g5 powerbooks confirmed ;)
Fact 1: iMacs updated to 1.25GHz this week
Fact 2: Steve speaking at Paris Macworld Expo the week after next
Fact 3: He isn't announcing speed bumped iMacs or 40 GB iPods
Fact 4: He already talked about Panther in his last keynote
Fact 5: He already introduced the PowerMac G5 at his last keynote
Wild leap of logic 1: The only reason he'd keynote is to announce something new, and 1.25GHz powerbooks could easily have been released this week if that's all that was happening to them.
Wild leap of faith 1: Therefore we must conclude, by process of elimination that G5 powerbooks are being announced in Paris.
QED
Alternatives:
1 - blue dalmation iBooks,
2 - iPorn - the "porn" picture organizer for the rest of us (integrated with iLife)
Fact 2: Steve speaking at Paris Macworld Expo the week after next
Fact 3: He isn't announcing speed bumped iMacs or 40 GB iPods
Fact 4: He already talked about Panther in his last keynote
Fact 5: He already introduced the PowerMac G5 at his last keynote
Wild leap of logic 1: The only reason he'd keynote is to announce something new, and 1.25GHz powerbooks could easily have been released this week if that's all that was happening to them.
Wild leap of faith 1: Therefore we must conclude, by process of elimination that G5 powerbooks are being announced in Paris.
QED
Alternatives:
1 - blue dalmation iBooks,
2 - iPorn - the "porn" picture organizer for the rest of us (integrated with iLife)
Comments
I'd hardly call this confirmation.
12"
1Ghz or 1.1 Ghz
384/512MB RAM
40GB HD
15"
Aluminium
1 or 1.1Ghz and 1.3 Ghz models
384MB on low-end, 512MB on high-end
40GB 4200RPM on low-end, 40/50GB 5400RPM on high-end
Combo/SuperDrive
17"
1.3 Ghz
512MB
40GB 5400ROM
SuperDrive
$3,150 ($2,950 BTO no SuperDrive)
Lord of the Rings characters (Smeagol/Deagol/etc) = G5-enabling system updates.
wasn't the powerbook 10.2.7 called 'Blackrider'.
just to add, i was told that new powerbooks would be 'announced' next week - which means delvery down-under will probably be xmas
Edit: by "now" I mean apple expo paris.
Originally posted by BIgFella
I'll believe it when i see it, however, just saw this on macrumors about developer lingo:
Lord of the Rings characters (Smeagol/Deagol/etc) = G5-enabling system updates.
wasn't the powerbook 10.2.7 called 'Blackrider'.
just to add, i was told that new powerbooks would be 'announced' next week - which means delvery down-under will probably be xmas
Wow! Great conclusion. I'm not a believer in the "G5 Powerbook hype" but that is some of the best evidence I've heard yet. Ties in fairly specific rumors from MacRumors and ThinkSecret.
Good detective work!
Originally posted by Moogs
***ConFIRMeD**!!11
Well, I just got my first powerbook in on Monday! And now if they're going to be shipping brand new one's the beginning of next week, would they swap mine out for a new one? I love this thing, but I would like a little more power and I really need faster wireless than the standard aircard is giving me. But holy crap man... for my first mac every... I love it!
ME
once thing to remember is that they may not be avaaible now.(or the exact day they announce.)
Apple has already stated the G5 is NOT coming to the Powerbook anytime soon and that they will be using G4s (which have a long life yet). Apple is going to be using G4's in the Powerbook until at least July of 2004.
Originally posted by Leonard
Apple has already stated the G5 is NOT coming to the Powerbook anytime soon and that they will be using G4s (which have a long life yet). Apple is going to be using G4's in the Powerbook until at least July of 2004.
I don't know which is funnier, the fact that you think the G4 has life in it or that you think Apple will wait ANOTHER 10 months to upgrade the Powerbook to a G5. As it is right now, the G5 could easily fit into a Powerbook running at 1.2 and maybe even 1.4 Ghz. The heat dissipation and power consumption are eqaul to current G4s. Apple probably won't be introducing PBG5s at Paris, but I can't imagine they will wait until July to announce them. I wouldn't be surprised if they do it at MWSF 04 with shipping units in March, even though that would piss off a lot of people who will buy next week's revision.
The G4 is a dead chip. No doubt about it. The one's in the iMacs are overclocked 7455s, and Moto can barely produce enough 7457 chips to make it a viable option or the Powerbooks. Apple will abandon the G4 at the earliest possible oppurtunity. That may mean 1.2-1.4 G5 iMacs at MWSF or later and 2.5-3.0 Ghz G5s in 9 months. IBM's 750FX G3 chip would most likely be used in iBooks and perhaps renamed G4s. Apple will not be using Moto in the future.
12" 17" get the G5 upgrade
you'd have to laugh after all the speculation
Originally posted by filmmaker2002
The G4 is a dead chip. No doubt about it.
It's as good as alive for as long as Apple uses it. The iMac update pretty much killed any hope for a G5 PowerBook update, because the two are close kin.
The one's in the iMacs are overclocked 7455s
Apple has never factory overclocked CPUs, and they never will. The 1.25GHz 7455 is fabbed on Motorola's most advanced 180nm process.
Besides, Greg Jozwiak said no G5 PowerBook any time soon, and Mr. Rubinstein indicated that Apple has a roadmap with Motorola.
I'd guess that the principle obstacle toward getting a G5 in a PowerBook is a) getting the low-voltage G5s in sufficient quantities at acceptable cost (because the lower the voltage, the higher quality the chip has to be), and getting all the motherboard tech stuffed into a thin slab. Sure, Apple's done that sort of thing before, but the last time they did it was the PowerBook G4, and remember how long that took?
Originally posted by Amorph
I'd guess that the principle obstacle toward getting a G5 in a PowerBook is a) getting the low-voltage G5s in sufficient quantities at acceptable cost (because the lower the voltage, the higher quality the chip has to be), and getting all the motherboard tech stuffed into a thin slab. Sure, Apple's done that sort of thing before, but the last time they did it was the PowerBook G4, and remember how long that took?
Apple needs to abandon the G4 at the earliest possible oppurtunity as I said before. The G4 and the G5 are totally different beasts. IBM's roadmap and commitment to the project is much stronger than Motorola's. I think it won't take nearly as long to come up with a Powerbook G5 as it did with the G4. I agree the controller chip and the other motherboard components are the true obstacle in getting a Powerbook G5, but I think IBM is the future of Apple, with the next generation G3 and the current G5, on top of the lack of development of the G4, I don't think Motorola nd Apple have a future
Originally posted by filmmaker2002
Apple needs to abandon the G4 at the earliest possible oppurtunity as I said before.
That's fine, but they can't abandon it until they can replace it, and the iMac update says another 6-9 months before a replacement appears, minimum. The PowerBook G4 offers a probable maximum time between updates. Engineering reality trumps all other concerns, because Apple can't sell what they can't build, market demand notwithstanding. Unfortunately for us, we only have the most tentative and incomplete idea of what the engineering reality is, so it's hard to make any statements with confidence.
As id software is fond of saying, it'll ship when it's done.
Originally posted by Gigawire
Hey, I just realized something! 15" and G5, they both have 5's in them which should mean something! Shouldn't it?
So then the BIG question is: what's the difference between 5?
Originally posted by filmmaker2002
Apple needs to abandon the G4 at the earliest possible oppurtunity as I said before. The G4 and the G5 are totally different beasts. IBM's roadmap and commitment to the project is much stronger than Motorola's.
I couldn't agree more, but as Amorph stated, Apple reps have recently stated that there will be no G5 Powerbook anytime soon. Apple has squashed that rumor for a reason - you don't want the expectation out there if you can't meet it. Also, as Amorph has stated, Apple cannot abandon the G4 until a replacement comes. My guess is that the replacement will come from IBM, either in the form of a 970 on 0.09 fab process or a low-powered 970.
Originally posted by Leonard
I couldn't agree more, but as Amorph stated, Apple reps have recently stated that there will be no G5 Powerbook anytime soon. Apple has squashed that rumor for a reason - you don't want the expectation out there if you can't meet it. Also, as Amorph has stated, Apple cannot abandon the G4 until a replacement comes. My guess is that the replacement will come from IBM, either in the form of a 970 on 0.09 fab process or a low-powered 970.
I wouldn't put much weight in that "soon" comment. First off it's been over 10 weeks and coming up on 3 months since that comment was made. "Soon" is a pretty wishy-washy statement and could be interpreted in lots of ways.
If I say, "I gotta go to the bathroom," then "soon" is probably closer than 10 weeks. 10 weeks could also be longer than "soon" in development cycles.
I am not promoting a G5 Powerbook, I'm just saying that the "soon" comment needs to be taken with a grain of salt - it could mean anything and neither proves nor disproves.
Originally posted by chazmox
I wouldn't put much weight in that "soon" comment. First off it's been over 10 weeks and coming up on 3 months since that comment was made. "Soon" is a pretty wishy-washy statement and could be interpreted in lots of ways.
If I say, "I gotta go to the bathroom," then "soon" is probably closer than 10 weeks. 10 weeks could also be longer than "soon" in development cycles.
In other words, "soon" depends on the usual frequency. So, by that logic, if you say "the 970 won't appear in a PowerBook any time soon," and PowerBooks are updated every 9-12 months, it probably means quite a long time in real terms. Unless Jozwiak was really sandbagging, it's pretty safe to say that he meant "not next update" at the very least, because otherwise he wouldn't have had any need to say anything.
Don't get your hopes up. It's not unsafe to say that we'll have a G5 PowerBook by this time next year, give or take, but not in a week. Not unless Jozwiak pretty much lied outright, and Apple made some amazing progress on the design.