I've been beta testing "Shake" on an apple G5 yep you heard it !
A G5 code named "quad" go on PC user guess what that means....
FOUR G5 processors working together !
Apple acquired "shake" from nothing real -- written for Unix with the ability to utilise up to 8 processors. Apple realised a while back that what they have done to the desktop video market with FCP they could do to the high end.
So when "shake" arrives later this year -- a G5 "quad" will be available to run it on....
So the set up we've been playing with ::
G5 "quad" and a 4 x-serve render farm...
It is fast, fast, faster than any PC I've seen -- and we use SGI !
As for the tech spec -- I've already broken a few lines of our contract.... So I'll leave it at that.... You'll see it soon enough.
Who am I to know this ?
I work as a flame artist for a major post house.
I've run PC's Mac's and SGI and this new G5/X-serve combo is really impressive.
So there ya have it.... Apple did it with FCP they're gonna do it with "shake" -- and no -- PC users can't have any of it.....
You had a choice -- soon you'll have live with it....
[quote]Originally posted by speechgod:
<strong>Something is up at Cupertino.
There has been announcement after announcement outside of a MW recently. We all know how Apple hates to have the spotlight of one product deduct another. It's obvious that Jobs is clearing the MWNY slate clean for a big announcement.
G5, digital hub device?
What do you thing is going on? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
It really would be cool if Apple stopped relying on dual-processor configs to shrink the performance gap with single-proc Wintel machines.
It just isn't ideal. For the price of an Apple computer, one shouldn't have to settle for less than ideal in any area. Apple's market share is going anywhere until it can change that.
I think it would be really cool if you had devices that talked via BlueTooth w/o a computer. For instance, you take the hard disk out of the iPod. Then yeah, for just sound you have to have both on you. But if they came out w/ a better disk, you wouldn't have to get a whole new iPod. And plus, you wouldn't just necessarily use said hard disk for the iPod. A camera could use it, two people could listen to the same songs at the same time from one hard disk unit. And you'd never really have to hook different things up... unless you needed more juice, you'd just take the hard disk near your computer and iTunes would update it. And load any pictures/video, or whatever else.
And since the internet is slowly moving to wireless (sorry I forget the numbers for the tech. that AirPort/BlueTooth/WiFi use), having more "nodes" would really be a good thing anyway until security becomes an issue.
I mean, eventually everything will became run by the internet anyway... soon you'll just put your DVD player near your TV and your TV will just pick up the signal. THen you put your stereo receiver near your TV, and your TV transfers the audio to it (or directly from the DVD) and uses that instead of built-in speakers. And a lot of speakers now are already wireless.
That, or everything could have a hard disk but when you put your iPod near say your camera, you could use the iPod hard disk for either extra storage space or just to transfer the data--that actually makes a bit more sense.
Keep in mind that I know nothing about Apple's internals nor am I trying to predict Apple's immediate future, I'm just saying what would be cool yet still physically possible.
[quote] Apple acquired "shake" from nothing real -- written for Unix with the ability to utilise up to 8 processors. Apple realised a while back that what they have done to the desktop video market with FCP they could do to the high end. <hr></blockquote>
Perhaps I'm wrong, but doesn't Mac OS X already have support for up to 8 processors via Mach? In other words, doesn't that mean that that entire post is pure b.s.?
[quote] Apple acquired "shake" from nothing real -- written for Unix with the ability to utilise up to 8 processors. <hr></blockquote>
[quote]Originally posted by rightnow 92:
<strong>Perhaps I'm wrong, but doesn't Mac OS X already have support for up to 8 processors via Mach? In other words, doesn't that mean that that entire post is pure b.s.?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think the original point was that shake could work with up to 8 processors as an App (hence amenable to running on such a Mac,if one ever came to be), not that Shake was somehow enabling OS X to run on 8 processors.
<strong>I think the time is right since the Book E cores have been shipping for other clients and therefore why wouldn't we be switching to Book E since that was always the intent.</strong><hr></blockquote>
From the Motorola press release on the subject of the 8540:
"Samples of the MPC8540 are expected to be available in the second half of 2002"
I don't know anything about the G5 that Apple will use, but the evidence you provided is (if anything) counter to a possible MWNY introduction. Apple needs a great deal more than sampling in the second half of '02 in order to ship a machine.
Also, the 8540's core is not very impressive -- not any better (or even as good as) than the 7455. This isn't to say that a high end version of the eCORE couldn't be built, but we have no evidence pointing to it... and Motorola has said that the 8450 "is the first eCORE processor" which is either a lie or an eCORE G5 won't ship for MWNY.
Edit: I should have said "not very impressive from a performance point of view". In other ways it is a very impressive embedded processor, but it can't stand up to the desktop processors.
<strong>Before MacExpo Paris was cancelled last year did not Apple actually announce that no new Hardware products should be expected?
So if Apple fails to make this announcement again, can we assume that we SHOULD expect new products?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, I don't know... MacWorld is pretty important, they probably don't want it to get cancelled like Expo Paris because nobody was interested now that there were no new products.
No-no, Paris was cancelled because of safety concerns.
I agree, if Stevie had a new dual G5 to demo/announce at any point immediately post 9-11, he'd have chartered F-22 escorts and Isreali security for the event, terrorists be damned.
So there ya have it.... Apple did it with FCP they're gonna do it with "shake" -- and no -- PC users can't have any of it.....
You had a choice -- soon you'll have live with it....
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'd like to believe in a "Quad G5" as much as anyone. Sadly, this post just sounds more like a Mac user making up fairy tales so that his PC loving friends will stop teasing his choice of platforms due to performance issues.
This post seemed more "emotional" than "factual". Finally, why would the poster describe his profession in such detail. How many "flame artists" (or whatever he called himself) could there possibly be, that would also happen to have a preproduction "Quad G5" system?
On the other hand, this is the market Apple is going after. Likewise, it does seem plausible that Apple might work with some of these production houses in setting up a system like this for evaluation. Hmmm...
Still, I'm not holding my breath on the G5 issue. Further, I'm keeping my expectations low for the new G4s this summer.
Still, I'm not holding my breath on the G5 issue. Further, I'm keeping my expectations low for the new G4s this summer.
Steve</strong><hr></blockquote>
screw that, you should demand more as a consumer. it's the only way apple will pay a little more attention to customer satisfaction and less on squeezing every little penny out for profit.
maybe your lowering of expectations are really the unconscious feelings that there is no chance of Macs ever again being acceptable as far as price/performance goes.
Hey, the "quad" G5 is actually very interesting if you think about it. "quad" could refer to a dual dual-core chip, not four separate processors. The best indicator that GOOD hardware is coming is that an analyst in January said that Apple's hardware product releases slated for the second half of 2002 looked very impressive. *not 2003*
Maybe the NY update will be impressive with delayed shipping dates...
This post seemed more "emotional" than "factual". Finally, why would the poster describe his profession in such detail. How many "flame artists" (or whatever he called himself) could there possibly be, that would also happen to have a preproduction "Quad G5" system?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
How many of those artists with a quad G5 system would have the IP 213.78.159.XXX?
213.78.159 is Class C, that Means it is probably owned by a local ISP. Apple could easily do the research to narrow down the number of possible leaks...
How many of those artists with a quad G5 system would have the IP 213.78.159.XXX?
213.78.159 is Class C, that Means it is probably owned by a local ISP. Apple could easily do the research to narrow down the number of possible leaks...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Looks like an AT&T customer (possibly with cable modem) in the St. Louis area. Could be wrong, but that's were the general traceroute goes.
Honestly, I think it's as bogus as the guy who was hiding in the closet in the boardroom to look at G5. Remember the diagrams!
I would not expect an XServe-like mobo in the new towers. Why build a mobo to be used once or twice. I think Apple's going to stick with this mobo until the G5 comes out. Now that's when the fun start!
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Subject:Â*Re: AE & MACvs AthXT-speed & pol
Â*Author:Â*Â*AnonymousÂ*( 213.78.159.--- )
Â*Date:Â*Â*Â*Â*06-05-02 06:20
OK OK time out....
PC vs MAC -- well I've seen the future...
I've been beta testing "Shake" on an apple G5 yep you heard it !
A G5 code named "quad" go on PC user guess what that means....
FOUR G5 processors working together !
Apple acquired "shake" from nothing real -- written for Unix with the ability to utilise up to 8 processors. Apple realised a while back that what they have done to the desktop video market with FCP they could do to the high end.
So when "shake" arrives later this year -- a G5 "quad" will be available to run it on....
So the set up we've been playing with ::
G5 "quad" and a 4 x-serve render farm...
It is fast, fast, faster than any PC I've seen -- and we use SGI !
As for the tech spec -- I've already broken a few lines of our contract.... So I'll leave it at that.... You'll see it soon enough.
Who am I to know this ?
I work as a flame artist for a major post house.
I've run PC's Mac's and SGI and this new G5/X-serve combo is really impressive.
So there ya have it.... Apple did it with FCP they're gonna do it with "shake" -- and no -- PC users can't have any of it.....
You had a choice -- soon you'll have live with it....
[quote]Originally posted by speechgod:
<strong>Something is up at Cupertino.
There has been announcement after announcement outside of a MW recently. We all know how Apple hates to have the spotlight of one product deduct another. It's obvious that Jobs is clearing the MWNY slate clean for a big announcement.
G5, digital hub device?
What do you thing is going on? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
[ 06-01-2002: Message edited by: speechgod ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
It just isn't ideal. For the price of an Apple computer, one shouldn't have to settle for less than ideal in any area. Apple's market share is going anywhere until it can change that.
Where are you getting this from? Is the 8540 shipping yet? When was that announced?
"This is an interesting post I found:"<hr></blockquote>
Wo ist das post?
And since the internet is slowly moving to wireless (sorry I forget the numbers for the tech. that AirPort/BlueTooth/WiFi use), having more "nodes" would really be a good thing anyway until security becomes an issue.
I mean, eventually everything will became run by the internet anyway... soon you'll just put your DVD player near your TV and your TV will just pick up the signal. THen you put your stereo receiver near your TV, and your TV transfers the audio to it (or directly from the DVD) and uses that instead of built-in speakers. And a lot of speakers now are already wireless.
That, or everything could have a hard disk but when you put your iPod near say your camera, you could use the iPod hard disk for either extra storage space or just to transfer the data--that actually makes a bit more sense.
Keep in mind that I know nothing about Apple's internals nor am I trying to predict Apple's immediate future, I'm just saying what would be cool yet still physically possible.
[quote] Apple acquired "shake" from nothing real -- written for Unix with the ability to utilise up to 8 processors. Apple realised a while back that what they have done to the desktop video market with FCP they could do to the high end. <hr></blockquote>
Perhaps I'm wrong, but doesn't Mac OS X already have support for up to 8 processors via Mach? In other words, doesn't that mean that that entire post is pure b.s.?
[quote]Originally posted by rightnow 92:
<strong>Perhaps I'm wrong, but doesn't Mac OS X already have support for up to 8 processors via Mach? In other words, doesn't that mean that that entire post is pure b.s.?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think the original point was that shake could work with up to 8 processors as an App (hence amenable to running on such a Mac,if one ever came to be), not that Shake was somehow enabling OS X to run on 8 processors.
<strong>I think the time is right since the Book E cores have been shipping for other clients and therefore why wouldn't we be switching to Book E since that was always the intent.</strong><hr></blockquote>
From the Motorola press release on the subject of the 8540:
"Samples of the MPC8540 are expected to be available in the second half of 2002"
<a href="http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,1958,568_322_23,00.html"; target="_blank">8540 Press Release.</a>
I don't know anything about the G5 that Apple will use, but the evidence you provided is (if anything) counter to a possible MWNY introduction. Apple needs a great deal more than sampling in the second half of '02 in order to ship a machine.
Also, the 8540's core is not very impressive -- not any better (or even as good as) than the 7455. This isn't to say that a high end version of the eCORE couldn't be built, but we have no evidence pointing to it... and Motorola has said that the 8450 "is the first eCORE processor" which is either a lie or an eCORE G5 won't ship for MWNY.
Edit: I should have said "not very impressive from a performance point of view". In other ways it is a very impressive embedded processor, but it can't stand up to the desktop processors.
[ 06-06-2002: Message edited by: Programmer ]</p>
Many apologies!!
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So if Apple fails to make this announcement again, can we assume that we SHOULD expect new products?
<strong>Before MacExpo Paris was cancelled last year did not Apple actually announce that no new Hardware products should be expected?
So if Apple fails to make this announcement again, can we assume that we SHOULD expect new products?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, I don't know... MacWorld is pretty important, they probably don't want it to get cancelled like Expo Paris because nobody was interested now that there were no new products.
I agree, if Stevie had a new dual G5 to demo/announce at any point immediately post 9-11, he'd have chartered F-22 escorts and Isreali security for the event, terrorists be damned.
Nice post, Tink.
I believe!
Lemon Bon Bon
So the set up we've been playing with ::
G5 "quad" and a 4 x-serve render farm...
It is fast, fast, faster than any PC I've seen -- and we use SGI !"
As Daffy once said, "Der-rool, der-roool."
Lemon Bon Bon
Whatever do you mean?
Lemon Bon Bon
:cool:
<strong>This is an interesting post I found:
<snip>
So there ya have it.... Apple did it with FCP they're gonna do it with "shake" -- and no -- PC users can't have any of it.....
You had a choice -- soon you'll have live with it....
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'd like to believe in a "Quad G5" as much as anyone. Sadly, this post just sounds more like a Mac user making up fairy tales so that his PC loving friends will stop teasing his choice of platforms due to performance issues.
This post seemed more "emotional" than "factual". Finally, why would the poster describe his profession in such detail. How many "flame artists" (or whatever he called himself) could there possibly be, that would also happen to have a preproduction "Quad G5" system?
On the other hand, this is the market Apple is going after. Likewise, it does seem plausible that Apple might work with some of these production houses in setting up a system like this for evaluation. Hmmm...
Still, I'm not holding my breath on the G5 issue. Further, I'm keeping my expectations low for the new G4s this summer.
Steve
<strong>
Still, I'm not holding my breath on the G5 issue. Further, I'm keeping my expectations low for the new G4s this summer.
Steve</strong><hr></blockquote>
screw that, you should demand more as a consumer. it's the only way apple will pay a little more attention to customer satisfaction and less on squeezing every little penny out for profit.
maybe your lowering of expectations are really the unconscious feelings that there is no chance of Macs ever again being acceptable as far as price/performance goes.
the meak shall inherit nothing.
Maybe the NY update will be impressive with delayed shipping dates...
I want to believe.
<strong>
This post seemed more "emotional" than "factual". Finally, why would the poster describe his profession in such detail. How many "flame artists" (or whatever he called himself) could there possibly be, that would also happen to have a preproduction "Quad G5" system?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
How many of those artists with a quad G5 system would have the IP 213.78.159.XXX?
213.78.159 is Class C, that Means it is probably owned by a local ISP. Apple could easily do the research to narrow down the number of possible leaks...
<strong>
How many of those artists with a quad G5 system would have the IP 213.78.159.XXX?
213.78.159 is Class C, that Means it is probably owned by a local ISP. Apple could easily do the research to narrow down the number of possible leaks...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Looks like an AT&T customer (possibly with cable modem) in the St. Louis area. Could be wrong, but that's were the general traceroute goes.
Honestly, I think it's as bogus as the guy who was hiding in the closet in the boardroom to look at G5. Remember the diagrams!
I would not expect an XServe-like mobo in the new towers. Why build a mobo to be used once or twice. I think Apple's going to stick with this mobo until the G5 comes out. Now that's when the fun start!