just better be able to redeem the things at Apple stores instead of mail order!)
Originally posted by - J B 7 2 -
I wonder what Carmack will say about the 970. Hrrmmmm...
I hereby predict that a dual 1.8 GHz G5 Powermac will run Doom 3 faster than the fastest Wintel money can buy.
Please, PLEASE let there be dual G5 Powermacs announced. It's fine if they don't ship at first, but for fsck's sake announce them! Going all single CPU would be an extremely bad idea IMO, and it would generate too much ill will and resentment towards Apple after all the years of pushing dualies.
Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg
I hereby predict that a dual 1.8 GHz G5 Powermac will run Doom 3 faster than the fastest Wintel money can buy... Please, PLEASE let there be dual G5 Powermacs announced...
And how about the PSbench that the Arse BF crowd is so enamored of? 'Velocity Engines' unleashed!
I agree that duals must follow rapidly ~ across the board! Put the single 970's in the iMac and use duals to differentiate the pro line. The consumer line badly needs pumping up too.
Aphelion ...
g
Originally posted by thegelding
new drunken nerd story at the AI front page...boy kasper is busy...
g
Boy did I lose alot of faith in AI with that one...piffle.
1922 Transatlantic radio fax of a photograph
The first photograph to be sent across the Atlantic via radio fax was a photo of Pope Pius XI, sent from Rome to Maine. The 7-by-9.5-inch photo took forty minutes to transmit and was published in the New York World the same day it was sent.
Originally posted by Kurt
12 Days Left to WWDC
No Picture?
Originally posted by job
And games! Woohoo!
No no...
[Homer-Voice]
Woooohoooooooo!!!!
[/Homer-Voice]
Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
WWDC to be "biggest ever".
"G5 could be two weeks away
Speculation is mounting that Apple could unveil new Power Macs at its Worldwide Developers Conference, which starts on 23 June.
A MacUser.co.uk source reports that WWDC will be the 'biggest ever' and will feature significant hardware announcements, while according to eWeek, Apple 'is nearing the release of desktop systems featuring IBM's 64-bit PowerPC 970 chip'.
Apple has already confirmed that Mac OS X 10.3 - codenamed Panther - will be previewed for the first time at WWDC. Panther will be the first version of Mac OS X capable of exploiting the 64-bit capabilities of the PowerPC 970 chips.
eWeek suggests that in fact the new Power Macs - expected to be tagged as G5s - will beat OS X 10.3 to market and that in the interim a 'special' build of 10.2 - Smeagol- will be released to bridge the gap.
Adding spice to the mix, Apple lawyers recently forced one Mac rumour Web site to remove a story predicting G5s at WWDC.
What is certain is that with the imminent release of QuarkXPress for OS X and the decision by Adobe to discontinue the Classic version of Photoshop, all but one of the elements that can persuade pro Mac suers to switch wholesale to OS X are in place. The missing element is a Power Mac range powerful enough to justify the expenditure for not just the computers, but across the board software upgrades."
Macworld Uk
Actually, MacUser is mostly referring to the WWDC email Apple sent out with the tag line "Biggest Ever". So, don't read too much into MacUser's article, they are merely quoting Apple's take on panther preview and a couple other small non-hardware planned events.
A lot of these developers seem to like the Price/performance of the Xserve and the fact that it costs very little to actually deploy a Xserve based solution due to the licensing costs.
It is from one of these sources that I heard that there are going to be some pretty big announcements during the WWDC. Oracle, Sybase (I think) would announce OSX Server based products. Then there is another company (forget the name) that is to introduce the first SAP product to run on OSX server.
These are new segments for Apple and they have been working hard in getting credibility with these developers. I guess a lot of the Enterprise IT slots would be filled with some of these announcements.
It's only 10 days or so.....
Sybase