Quantum computing is the true next leap in terms of technology.
I think MIT or CMU have prototypes of a Quantum computer running in their labs. Reportedly, the machine has enough bandwidth to download the ENTIRE Internet in less than a minute.
Don't start flaming me about this, of course it's a LONG way off...if ever.
YES, some of the staff at Xerox played around with the idea in their spare time. They developed a prototype as part of their development, but shit-canned the project as it was deemed "a toy".
Whereas our friend Mr. Jobs saw it, loved it, and nurtured it. He BOUGHT whatever rights were needed, modified it closer to his liking and LISA was born.
Without Apple and Steve Jobs, we would have probably been still typing away in MS-DOS till someone "rediscovered" the idea of the GUI.
Please do us a favour (and yourselves) and have a good read up on it. Most articles and books that cover this in-depth are very interesting and a great read. Even the part on how the Devil (Gates) weaseled his way in to have a "look" at Steves new toy, promising not to copy it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I guess I am a moron... I was using the Xerox GUI in 1977 and didn't think to create a PC computer using it.
The point is, Apple revolutionized the world with the GUI but did not invent it. To be fair Bill Gates didn't invent the Disk Operating System either. They both "BORROWED" an idea from someone else. Yeah, it was all done legally. But by no means can Apple or M$ be considered the creators of the PC technologies, they only had the insight to repackaged it.
Oh and I was one of the first Morons to buy the thing too. A Macintosh 128K with single sided floppy drive still sits in my basement along with its wide carriage Dot Matrix printer.
I suggest you watch the TV show called "Connections". The reality is: everything ever invented was based on something someone else developed earlier and was then modified to fit current needs.
<strong>I suggest you watch the TV show called "Connections". The reality is: everything ever invented was based on something someone else developed earlier and was then modified to fit current needs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Spot on! I love James Burke - "The Day The Universe Changed" is the best romp through Western history that I've ever seen.
As Newton (supposedly) said, "If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants." In other words, nothing is ever invented out of the clear blue sky. The ancient Greeks didn't invent nuclear power, but not because they weren't smart enough - the underlying science and technology required to make it possible hadn't been invented yet.
On topic (more or less), Jobs and co.'s genius was not in "inventing" the GUI but recognizing its possibilities and seeing a new way to use it. Their "invention" was in applying the Xerox GUI to a personal computer and tying it in with mouse-based navigation.
On the other hand, Gates' "genius" has always been in defending his company against all competitors. He has an excellent sense for spotting superior technology while it is still nascent, and incorporating that technology into his own products before the small competitors catch on. With regards to the Mac, he recognized that Apple had a winner in the Mac GUI and got some pale semblance of it to market before the general public realized how good the Mac was (and how awful DOS was in comparison). Thus he was able to protect MS from Apple's superior technology (and MS users from actually enjoying using their computers! ).
<strong>Quantum computing is the true next leap in terms of technology.
I think MIT or CMU have prototypes of a Quantum computer running in their labs. Reportedly, the machine has enough bandwidth to download the ENTIRE Internet in less than a minute.
Don't start flaming me about this, of course it's a LONG way off...if ever.
Nice to know they're working on it though. </strong><hr></blockquote>
My friend continually tells me this. I think he's right. But as far as GUI goes, augmented reality is still a winner.
<strong>I guess I am a moron... I was using the Xerox GUI in 1977 and didn't think to create a PC computer using it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
thats the point.
xerox parc wuz full of genius'.
making great stuff, just for the fun of it.
but nobody had a clue what to do with it.
stevie paul saw that stuff and buit a real gui for a real os out of it.
at a time nobody knew what to do with it.
[quote]The point is, Apple revolutionized the world with the GUI but did not invent it.<hr></blockquote>
apple "only" used the basic idea out of it.
if apple didn't buy it from the parc somebody would have (ten years later).
stevie can't do anything. (without woz there wouldn't be no apple)
stevie is only good at one thing: seeing the future before the others do.
[quote]To be fair Bill Gates didn't invent the Disk Operating System either. They both "BORROWED" an idea from someone else. Yeah, it was all done legally. But by no means can Apple or M$ be considered the creators of the PC technologies, they only had the insight to repackaged it.<hr></blockquote>
creators of the pc technology? no.
starters of the pc revolution? yes.
xerox didn't know what to do with all that great technologies (and they invented a hole lot of it).
they lacked a stevie.
[quote]Oh and I was one of the first Morons to buy the thing too. A Macintosh 128K with single sided floppy drive still sits in my basement along with its wide carriage Dot Matrix printer. <hr></blockquote>
well i started off with computers around 1980.
but i got to the mac about ten years later.
don't underestimate the influence of apple on the pc-industrie.
i did quite a study on that kind of stuff.
the list of technologies that apple used first is BIG.
(stevie still can't hold a screwdriver - but thats ok)
[quote]Meanwhile, I still want to see a personal information server, which you can access remotely using any web browser, share files, calendaring, etc.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>
Not going to happen. Unless someone else popularizes it to the point that Apple can't afford not to.
Anything Apple makes with flexible input(keyboard, mouse, tablet, etc.), a display of some sort, and storage, excepting those things that are obviously "appliances" like the iPod, will be a complete computer.
And even with the iPod, everything you need for it to be fully functional is always there.
A computer that has to use the internet to connect to a central database somewhere to get access to your data is bad PR just waiting to happen. No, if people buy a complete computer, they'll want it to be functional anytime, and anywhere. They don't want to be dependent on an internet connection(not everyone has broadband!) just to play a simple game or edit a file.
<strong>The Mac brought the GUI to the consumer, what can Apple do to top that?
How about a computer with voice control built in that can power on with a word, and use voice commands to select menu items or use phrases to perform commands. Have a limited AI built in to recognize words. technology for this may exist already but hasn't be used in this way.</strong><hr></blockquote>
One issue I have with this is in, for example, the office setting: who would want to work around a bunch of people yacking at their computer? Work/non-work environments may have to change to accommodate/alleviate the noise pollution.
Not going to happen. Unless someone else popularizes it to the point that Apple can't afford not to.
Anything Apple makes with flexible input(keyboard, mouse, tablet, etc.), a display of some sort, and storage, excepting those things that are obviously "appliances" like the iPod, will be a complete computer.
And even with the iPod, everything you need for it to be fully functional is always there.
A computer that has to use the internet to connect to a central database somewhere to get access to your data is bad PR just waiting to happen. No, if people buy a complete computer, they'll want it to be functional anytime, and anywhere. They don't want to be dependent on an internet connection(not everyone has broadband!) just to play a simple game or edit a file.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why is Apple spending so much time and money to get 1394b Layered on 802.11e then?
Airports, Hotels, and currently larger businesses are using wireless technology. There are Apartments and Univerities that currently provide wired Web access that are being wired with transceivers for wireless access.
Highspeed wireless access is sooner than you think!!!
The current user interfaces will be around for many many years. However, we will start to rely more and more on obtaining Apps and Data from remote sites.
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I think MIT or CMU have prototypes of a Quantum computer running in their labs. Reportedly, the machine has enough bandwidth to download the ENTIRE Internet in less than a minute.
Don't start flaming me about this, of course it's a LONG way off...if ever.
Nice to know they're working on it though.
<strong>dmgeist & MrBillData,
are you both morons?
Just curious.
YES, some of the staff at Xerox played around with the idea in their spare time. They developed a prototype as part of their development, but shit-canned the project as it was deemed "a toy".
Whereas our friend Mr. Jobs saw it, loved it, and nurtured it. He BOUGHT whatever rights were needed, modified it closer to his liking and LISA was born.
Without Apple and Steve Jobs, we would have probably been still typing away in MS-DOS till someone "rediscovered" the idea of the GUI.
Please do us a favour (and yourselves) and have a good read up on it. Most articles and books that cover this in-depth are very interesting and a great read. Even the part on how the Devil (Gates) weaseled his way in to have a "look" at Steves new toy, promising not to copy it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I guess I am a moron... I was using the Xerox GUI in 1977 and didn't think to create a PC computer using it.
The point is, Apple revolutionized the world with the GUI but did not invent it. To be fair Bill Gates didn't invent the Disk Operating System either. They both "BORROWED" an idea from someone else. Yeah, it was all done legally. But by no means can Apple or M$ be considered the creators of the PC technologies, they only had the insight to repackaged it.
Oh and I was one of the first Morons to buy the thing too. A Macintosh 128K with single sided floppy drive still sits in my basement along with its wide carriage Dot Matrix printer.
1394b Layered on 802.11 is the future
<strong>I suggest you watch the TV show called "Connections". The reality is: everything ever invented was based on something someone else developed earlier and was then modified to fit current needs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Spot on! I love James Burke - "The Day The Universe Changed" is the best romp through Western history that I've ever seen.
As Newton (supposedly) said, "If I have seen farther than other men, it is because I have stood on the shoulders of giants." In other words, nothing is ever invented out of the clear blue sky. The ancient Greeks didn't invent nuclear power, but not because they weren't smart enough - the underlying science and technology required to make it possible hadn't been invented yet.
On topic (more or less), Jobs and co.'s genius was not in "inventing" the GUI but recognizing its possibilities and seeing a new way to use it. Their "invention" was in applying the Xerox GUI to a personal computer and tying it in with mouse-based navigation.
On the other hand, Gates' "genius" has always been in defending his company against all competitors. He has an excellent sense for spotting superior technology while it is still nascent, and incorporating that technology into his own products before the small competitors catch on. With regards to the Mac, he recognized that Apple had a winner in the Mac GUI and got some pale semblance of it to market before the general public realized how good the Mac was (and how awful DOS was in comparison). Thus he was able to protect MS from Apple's superior technology (and MS users from actually enjoying using their computers!
<strong>Quantum computing is the true next leap in terms of technology.
I think MIT or CMU have prototypes of a Quantum computer running in their labs. Reportedly, the machine has enough bandwidth to download the ENTIRE Internet in less than a minute.
Don't start flaming me about this, of course it's a LONG way off...if ever.
Nice to know they're working on it though.
My friend continually tells me this. I think he's right. But as far as GUI goes, augmented reality is still a winner.
1394b Layered on 802.11e is a start.
<strong>I guess I am a moron... I was using the Xerox GUI in 1977 and didn't think to create a PC computer using it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
thats the point.
xerox parc wuz full of genius'.
making great stuff, just for the fun of it.
but nobody had a clue what to do with it.
stevie paul saw that stuff and buit a real gui for a real os out of it.
at a time nobody knew what to do with it.
[quote]The point is, Apple revolutionized the world with the GUI but did not invent it.<hr></blockquote>
apple "only" used the basic idea out of it.
if apple didn't buy it from the parc somebody would have (ten years later).
stevie can't do anything. (without woz there wouldn't be no apple)
stevie is only good at one thing: seeing the future before the others do.
[quote]To be fair Bill Gates didn't invent the Disk Operating System either. They both "BORROWED" an idea from someone else. Yeah, it was all done legally. But by no means can Apple or M$ be considered the creators of the PC technologies, they only had the insight to repackaged it.<hr></blockquote>
creators of the pc technology? no.
starters of the pc revolution? yes.
xerox didn't know what to do with all that great technologies (and they invented a hole lot of it).
they lacked a stevie.
[quote]Oh and I was one of the first Morons to buy the thing too. A Macintosh 128K with single sided floppy drive still sits in my basement along with its wide carriage Dot Matrix printer.
well i started off with computers around 1980.
but i got to the mac about ten years later.
don't underestimate the influence of apple on the pc-industrie.
i did quite a study on that kind of stuff.
the list of technologies that apple used first is BIG.
(stevie still can't hold a screwdriver - but thats ok)
Not going to happen. Unless someone else popularizes it to the point that Apple can't afford not to.
Anything Apple makes with flexible input(keyboard, mouse, tablet, etc.), a display of some sort, and storage, excepting those things that are obviously "appliances" like the iPod, will be a complete computer.
And even with the iPod, everything you need for it to be fully functional is always there.
A computer that has to use the internet to connect to a central database somewhere to get access to your data is bad PR just waiting to happen. No, if people buy a complete computer, they'll want it to be functional anytime, and anywhere. They don't want to be dependent on an internet connection(not everyone has broadband!) just to play a simple game or edit a file.
<strong>The Mac brought the GUI to the consumer, what can Apple do to top that?
How about a computer with voice control built in that can power on with a word, and use voice commands to select menu items or use phrases to perform commands. Have a limited AI built in to recognize words. technology for this may exist already but hasn't be used in this way.</strong><hr></blockquote>
One issue I have with this is in, for example, the office setting: who would want to work around a bunch of people yacking at their computer? Work/non-work environments may have to change to accommodate/alleviate the noise pollution.
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Not going to happen. Unless someone else popularizes it to the point that Apple can't afford not to.
Anything Apple makes with flexible input(keyboard, mouse, tablet, etc.), a display of some sort, and storage, excepting those things that are obviously "appliances" like the iPod, will be a complete computer.
And even with the iPod, everything you need for it to be fully functional is always there.
A computer that has to use the internet to connect to a central database somewhere to get access to your data is bad PR just waiting to happen. No, if people buy a complete computer, they'll want it to be functional anytime, and anywhere. They don't want to be dependent on an internet connection(not everyone has broadband!) just to play a simple game or edit a file.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Why is Apple spending so much time and money to get 1394b Layered on 802.11e then?
Airports, Hotels, and currently larger businesses are using wireless technology. There are Apartments and Univerities that currently provide wired Web access that are being wired with transceivers for wireless access.
Highspeed wireless access is sooner than you think!!!
The current user interfaces will be around for many many years. However, we will start to rely more and more on obtaining Apps and Data from remote sites.
Kenny must die... to live
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