something big [I]will[/I] happen.. (asumptions)

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in Future Apple Hardware edited January 2014
we are approaching macworldSF, and this is now the major(soon only?) apple event, the one where big announcements are made.



what is peculiar is that several tidbits have been broke already by apple of sort; only os X bootable macs (confirmed further by Quark announcement), tcp/ip over firewire, quicktime 6.1/6.5, future bluetooth capable ipod, itunes over isync, ibm presents new desktop PPC, keynote broadcasted at Centre Georges Pompidou in Paris (famous multipurpose art museum).



before speculating, lets agree 03 will bring good news.



SOME NOTES

the switch campaign was made by a company with strong belief in its own future. with the recent 01filing in mind, this campaign were meant to wake interest more than anything else. next campaign will get the sales arguments and by then shops are up&ready. this campaign is there to show the ease of use, style and new os.



so i think of the end of the motorola agreement, the "we like options" statement, and the IBM 970. what's going on here? well, in the motorola agreement Apple must have been left with no choice, so now they are free to choose; well they probably went with ibm some time ago, probably closing an exclusive deal where performance had a pretty central part. is performance a threat to IBM? didn't think so. is it crucial to Apple? thought so. do IBM believe in SIMD? well, they didn't use to, but do now.. so as long as ibm keeps Apple in the performance lead, they got the whole pie. to secure both ends, apple is keeping a close watch at amd 64bit processors.



SPECULATING

i believe we will see new processor naming on all the chips from IBM, who is soon to be sole PPC provider. they probably will adapt a vector unit to the G3 and rename it too...



BYE-BYE G'this, G'that... welcome <insertnewname>6GB+ throughput.



this will happen in 03, but allready;

if the new deal runs from when the old ends.. IBM is bound to ship all the chips. and Steve to live up to the " **** you Motorola" he must have proclaimed at the time of the 350GHZ G4 (What a bummer..).

all chips after mwsf will be IBM, they will also get new names.



where did FW2 go? all sorted out for the new chips/boards.

bluetooth? comes with the new chips/bords.



so, what's your guess for an all IBM line-up? it WILL happen..
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  • Reply 1 of 31
    not unlike myselfnot unlike myself Posts: 2,037member
    BTW, your italics didn't work. And if it matters, this is a better MacWorld thread then the other one. You have content.



    Oh, and PS, I disagree, but then I won't be the last to disagree. I doubt new processors will appear. But I have been wrong before.



    [ 12-29-2002: Message edited by: Not Unlike Myself ]</p>
  • Reply 2 of 31
    aaaa Posts: 57member
    thanks, my 1st post & all



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  • Reply 3 of 31
    lemon bon bonlemon bon bon Posts: 2,383member
    I hope so.



    However, it's dangerous to just have one supplier.



    But at least I'd trust IBM with the solo supplier ball Moto' dropped.



    All of Apple's business, some four million machines may just justify a line of processors IBM is developing anyhow.



    A G3+altivec, plus 200 mhz bus with clocks of 1 gig to start with? Good enough for iMac and iBook.



    970? Good enough for 'power'Mac.



    I can't wait to see how 2003 starts to pan out.



    Lemon BOn BOn
  • Reply 4 of 31
    sc_marktsc_markt Posts: 1,402member
    [quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:

    <strong>



    A G3+altivec, plus 200 mhz bus with clocks of 1 gig to start with?



    Lemon BOn BOn</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Why not just use a G4 instead? You'd get a better floating point unit with it.
  • Reply 5 of 31
    aaaa Posts: 57member
    and i guess a good deal of dual processors?soon to make it into pb won't hurt?maybee quad top-of-the-line workstation POWERHOUSE ?
  • Reply 6 of 31
    owl boyowl boy Posts: 61member
    I'm So giddy!



    -Owl
  • Reply 7 of 31
    gargar Posts: 1,201member
    [quote]Originally posted by sc_markt:

    <strong>



    Why not just use a G4 instead? You'd get a better floating point unit with it.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    isn't a G3+altivec a sort of G4, at least the fpu should be the same or comparable.

    (it's both altivec, no)

    and btw shouldn't a G3+altivec run a lot cooler and consume less power than a G4?



    (is a G3+altivec some AImember's wetdream or does it really exist)
  • Reply 7 of 31
    emaneman Posts: 7,204member
    [quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:

    <strong>



    A G3+altivec, plus 200 mhz bus with clocks of 1 gig to start with? Good enough for iMac and iBook.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    A G3 with altivec is basically a G4.
  • Reply 9 of 31
    bioflavonoidbioflavonoid Posts: 723member
    Just a thought: don't you think it's weird that Apple fired** that employee of theirs that was leaking the rumors about the PowerMac? Maybe they need to keep something "in the bag"... This is what I want, but I won't see it knowing Apple...: An iPhone with Bluetooth capabilities that allows me to connect to the Internet from my PowerBook in the middle of traffic (eh, on second though, bad idea) all payed for through .Mac (cell phone service). Now, wouldn't that be nice? O, and an iCamera with options to store your photos on the iPod when you ran out of room on the internal 10GB HD...oohh boy...and a PowerMac with Dual IBM970 processors (speeds up to 2 GHz). :eek: <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

    EDIT: I meant to say "fired" instead of "hired"...sorry about that, just in case it was confusing.



    [ 12-29-2002: Message edited by: Bioflavonoid ]</p>
  • Reply 10 of 31
    dylsexic manupilatordylsexic manupilator Posts: 139member
    My 2 cents:



    Of course, I would like to see 2 Ghz iMacs with 17 or 19" screens, mind blowing graphics cards, 528 MB DDR RAM, et all, but I don't think that anyone can realistically expect that now.

    What I really would like to see are price drops similar to the recent iBook update for the iMac/eMac line, maybe 1 Gig G4 , 256 MB ram and 17" accross the line with 19", bluetooth, more RAM and other stuff as BTO options but I wouldn't expect anything revolutionary.

    I am saying this because I am currently looking to buy a Mac (new or used) and for what I would need it, e.g. web browsing, email, ripping and burning CD's (basically using OSX and the iApps) I am even considering the 'ole G3 iMac. I have seen many reports of 350 Mhz and lower iMacs with sufficient RAM that happily run Jaguar and the iApps

    So what's my point? Well, apart from the price issue, I don't really see the problem for the CONSUMER line. The "old hardware" problem is more of a perception problem IMHO.



    An iDevice? Who knows...



    The PM line? I expect another "stop gap" model, but with all of Apple's ingenuity, they will still be remarkable machines. They too could use a price drop though, but I don't think that this will happen because that would almost be admitting defeat and especially acknowledging what this German Apple Reseller CEO whatever guy said. Not very Steve-like, or is it ? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 11 of 31
    satchmosatchmo Posts: 2,699member
    Here we go again...getting hyped up once a MW is around the corner.



    Please...we all should know Apple's routine by now. A speed bump here and there, tout OSX, reflect on the year in review , and perhaps unveil a new digital device.



    Stealing a quote from Charles Barkley, "I may be wrong, but I doubt it."
  • Reply 12 of 31
    aaaa Posts: 57member
    sorry to get back to initial subject..



    if Apple is to go all IBM, and just so as the binding deal with Motorola ends, does anybody dear make some asumption from current state of things..?



    i'm thinking Gobi, new names and pre-970,

    we're here to dare so guess i dare y'all..



    you know Steve will, he told Moto **** off...
  • Reply 13 of 31
    stunnedstunned Posts: 1,096member
    An announcement that .Mac membership fees will be reduced by half will be a great blessing.
  • Reply 14 of 31
    trevormtrevorm Posts: 841member
    No Announcements at all.
  • Reply 15 of 31
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    [quote]Originally posted by EmAn:

    <strong>A G3 with altivec is basically a G4.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Except that the G4 does have a beefier FP unit. It (and any G3 that wants to outrun it) just needs another one.



    The G3's strengths have always been incredibly fast, efficient caches and excellent integer performance per clock - more recently, small size and low power consumption as well.



    I'm expecting announcements at the lower end of Apple's lineup. No new processors (unless you count the MPC7457) and nothing for the PowerMacs. They'll get a press release boost after the keynote, and it'll be sort of like the last couple: A good boost over the last models percentage-wise, and a solid machine for professional work, but nothing to challenge the fastest PCs. Not yet.
  • Reply 16 of 31
    aaaa Posts: 57member
    let's see... all IBM chips, new names?



    i'll shoot :

    eMac 1ghz power850 //GOBI

    ibook 800mhz/1ghz power850 //GOBI



    imac 1ghz/1.2ghz power 960

    pb 1ghz/1.2ghz power 960

    pMac 2x 1.2ghz/2x1.4ghz/2x1.6ghz power 960
  • Reply 17 of 31
    lemon bon bonlemon bon bon Posts: 2,383member
    That's kinda what I wuz thinkin' 'aa'.



    Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow...but...someday?



    Lemon Bon Bon
  • Reply 18 of 31
    stylo keengstylo keeng Posts: 2member
    Been on the outside looking in for a while now... spent a long time reading these forums before my first Mac purchase, in January of this year. A lovely Powerbook G4, got it after they updated them with Combo drives, extra RAM etc...



    Guess what..? It still rocks. Yeah, I lust after the mid year update with DVD burner, better graphics and all that. The point is though, it still kicks ass, runs OSX.2.3 beautifully, and makes my cumbersome PC look like the stone age technology that it is.



    I am looking forward to Macworld just as much as anyone, but you know what...? I'm not getting my hopes up and neither should you. Enjoy the Mac you have...



    <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
  • Reply 19 of 31
    aaaa Posts: 57member
    <strong> [quote]

    Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow...but...someday?



    Lemon Bon Bon</strong><hr></blockquote>



    what i believe is likely is that Apple will go all IBM. Motorola hardly has any developpment of desktop chips anymore; all roadmaps/r&d are gone..



    and don't forget they must have pissed Steve even more so than Ati did at the time; they have had to fight themselfs back, performing well(could you imagine Mot taking back performance edge from IBM?).



    so, it's 50-80% sure Steve will like to publicly punish Motorola, they've made Apple and steve suffer. remeber the guy that's going to trial these day's?



    so, don't anybody grasp the hunger for revenge here?
  • Reply 20 of 31
    stagflation stevestagflation steve Posts: 294member
    A G3 with Altivec would still be a G3 and not a G4, although it is true that the G4 has a slightly better FPU, it is a myth that the G4 uses the 604e's FPU.



    For a G4 to be a G4, it has to support the MPX bus, the G3 doesn't and probably never will.



    So although Apple would probably call an Altivec G3 a G4, technically it wouldn't be because of the 60x bus it continues to use.
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