<strong>As pointed out on Ars, the part number of the interessting parts are XC7455ARX1167PC, XC7455ARX1167PCR and XPC7455RX1100PC. The Prefix XC and XPC indicated that this is pre production chips.
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Well, yeah, they are preproduction as of June and into July. Current status is unknown. But as suggested, it's assumed the next Power Macs won't even use 7455s. On the other hand, Powerdoc's mention that a 1000 Mhz low-power 7455 is listed is good news for PowerBook or iBook owners. If Austin's cooking up some new low-power chips to possibly go along with new desktop chips, then the iBook could finally lose its G3 this fall.
This is a major improvement??? How so? People have clocked the current QS successfully up to 1.2Ghz. Moto, very briefly, had a 1.1 part on it's PPC pages, then it quickly disappeared.
A 166Mhz bus??? I sure hope that's a DDR capable 166 (333 effective). If it's only 166Mhz SDR, that's an OK chip for iMacs and Powerbooks, but not Powermacs. Sorry. I'm also thinking that whether or not it has a DDR capable FSB, Apple should employ the Xserve memory hack accross the board. There's no price difference between DDR and SDR now, and since DDR actually uses less power it makes a good fit for the tight confines of the portables and the iMac aswell (even if they don't fully utilize it).
166Mhz MPX (SDR only FSB) is OK for the rest of the mac line up, not for Powermacs.
<strong>Eugene, going Future Hardware on us? :eek: What's next, Jonathan with rumors of a new PDA? <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
Nice of you to post this info here Eugene or I wouldn't have noticed it. I am excited by this. It means progress/ With FireWire 2 I'd buy.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple's holding off on releasing thier PDA/Portable stove till Moto has the G5 in full production.
This is a major improvement??? How so? People have clocked the current QS successfully up to 1.2Ghz. Moto, very briefly, had a 1.1 part on it's PPC pages, then it quickly disappeared.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's big news because these G4s are now being made in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia instead of Austin, Texas. So what's being manufactured at the Austin plant? *hint hint*
As in the spy photos thread, it would be better for you to read the entire thread, because this was mentioned above.
Well, it is good news for the rest of the mac line-up. I think Apple could persuade me to buy an iMac or a PB with such a chip (provided hacked on DDR other system wide improvements)
As to the gambler's fallacy, that bad luck now must surely mean good luck later. In this case it's a definite maybe... Could just be Moto saving costs by transitioning production to Malaysia, are you certain they won't be making drangonballs or dragonball-ARM cores, or embedded only 8450, or cell-phone smart chips, or some asics??? Anything at all that's easier to fab and more in line with the demonstrably mediocre capabilities of that fab?
You know, it is a clue, it probably means something if only because Moto can't afford to stand still, but it doesn't mean anything is definite. If all they come with in 2 weeks time is that bumped G4 for the PM, then they suck a$$ in a way I never imagined they could suck a$$.
I hate to say this (then don't, right) but I am actually finding myself agreeing with JYD. Hey man- you got any paper towels? I got a bit excited too. That 1.16GHZ is just too much for my 128-bit mind. Slooowww down...
Nothing quite like a product hardly worth an "anncouncement" It would have been an announcement about 18 months ago- now its just filler copy for the tech page of the WSJ.
More Moto-trash. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
Dang you, JYD, for saying something I cannot help but laugh at and agree with.
If the 1.167 7455 chips are no longer being manufactured in the Austin facility then what is being manufactured there currently?<hr></blockquote>
.13µ CPUs supposedly - who knows what they'll be designated. Remember: The Register pretty much made the 7470 up - we have no idea if that will be an actual part number.
I'd say something better than 1167 MHz G4's are coming, even if that is what's released in a few days. And yes, it means 166Mhz MPX bus. Which, when teamed with some flavor of DDR would at least make for a "better hack" than what XServe has.
<strong>Yeah, because you did so much goddamn legwork to track this story down. Please. Nobody is sending you royalties for this.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If we're going to get hung up about who found the Mot link, natebrau at Ars credits <a href="http://www.xlr8yourmac.com"; target="_blank">Accelerate Your Mac!</a>
It's big news because these G4s are now being made in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia instead of Austin, Texas. So what's being manufactured at the Austin plant? *hint hint*
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Sorry to burst a bubble here, but from this <a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/XPC7445QUAL.pdf"; target="_blank">PDF file</a> it looks like the Austin plant being shut down merely does the packaging while the wafers are actually produced at the MOS13 plant on a HIP6SOI process, i.e. 0.18µm. With BAT-1 Motorola is just closing the packaging line and moves this part to Malaysia, just like AMD did a while ago. On the other hand, Bad Andy over at ArsTechnica has stated that MOS13 has been producing samples on the new HIP7 process for over a year now, and judging from <a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/PCN7658.htm"; target="_blank">this</a> , they are tweaking the process, so there's still hope for some "custom" chips to be built for our favourite computer.
in the press release it said,"Motorola is currently running embedded microprocessor cores on this advanced 0.13 micron process. Production is expected to begin in second quarter of this year in MOS13, Motorola's most advanced 8-inch facility in Austin, Texas."
There's that word, "embedded." While any PPC can probably be called an 'embedded' chip, and Moto seems to refer to G3-4-5? as embedded, we mean embedded as stuff that goes in devices not computers, and they use it a little differently. Also, public statements and our own discussion seems to ploy the term a little inconsistently. I hope we're getting a desktop CPU and not an 'embedded microprocessor'
You're right, the availability of the HIP7 process has been widely discussed. I just am wondering what the SRAM samples on customer demand may be? Where do you need SRAM in a custom design apart from CPUs?
PS: I can't resist, being the pedantic German I am: it's "Wie geht's DIR?" <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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<strong>As pointed out on Ars, the part number of the interessting parts are XC7455ARX1167PC, XC7455ARX1167PCR and XPC7455RX1100PC. The Prefix XC and XPC indicated that this is pre production chips.
<snip></strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, yeah, they are preproduction as of June and into July. Current status is unknown. But as suggested, it's assumed the next Power Macs won't even use 7455s. On the other hand, Powerdoc's mention that a 1000 Mhz low-power 7455 is listed is good news for PowerBook or iBook owners. If Austin's cooking up some new low-power chips to possibly go along with new desktop chips, then the iBook could finally lose its G3 this fall.
Hey, that's my job!
<a href="http://www.g-news.ch/articles/cputest0401/images/metaG4450.jpg"; target="_blank">http://www.g-news.ch/articles/cputest0401/images/metaG4450.jpg</a>;
This is taken off my G4 upgrade card.
If it really is a pre-production model, then I know why it's so damn buggy under OS 9.2.2 and SoundManager paired with a T&L Radeon PCI.
G-News
This is a major improvement??? How so? People have clocked the current QS successfully up to 1.2Ghz. Moto, very briefly, had a 1.1 part on it's PPC pages, then it quickly disappeared.
A 166Mhz bus??? I sure hope that's a DDR capable 166 (333 effective). If it's only 166Mhz SDR, that's an OK chip for iMacs and Powerbooks, but not Powermacs. Sorry. I'm also thinking that whether or not it has a DDR capable FSB, Apple should employ the Xserve memory hack accross the board. There's no price difference between DDR and SDR now, and since DDR actually uses less power it makes a good fit for the tight confines of the portables and the iMac aswell (even if they don't fully utilize it).
166Mhz MPX (SDR only FSB) is OK for the rest of the mac line up, not for Powermacs.
<strong>Eugene, going Future Hardware on us? :eek: What's next, Jonathan with rumors of a new PDA? <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
Nice of you to post this info here Eugene or I wouldn't have noticed it. I am excited by this. It means progress/ With FireWire 2 I'd buy.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apple's holding off on releasing thier PDA/Portable stove till Moto has the G5 in full production.
<strong>MMM-K
This is a major improvement??? How so? People have clocked the current QS successfully up to 1.2Ghz. Moto, very briefly, had a 1.1 part on it's PPC pages, then it quickly disappeared.</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's big news because these G4s are now being made in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia instead of Austin, Texas. So what's being manufactured at the Austin plant? *hint hint*
As in the spy photos thread, it would be better for you to read the entire thread, because this was mentioned above.
[ 08-06-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
As to the gambler's fallacy, that bad luck now must surely mean good luck later. In this case it's a definite maybe... Could just be Moto saving costs by transitioning production to Malaysia, are you certain they won't be making drangonballs or dragonball-ARM cores, or embedded only 8450, or cell-phone smart chips, or some asics??? Anything at all that's easier to fab and more in line with the demonstrably mediocre capabilities of that fab?
Let's hope you're right.
Nothing quite like a product hardly worth an "anncouncement" It would have been an announcement about 18 months ago- now its just filler copy for the tech page of the WSJ.
More Moto-trash. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
Dang you, JYD, for saying something I cannot help but laugh at and agree with.
If the 1.167 7455 chips are no longer being manufactured in the Austin facility then what is being manufactured there currently?<hr></blockquote>
.13µ CPUs supposedly - who knows what they'll be designated. Remember: The Register pretty much made the 7470 up - we have no idea if that will be an actual part number.
I'd say something better than 1167 MHz G4's are coming, even if that is what's released in a few days. And yes, it means 166Mhz MPX bus. Which, when teamed with some flavor of DDR would at least make for a "better hack" than what XServe has.
[ 08-06-2002: Message edited by: Moogs ]</p>
<strong>Yeah, because you did so much goddamn legwork to track this story down. Please. Nobody is sending you royalties for this.</strong><hr></blockquote>
If we're going to get hung up about who found the Mot link, natebrau at Ars credits <a href="http://www.xlr8yourmac.com"; target="_blank">Accelerate Your Mac!</a>
[ 08-06-2002: Message edited by: Amorph ]</p>
Have we resortedt o numerology now? Oh well, numerology has got to be better than The Register.
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It's big news because these G4s are now being made in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia instead of Austin, Texas. So what's being manufactured at the Austin plant? *hint hint*
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Sorry to burst a bubble here, but from this <a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/XPC7445QUAL.pdf"; target="_blank">PDF file</a> it looks like the Austin plant being shut down merely does the packaging while the wafers are actually produced at the MOS13 plant on a HIP6SOI process, i.e. 0.18µm. With BAT-1 Motorola is just closing the packaging line and moves this part to Malaysia, just like AMD did a while ago. On the other hand, Bad Andy over at ArsTechnica has stated that MOS13 has been producing samples on the new HIP7 process for over a year now, and judging from <a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/collateral/PCN7658.htm"; target="_blank">this</a> , they are tweaking the process, so there's still hope for some "custom" chips to be built for our favourite computer.
[ 08-06-2002: Message edited by: heinzel ]</p>
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On the other hand, Bad Andy over at ArsTechnica has stated that MOS13 has been producing samples on the new HIP7 process for over a year now,
[ 08-06-2002: Message edited by: heinzel ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
You needn't rely on BadAndy for this information, it has been discussed numerous times in AppleInsider and references
<a href="http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=mot&script=411&layout=-6&item_id=164832"; target="_blank">this press release</a> dated April 9th, 2001
in the press release it said,"Motorola is currently running embedded microprocessor cores on this advanced 0.13 micron process. Production is expected to begin in second quarter of this year in MOS13, Motorola's most advanced 8-inch facility in Austin, Texas."
Wie gehts du?
[ 08-06-2002: Message edited by: rickag ]</p>
hrmmm...
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Wie gehts du?
[ 08-06-2002: Message edited by: rickag ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Danke, gut! Und Dir?
You're right, the availability of the HIP7 process has been widely discussed. I just am wondering what the SRAM samples on customer demand may be? Where do you need SRAM in a custom design apart from CPUs?
PS: I can't resist, being the pedantic German I am: it's "Wie geht's DIR?"
Thank you for asking though!