Sure, why not? Whatever. (sort of like how a life insurance company should pay-out whenever a policy holder commits suicide- again, whatever...) This is completely aside from the topic, though...
I don't know, NaplesX brought it in because he believe Saddam supporting Palestinian suicide bombers means Saddam is a threat to the U.S.
Thy funny thing is that you don't bother to call someone on it when they go by the name, oh I dunno, "jimmac"? He doesn't help your cause in the slightest, with the remarks he chooses to inject into these discussions. By now, one would have expected either you or giant to at least told him to SDSTFU. He's like the little parrot that sits on a shoulder and caws when the "big boys" come out to do the heavy lifting.
Yes, yes ,yes. You're the guy who thinks I'm not sincere.
It's very difficult to be sincere with people who constantly ignore evidence you show them contrary to the contrary.
If I were you Randycat99 I'd be embarrased to hitch your wagon to someone like SDW's or NaplesX's star.
There are some consevatives on this board that I take seriously you know. I don't think a lot of the ones who lash out in a childish fashion because they don't have any other way to defend themselves.
Hey! Come to think of it aren't you attacking the people and not the ideas right now?
Very easy- you lost. (You should now begin to realize how pointless it is for just anybody to "call the game" as if you are some kinda self-appointed referee.)
If I were you Randycat99 I'd be embarrased to hitch your wagon to someone like SDW's or NaplesX's star.
I don't hitch with anybody. I speak my mind.
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Hey! Come to think of it aren't you attacking the people and not the ideas right now?
Yeah, I'll do it overtly when I feel it is appropriate. No pussyfooting around, beating around the bush, veiled digs, whatever...and you? You really are a bleating parrot. Deal with it. Don't like it? Stop being one. Simple.
BTW, have you followed through and sold your car, yet? Riding your bicycle to work and all? Can't let that Iraqi oil and blood touch your lifestyle, lest you be a hypocrite, right?...
Very easy- you lost. (You should now begin to realize how pointless it is for just anybody to "call the game" as if you are some kinda self-appointed referee.)
Yeah, I'll do it overtly when I feel it is appropriate. No pussyfooting around, beating around the bush, veiled digs, whatever...and you? You really are a bleating parrot. Deal with it. Don't like it? Stop being one. Simple.
BTW, have you followed through and sold your car, yet? Riding your bicycle to work and all? Can't let that Iraqi oil and blood touch your lifestyle, lest you be a hypocrite, right?...
Well aren't you feeling big for someone so young! Listen little boy I was in my jr. year of High School when you were born. And from listening to your immature posts have a much better handle on the world than you.
Off the high horse sonny.
Not all of our oil comes from Iraq. Please don't tell me you're one of those idiots that think that their oil justifies the war? It may surprise you but I'm right behind the development of electric. And I drive a Mustang. I realize that our fossil fuels are finite. That still doesn't justify the war. It's their oil.
Nice name calling. Maybe I wouldn't have to repeat myself if guys like NaplesX and yourself didn't have that giant blindspot and selective memory loss.
Very easy- you lost. (You should now begin to realize how pointless it is for just anybody to "call the game" as if you are some kinda self-appointed referee.)
When your opponent can't give a sufficient reply other than " There's no talking to you " that's pretty much it.
Nice name calling. Maybe I wouldn't have to repeat myself if guys like NaplesX and yourself didn't have that giant blindspot and selective memory loss.
Well aren't you feeling big for someone so young! Listen little boy I was in my jr. year of High School when you were born. And from listening to your immature posts have a much better handle on the world than you.
Off the high horse sonny.
The ole "I was xyz when you were born" spiel. BFD! Then you accuse someone else of being on a "high horse"? You are the prince of hypocracy! So what are you in your 40's? The style of some of your posts betray your supposed age, unfortunately. You wanna pull the "age card"? Tell ya what- ACT LIKE IT! You're battin' like a 16 yr old, lately...
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Not all of our oil comes from Iraq.
Lemme guess, you dip your finger in the nozzle before every fill-up? "mmmm, nope, this doesn't taste like Iraqi gas. Whew!" fillaway...
...or are you that gullible guy at the checkout counter, "You promise there is no gas from Iraqi oil in these pumps? Promise???"
"No, Iraqi oil here, fella. Go fill-up." [whispers "jagoff" under his breath as jimmac walks off]
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And I drive a Mustang. I realize that our fossil fuels are finite. That still doesn't justify the war. It's their oil.
REEEAL AMERRRRICAN HYPOCRITE!!! (sung to that Bud Light parody theme song)
What's it been- almost a year ago you claimed you would sell your car off if this war went through. You wanted no illegitimate Iraqi oil to cross your wallet? ...but then you got a Mustang instead! Tell you what- I'll take it off your hands. I could give it a true home where it could be appreciated, not snickered at while it sits in your garage and you post here about how wrong the war is...
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Back off. I'm not intimidated or impressed.
You should be embarrassed for even posting here... Good Day!
You know, this thread once again confirms the most important thing to bear in mind when dealing with the new breed of right wing triumphalist:
they have no shame.
People of good will, wishing the best for their country, desiring security and an effective response to the threat of terrorism, would be obliged to admit that the now starkly revealed miscalculations, misrepresentations, and deliberately misleading rhetoric surrounding the invasion of Iraq are disturbing evidence that the administration's "war on terror" lacks focus, cohesion, and direction. At least.
People who genuinely want a safer world, and who one would assume would believe that this cause is best served by clarity of purpose and a scrupulous caution in identifying actual threats, would be obliged to acknowledge the painfully obvious: that having sold the American people on an unprecedented pre-emptive invasion based on the specter of a direct, near term threat to the United States, a threat that was said to have included a rush to nuclear capacity, strong, substantive links to al Qaeda, vast arsenals of the most destructive sort of weaponry, and even bizarre scare stories like the talk of unmanned drones that were purported to have the range to reach north america; that having portrayed the threat in the starkest terms imaginable, subsequent events have failed to substantiate any of the stated reasons for going to war.
But not a word of remorse. Instead, we get lame post hoc posturing around "world better place without Saddam", typical internet parsing of micro-meaning, complete with line by line demands for links and proof, endless stirring of a disredited pot of rumors, forgeries and urban legends, half-assed assertions of "stuff that kinda resembles some of the things Bush claimed", and the usual ad hominem beligerance in re "liberals" (as well as third grade formulations that amount to: "well, if you love saddam so much, why don't you marry him?).
Read through the thread again. Notice that virually all the actual information is coming from people who opposed the war. Notice how nearly all the rebuttals (those that aren't just inane) traffic in the same kind of hazy chain of non sequiturs and dismissal of dissent as some kind of lethal character defect that characterized the run-up to war.
So I put it to our little stable of chicken-hawks: do you even care about America anymore, or are you so invested in denying "liberals" a "win" that you simply can't acknowledge the truth? That's right, I'm impugning your patriotism. I'm questioning your loyalities.
I want an America that is safer. I want an America whose freedoms stand as a rebuttal to tyrany. Where justice is a matter of practice, not sloganeering, and whose virutes are played out in her gravest actions.
You want an America where "liberals" are discredited and the Republican party holds perpetual sway under the mighty leader who answers to no one. Where pointing out error is considered "irrational hatred". Where the end, no matter how vaguely portayed, always justifies the means. Where power trumps justice.
It's called fascism, and it is not patriotism.
The surest way to kill Al Qaeda and the other Islamo-cists is to bring life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to all of the Middle East, HASSAN. That's what the Islamo-cists fear most. And that is what George Bush is doing.
Let me spell this out for you. A lot of people, individuals and governments, send money directly to the families of suicide bombers. In your eyes should they all be targets of the United States' war on terror? If not, why not? If so, why?
If they are supporting terror yes.
The term "War on terror" does not mean that the US and it's allies are going around killing everyone. So quit saying it. You are proliferating a lie.
So saying, I think those people should be targets, does not necessarily mean they should be killed by invading armies. So before you twist my words, please read the last sentence again, carefully.
Here is what rioting/protesting palestinians were hear saying when the US was threatening war on Iraq, according to Reuters:
""We sacrifice our soul and blood for Saddam," some 1,500 Palestinian protesters chanted in the West Bank city of Jenin, while others shouted, "Death to America!"
Holding aloft pictures of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, some 1,000 Palestinians, including gunmen who fired shots into the air, marched through the streets of the West Bank city of Tulkarm."
There are also a plethora of instances of the palestinians saying the same sorts of stuff.
[B]The ole "I was xyz when you were born" spiel. BFD! Then you accuse someone else of being on a "high horse"? You are the prince of hypocracy! So what are you in your 40's? The style of some of your posts betray your supposed age, unfortunately. You wanna pull the "age card"? Tell ya what- ACT LIKE IT! You're battin' like a 16 yr old, lately...
[B]
Lemme guess, you dip your finger in the nozzle before every fill-up? "mmmm, nope, this doesn't taste like Iraqi gas. Whew!" fillaway...
...or are you that gullible guy at the checkout counter, "You promise there is no gas from Iraqi oil in these pumps? Promise???"
"No, Iraqi oil here, fella. Go fill-up." [whispers "jagoff" under his breath as jimmac walks off]
[B]
REEEAL AMERRRRICAN HYPOCRITE!!! (sung to that Bud Light parody theme song)
What's it been- almost a year ago you claimed you would sell your car off if this war went through. You wanted no illegitimate Iraqi oil to cross your wallet? ...but then you got a Mustang instead! Tell you what- I'll take it off your hands. I could give it a true home where it could be appreciated, not snickered at while it sits in your garage and you post here about how wrong the war is...
You should be embarrassed for even posting here... Good Day!
You know strangly enough we are the only culture that doesn't recognize age has something to do with growing up.
Also....pssst ya got the wrong guy!
I don't know where you got this selling my car business. I've never said that. You must have got me mixed up with someone else. So please try to at least get your " facts "
straight! I've had this car for 3 years now.
Pretty embarassing that you can't even keep people straight.
Much like any relevance to the subject at hand.
Come back to earth Randycat99! You don't even know what you're talking about.
Or did your widdle body have too much to drink tonight?
By the way I was in my jr year in high school in 1970. Do the math if you can. I'm 50 bozo. I haven't been your age since 1983. That's assuming you didn't lie on your profile and are really 16.
No, it certainly was you. Backpeddle and deny all you want... It's really not surprising. I mean, a Mustang is a Mustang (unless you punked out and got the V6), and it appears it has gotten you halfway back to your senses about what is sensible transportation. You just need to come to grips that you shot your mouth off that day long ago about how far you really would go to live by your convictions (or you are just a lying hypocrite, tomato-tomahto). I knew you would never follow through!
Talk about spin. By your definition they support terror. That means the list of people you want to attack is huge. Are you really going to support war against US allies?
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Suicide bombers existed before the payments. The motivation isn't the money, it's the goal of getting Israel out of the occupied territories.
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Originally posted by Randycat99
Sure, why not?
I don't know, NaplesX brought it in because he believe Saddam supporting Palestinian suicide bombers means Saddam is a threat to the U.S.
Originally posted by Randycat99
Thy funny thing is that you don't bother to call someone on it when they go by the name, oh I dunno, "jimmac"? He doesn't help your cause in the slightest, with the remarks he chooses to inject into these discussions. By now, one would have expected either you or giant to at least told him to SDSTFU. He's like the little parrot that sits on a shoulder and caws when the "big boys" come out to do the heavy lifting.
Yes, yes ,yes. You're the guy who thinks I'm not sincere.
It's very difficult to be sincere with people who constantly ignore evidence you show them contrary to the contrary.
If I were you Randycat99 I'd be embarrased to hitch your wagon to someone like SDW's or NaplesX's star.
There are some consevatives on this board that I take seriously you know. I don't think a lot of the ones who lash out in a childish fashion because they don't have any other way to defend themselves.
Hey! Come to think of it aren't you attacking the people and not the ideas right now?
Originally posted by Randycat99
Give it up jimmac, giant, and bunge! You guys lost. NaplesX won. Case closed. You are just looping over and over like a broken record by now.
Specify. How did NaplesX win?
Originally posted by bunge
I don't know, NaplesX brought it in because he believe Saddam supporting Palestinian suicide bombers means Saddam is a threat to the U.S.
But the premise was a threat to us here in the U.S.
Not stationed some where.
Bush just can't recant now and say : " Oh! I meant on a base overseas.
Sorry try again.
Originally posted by jimmac
Specify. How did NaplesX win?
Very easy- you lost. (You should now begin to realize how pointless it is for just anybody to "call the game" as if you are some kinda self-appointed referee.)
Originally posted by jimmac
If I were you Randycat99 I'd be embarrased to hitch your wagon to someone like SDW's or NaplesX's star.
I don't hitch with anybody. I speak my mind.
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Hey! Come to think of it aren't you attacking the people and not the ideas right now?
Yeah, I'll do it overtly when I feel it is appropriate. No pussyfooting around, beating around the bush, veiled digs, whatever...and you? You really are a bleating parrot. Deal with it. Don't like it? Stop being one. Simple.
BTW, have you followed through and sold your car, yet? Riding your bicycle to work and all? Can't let that Iraqi oil and blood touch your lifestyle, lest you be a hypocrite, right?...
Originally posted by Randycat99
Very easy- you lost. (You should now begin to realize how pointless it is for just anybody to "call the game" as if you are some kinda self-appointed referee.)
what in the world are you on about?
Originally posted by Randycat99
[B]I don't hitch with anybody. I speak my mind.
Yeah, I'll do it overtly when I feel it is appropriate. No pussyfooting around, beating around the bush, veiled digs, whatever...and you? You really are a bleating parrot. Deal with it. Don't like it? Stop being one. Simple.
BTW, have you followed through and sold your car, yet? Riding your bicycle to work and all? Can't let that Iraqi oil and blood touch your lifestyle, lest you be a hypocrite, right?...
Well aren't you feeling big for someone so young! Listen little boy I was in my jr. year of High School when you were born. And from listening to your immature posts have a much better handle on the world than you.
Off the high horse sonny.
Not all of our oil comes from Iraq. Please don't tell me you're one of those idiots that think that their oil justifies the war? It may surprise you but I'm right behind the development of electric. And I drive a Mustang. I realize that our fossil fuels are finite. That still doesn't justify the war. It's their oil.
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" You really are a bleating parrot. "
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Nice name calling. Maybe I wouldn't have to repeat myself if guys like NaplesX and yourself didn't have that giant blindspot and selective memory loss.
Back off. I'm not intimidated or impressed.
Originally posted by Randycat99
Very easy- you lost. (You should now begin to realize how pointless it is for just anybody to "call the game" as if you are some kinda self-appointed referee.)
When your opponent can't give a sufficient reply other than " There's no talking to you " that's pretty much it.
Originally posted by addabox
what in the world are you on about?
Originally posted by addabox
what in the world are you on about?
He's just sore because I pointed out what he was doing. It sounds an awful lot like what he was accusing me of.
Looks like you just buzzkilled your own teammate!
The only sane response to someone who loops around and around is, "There's no talking to you."
Originally posted by jimmac
When your opponent can't give a sufficient reply other than " There's no talking to you " that's pretty much it.
Originally posted by Randycat99
^^^^
Looks like you just buzzkilled your own teammate!
The only sane response to someone who loops around and around is, "There's no talking to you."
Reread my first reply bozo.
And really is that the best you can do?
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" You really are a bleating parrot. "
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Nice name calling. Maybe I wouldn't have to repeat myself if guys like NaplesX and yourself didn't have that giant blindspot and selective memory loss.
Grow up.
Originally posted by jimmac
Well aren't you feeling big for someone so young! Listen little boy I was in my jr. year of High School when you were born. And from listening to your immature posts have a much better handle on the world than you.
Off the high horse sonny.
The ole "I was xyz when you were born" spiel. BFD! Then you accuse someone else of being on a "high horse"?
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Not all of our oil comes from Iraq.
Lemme guess, you dip your finger in the nozzle before every fill-up? "mmmm, nope, this doesn't taste like Iraqi gas. Whew!" fillaway...
...or are you that gullible guy at the checkout counter, "You promise there is no gas from Iraqi oil in these pumps? Promise???"
"No, Iraqi oil here, fella. Go fill-up." [whispers "jagoff" under his breath as jimmac walks off]
Quote:
And I drive a Mustang. I realize that our fossil fuels are finite. That still doesn't justify the war. It's their oil.
REEEAL AMERRRRICAN HYPOCRITE!!! (sung to that Bud Light parody theme song)
What's it been- almost a year ago you claimed you would sell your car off if this war went through. You wanted no illegitimate Iraqi oil to cross your wallet? ...but then you got a Mustang instead!
Quote:
Back off. I'm not intimidated or impressed.
You should be embarrassed for even posting here...
Originally posted by addabox
You know, this thread once again confirms the most important thing to bear in mind when dealing with the new breed of right wing triumphalist:
they have no shame.
People of good will, wishing the best for their country, desiring security and an effective response to the threat of terrorism, would be obliged to admit that the now starkly revealed miscalculations, misrepresentations, and deliberately misleading rhetoric surrounding the invasion of Iraq are disturbing evidence that the administration's "war on terror" lacks focus, cohesion, and direction. At least.
People who genuinely want a safer world, and who one would assume would believe that this cause is best served by clarity of purpose and a scrupulous caution in identifying actual threats, would be obliged to acknowledge the painfully obvious: that having sold the American people on an unprecedented pre-emptive invasion based on the specter of a direct, near term threat to the United States, a threat that was said to have included a rush to nuclear capacity, strong, substantive links to al Qaeda, vast arsenals of the most destructive sort of weaponry, and even bizarre scare stories like the talk of unmanned drones that were purported to have the range to reach north america; that having portrayed the threat in the starkest terms imaginable, subsequent events have failed to substantiate any of the stated reasons for going to war.
But not a word of remorse. Instead, we get lame post hoc posturing around "world better place without Saddam", typical internet parsing of micro-meaning, complete with line by line demands for links and proof, endless stirring of a disredited pot of rumors, forgeries and urban legends, half-assed assertions of "stuff that kinda resembles some of the things Bush claimed", and the usual ad hominem beligerance in re "liberals" (as well as third grade formulations that amount to: "well, if you love saddam so much, why don't you marry him?).
Read through the thread again. Notice that virually all the actual information is coming from people who opposed the war. Notice how nearly all the rebuttals (those that aren't just inane) traffic in the same kind of hazy chain of non sequiturs and dismissal of dissent as some kind of lethal character defect that characterized the run-up to war.
So I put it to our little stable of chicken-hawks: do you even care about America anymore, or are you so invested in denying "liberals" a "win" that you simply can't acknowledge the truth? That's right, I'm impugning your patriotism. I'm questioning your loyalities.
I want an America that is safer. I want an America whose freedoms stand as a rebuttal to tyrany. Where justice is a matter of practice, not sloganeering, and whose virutes are played out in her gravest actions.
You want an America where "liberals" are discredited and the Republican party holds perpetual sway under the mighty leader who answers to no one. Where pointing out error is considered "irrational hatred". Where the end, no matter how vaguely portayed, always justifies the means. Where power trumps justice.
It's called fascism, and it is not patriotism.
The surest way to kill Al Qaeda and the other Islamo-cists is to bring life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to all of the Middle East, HASSAN.
Originally posted by bunge
Let me spell this out for you. A lot of people, individuals and governments, send money directly to the families of suicide bombers. In your eyes should they all be targets of the United States' war on terror? If not, why not? If so, why?
If they are supporting terror yes.
The term "War on terror" does not mean that the US and it's allies are going around killing everyone. So quit saying it. You are proliferating a lie.
So saying, I think those people should be targets, does not necessarily mean they should be killed by invading armies. So before you twist my words, please read the last sentence again, carefully.
Here is what rioting/protesting palestinians were hear saying when the US was threatening war on Iraq, according to Reuters:
""We sacrifice our soul and blood for Saddam," some 1,500 Palestinian protesters chanted in the West Bank city of Jenin, while others shouted, "Death to America!"
Holding aloft pictures of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, some 1,000 Palestinians, including gunmen who fired shots into the air, marched through the streets of the West Bank city of Tulkarm."
There are also a plethora of instances of the palestinians saying the same sorts of stuff.
Originally posted by Randycat99
[B]The ole "I was xyz when you were born" spiel. BFD! Then you accuse someone else of being on a "high horse"?
[B]
Lemme guess, you dip your finger in the nozzle before every fill-up? "mmmm, nope, this doesn't taste like Iraqi gas. Whew!" fillaway...
...or are you that gullible guy at the checkout counter, "You promise there is no gas from Iraqi oil in these pumps? Promise???"
"No, Iraqi oil here, fella. Go fill-up." [whispers "jagoff" under his breath as jimmac walks off]
[B]
REEEAL AMERRRRICAN HYPOCRITE!!! (sung to that Bud Light parody theme song)
What's it been- almost a year ago you claimed you would sell your car off if this war went through. You wanted no illegitimate Iraqi oil to cross your wallet? ...but then you got a Mustang instead!
You should be embarrassed for even posting here...
You know strangly enough we are the only culture that doesn't recognize age has something to do with growing up.
Also....pssst ya got the wrong guy!
I don't know where you got this selling my car business. I've never said that. You must have got me mixed up with someone else. So please try to at least get your " facts "
straight! I've had this car for 3 years now.
Pretty embarassing that you can't even keep people straight.
Much like any relevance to the subject at hand.
Come back to earth Randycat99! You don't even know what you're talking about.
Or did your widdle body have too much to drink tonight?
By the way I was in my jr year in high school in 1970. Do the math if you can. I'm 50 bozo. I haven't been your age since 1983. That's assuming you didn't lie on your profile and are really 16.
Originally posted by NaplesX
If they are supporting terror yes.
Talk about spin. By your definition they support terror. That means the list of people you want to attack is huge. Are you really going to support war against US allies?
But Saddam is not the only one giving money. Charities from Saudi Arabia and Qatar ? both U.S. allies ? pay money to families of Palestinians killed in the fighting, including suicide bombers.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Suicide bombers existed before the payments. The motivation isn't the money, it's the goal of getting Israel out of the occupied territories.