Steve Jobs never, ever said he hated TV. He said "...TV is for when your mind is switched off, computers are for when your mind is switched on...we just don't see the two things converging at the moment...". He was quite correct of course and made a similar comment at an analysts conference a little later. This was several years ago and like all Steve's (carefully scripted) public announcements these comments were to serve Apple's position on a particular topic at a particular point in time. THERE IS NO REASON TO ASSUME THEY BEAR ANY RELATIONSHIP TO APPLE'S POSITION AT THE PRESENT TIME.
Exactly. This statement is so frequently twisted that it should now qualify as an urban legend. Steve simply acknowledged that TVs and computers are used differently and that integration currently made little sense.
Turning ones brain off isn't a bad thing. It has a definite purpose and is essential for keeping a brain running optimally.
Steve Jobs never, ever said he hated TV. He said "...TV is for when your mind is switched off, computers are for when your mind is switched on...we just don't see the two things converging at the moment...". He was quite correct of course and made a similar comment at an analysts conference a little later. This was several years ago and like all Steve's (carefully scripted) public announcements these comments were to serve Apple's position on a particular topic at a particular point in time. THERE IS NO REASON TO ASSUME THEY BEAR ANY RELATIONSHIP TO APPLE'S POSITION AT THE PRESENT TIME.
What I said is just like you quoted above about the mind be switch off (not interacting and not engaging means the same when it comes to television). I remember Steve not believing on the convergence at this time as well. Steve made these comments not long ago, not even a year ago. I read them, I believe at Forbes magazine in an interview right after last year's WWDC, if not mistaken. Once again, I agree that he might never used the word "hate". The point I am making is that he does not like the current TV model (surfing channels, watching without engaging (mind switch off, etc.) )
I do believe Apple will enter sooner than later on the TV territory, possibly with an DVR kind device or like MOSR mentioned with a TV HD content store. Who knows what Apple will bring to the table. I think they are waiting to the right moment to do so. With "year of HD" this moment might be coming soon. Let's hope so.
Don't have to be completely an idiot. 1. Mini has a slower disk. (fine for most people, MOST people will not notice. 2. Many people use laptops as there main computer, aka laptop hard drives. 3. Find me a computer with that footprint that has a fullsize harddrive. 4. If you don't like it you can upgrade it to a 7200 RPM disk GASP internally. 5. Or plug in another disk. 6. The mini is cheepier than some of the hard drives I've purchased. If you don't like the mac mini form factor then get an imac. Stop being such a cheep bastard. It's a Mac. It cost more than a PC (not by much), it's been that way since the very first days of Apple. Don't like it then switch to windows. You can get a barebones windows crap box for $200.
Whatever you do just stop complaining about a box smaller than my external firewire disk THAT DOESN'T have a 3.5 inch drive. BOOHOO poor you. My 7200 2.5 inch seagate drive is faster than your standard 3.5 inch mac hard disk. So if you want to pay that kinda money go ahead. Stop being a big baby.
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Originally posted by PeePeeSee
That's fine and dandy that your cube works for you - if I am not mistaken the cube can use a standard desktop hard drive and has a few more ram slots. The problem with the mini to me is that it uses a laptop hard drive and has one ram slot which I have noted many times and at this point I am just repeating myself. Laptops hard drives are slower in speed, smaller in size, and higher in cost all of which make no sense to put in a DESKTOP computer. The CPU should be fine for a while but everything else limits it - slow cdrw slow hard drive limited ram expandability and built in video card.
Yes I understand it was made that way on purpose but I don't care what does that have to do with what I want? Nothing at all.
All I ever argued was that Apple inentionaly built the thing to be limited as junkyard dawg stated and the only reason they did it was to make more money and force people to buy higher profit margined towers. That is a weak arguement? Hardly - it's dead on.
I never said Apple was losing face. You are wrong again.
You have this funny idea that companies only build things people want and if people don't want it they don't build it - That is like assuming ford can't make a car last 50 years so they don't build one when instead they don't build one because it isn't a good idea financially to do so - just like with the mini.
Me and the other hundred people? This is the kind of thinking that got Apple it's less then 10% market share.
Don't have to be completely an idiot. 1. Mini has a slower disk. (fine for most people, MOST people will not notice. 2. Many people use laptops as there main computer, aka laptop hard drives. 3. Find me a computer with that footprint that has a fullsize harddrive. 4. If you don't like it you can upgrade it to a 7200 RPM disk GASP internally. 5. Or plug in another disk. 6. The mini is cheepier than some of the hard drives I've purchased. If you don't like the mac mini form factor then get an imac. Stop being such a cheep bastard. It's a Mac. It cost more than a PC (not by much), it's been that way since the very first days of Apple. Don't like it then switch to windows. You can get a barebones windows crap box for $200.
Whatever you do just stop complaining about a box smaller than my external firewire disk THAT DOESN'T have a 3.5 inch drive. BOOHOO poor you. My 7200 2.5 inch seagate drive is faster than your standard 3.5 inch mac hard disk. So if you want to pay that kinda money go ahead. Stop being a big baby.
What do most people have to do with me? Nothing, so it's an irrelevant point. That takes care of the first two questions. 3. Who cares? Irrelevant again. 4. Yes I can upgrade it so a MORE expensive laptop hard drive that is also smaller in capacity.
You know I am not even going to reply to the rest of it because I am just repeating myself and I tire of arguing with apple apologist who love paying homage to their god.
. . . All I ever argued was that Apple inentionaly built the thing to be limited as junkyard dawg stated and the only reason they did it was to make more money and force people to buy higher profit margined towers. That is a weak arguement? Hardly - it's dead on. . .
For me, this statement really summarizes our differences. It is no matter that you want the low-end Mac to have a 3.5 inch drive and 2 RAM strips. As a matter of fact, I do too. On top of that, I want it to have several more USB ports and the power supply built in. Unfortunately for all who would have gladly accepted a little larger Mini to get these features, Apple did not give us what we really wanted. So, where does that leave us?
Most of us appear to give Apple the benefit of doubt about why the Mac Mini is made the way it is. It is apparent to many of us that Apple designed the Mac Mini to be spectacularly small, making it a novelty in the computer market. Novelty sells if the price is right. The cube was too expensive for example. The Mini on the other hand should sell well.
I think most of us also reject the idea that Apple crippled the Mini to protect sales of more profitable Macs. Think about it. If the Mini had a 3.5 inch drive, an extra RAM slot and a couple more USB ports, it would not suddenly take significant sales away from iMacs and Power Macs. It may hurt the sale of eMacs a bit more, but I believe Apple wouldn't mind that at all.
Now, if you consider those who have a more positive attitude toward Apple to be apologists, than so be it. However, calling us apologists in a negative sense isn't going to make friends, which may explain many of the replies you get. I intend to buy a Mini, not because it is God's perfect little computer, but because it is as closed to what I really want that I'm going to get in a long time.
I think that J-dawg's assessment that the mini is very nearly perfect is a great description, even if he didn't intend it as such. I think the laptop hd and one ram slot or not a big deal to really 98% of the market - yeah PeePeeCee, you are in a very small minority....and that's...okay.
I think giving it, as everyone thinks, twice the RAM standard is the really big problem. I also would hope that the gpu is good enough, but I don't know until I get on one to find out.
If I ran Apple, I'd put in the bigger RAM, eat the $50 per unit and make all of the reporters have to write another article about the mini describiing how Apple now "listens to consumers" and "that iLife package is worth the price."
Upgradeability and a dozen USB ports are a non factor for most people if RAM is sufficient and the OS feels fast enough.
The question of an inch here or there makes headlines, forces innovation and subsequent PC catchup (as usual), and forces the entire market into a direction where Apple competes well...just northwest of COOL.
I doubt Apple engineers could know what the tipping point for iMovie harddrive access times is for switchers. The mini has the specs, price and form to be real big - and that is from PC magazine articles!! We'll see, if it takes off, then you get the Mini vB with good RAM and larger HD's and kids bedrooms and my mom finally feels okay about getting a computer!!
So go ahead and complain JD and PPC, its good for us to hear, but I'm not feeling bad about the mini or the Apple platform!
. . . I think giving it, as everyone thinks, twice the RAM standard is the really big problem. . .
I'm hoping that Apple will double RAM when Tiger is introduced, or shortly afterward. I saw a rumor stating that Apple is considering making 512 MB minimum on all Macs for Tiger. I don't remember where.
I can afford to wait, and it may pay off. A large part of that $75 for 512 MB is profit. Let's hope RAM prices keep falling so Apple is encouraged to do it.
And I also hope it's true, for the sake of future sales and to give the whingers less to whinge about... but I'd also be annoyed because I've already bought my Mac
Just went to the local Mac reseller and saw the Mini for the first time. I have to say the look and engineering are incredible, much better than website photos. With more RAM I don't see any real problems.
The only problem was that they had a Call To Duty demo on it and it was not good. Maybe just not set up resolutionwise, but I think the gpu could be a little better so that at least some switchers don't think it completely sucks for games.
Also since it is "all" laptop inside, it would have been cool to have a PCI slot in it, just to give the option of some expandibility with 3rd party bluetooth, wifi and card readers.
Just went to the local Mac reseller and saw the Mini for the first time. I have to say the look and engineering are incredible, much better than website photos. With more RAM I don't see any real problems.
The only problem was that they had a Call To Duty demo on it and it was not good. Maybe just not set up resolutionwise, but I think the gpu could be a little better so that at least some switchers don't think it completely sucks for games.
Also since it is "all" laptop inside, it would have been cool to have a PCI slot in it, just to give the option of some expandibility with 3rd party bluetooth, wifi and card readers.
***WARNING: I AM IN A BAD MOOD THIS MORNING*** \
regarding your reasons for PCI slot, sorry, i had to jump in here...
3rd party bluetooth and card readers -- just get a bloody USB hub..!
the only recommended bluetooth-USB is the Dlink120-USB-Bluetooth adaptor, which is great. Card readers, well, there's tons of USB stuff for that
There is no such thing as '3rd party wifi'. Either you get Airport Extreme (which is safely integrated inside when installed, rather than having rubbish bits sticking out like their PCI brethren) or you don't get wifi. Dlink/Netgear/etc Wi-fi DOES NOT bloody work with Mac. end of story.
Your PCI slot idea just doesn't add up, and I warn you that the "all laptop" inside angle has been debated heavily on this thread, so your PCI slot idea might take some flak. Again I apologize for the moodiness of my post today.
well you can buy a wireless router to connect to your other wireless conection and then connect to that with an ethernet cable. That would cost about $35 but you'd have the exposed router next to your mini.
To me this thread is a bit worked up when actually people probably agree on most things.
For instance, the "intentionally crippling" arguement: taken another way you could say that apple was fuffilling a market segment of people that just use their computer for email, word processing and light iLife use, truly, most people. For all that the mini is good enough and pretty cheap, better than my 5 year old sawtooth that once was a professional machine and did (still does) professional work. Yes they "crippled it". Is that bad, mmmm it is what it is.
Maybe the laptop hard drive has some heat advantages that a regular hard drive does not have. I thik it is safe to assume that their hardware engineers know what they are doing. Could it be better? Yes. I don't think any of us would mind an inch bigger enclosure and a 120 GB hard drive. But WOW a new mac for $500! I'll take it!
It would have been nice to be able to upgrade the ram like you do on the iLamp, but what are going to do. It is what it is.
In short, yes, it could be better but it is still pretty good.
It's slim! Only 0.4 inches thin. It has zero cords (no desktop clutter)! Slip it in your breast pocket and take it on the go!
The enclosure is crafted from aircraft-grade brushed aluminum of the finest quality. It is machined out of a solid block!
Hermetically sealed inside this device is a helping of the most finest quality freeze-dried dogshit. Apple carefully handles this shit from asshole to consumer to ensure that it remains gag-inducing fresh.
Say hello to iPoo?.
Ok, if Apple really tried to sell this how many here would swear up and down on their mother's graves that iPoo? would finally boost Apple's marketshare? Be honest!
I also upgraded my dual 500 "gigabit" Powermac by buying a dual 533 "digital audio" (for less than the Cube). I think those two would serve PeePeeSee and JYD just fine. That's what they should spend their $500 on if they don't like the Mac mini for the reasons they stated.
Yep, I'll be buying a CPU upgrade for my Sawtooth 400 very soon. I'm still undecided between the 7455, the 7457, and the 7447. No matter what I decide on, any of these at 1.2-1.5 GHz should work nicely towards my goal of making my Powermac immortal! I'll probably go for the Gigadesigns 7455 card, only because it's the only one I've found under $400 at 1.4 GHz. The 7457 has a bigger L1 cache that's good for 5-10 % more performance, but it costs more and I don't want to sink much dough into this Mac. The 7447 is more of a laptop chip, with no L2 cache - it's clocked at 1.8 GHz but it only performs like a 1.5 GHz 7455. The good thing about the 7447 is that it's cooler, which may be good for my poor Sawtooth.
This Sawtooth has been good to me, and my only complaint is that it has only one optical drive bay. Apple could make a miniaturized version of the Sawtooth and sell it as the Mini, and I'd be happier than a pig in shit - even if it only had a G4!
regarding your reasons for PCI slot, sorry, i had to jump in here...
3rd party bluetooth and card readers -- just get a bloody USB hub..!
the only recommended bluetooth-USB is the Dlink120-USB-Bluetooth adaptor, which is great. Card readers, well, there's tons of USB stuff for that
There is no such thing as '3rd party wifi'. Either you get Airport Extreme (which is safely integrated inside when installed, rather than having rubbish bits sticking out like their PCI brethren) or you don't get wifi. Dlink/Netgear/etc Wi-fi DOES NOT bloody work with Mac. end of story.
Your PCI slot idea just doesn't add up, and I warn you that the "all laptop" inside angle has been debated heavily on this thread, so your PCI slot idea might take some flak. Again I apologize for the moodiness of my post today.
Yeah, I guess.
USB is a good strategy here as long as you buy the hub. USB devices are abundant and cheap, but they just mean more cables and with the hub those devices become as big as the computer itself.
I didn't know the Dlink wifi card didn't work with the Mac, the wifi router works fine.
Thanks for convincing me not to waste time on this thread anymore.
USB is a good strategy here as long as you buy the hub. USB devices are abundant and cheap, but they just mean more cables and with the hub those devices become as big as the computer itself.
I didn't know the Dlink wifi card didn't work with the Mac, the wifi router works fine.
Thanks for convincing me not to waste time on this thread anymore.
\ yeah you should spend time on this thread instead:
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Originally posted by dfiler
Steve Jobs never said he hates tv.
He never said anything even remotely similar to that.
Yes he did. He said he did not like the way TV makes you just sit there and watch without interacting or engaging in the experience.
Maybe he didn't use the word "hate" but he definately doesn't like the actual TV model and he stated there before my friend.
Turning ones brain off isn't a bad thing. It has a definite purpose and is essential for keeping a brain running optimally.
Originally posted by vinney57
Steve Jobs never, ever said he hated TV. He said "...TV is for when your mind is switched off, computers are for when your mind is switched on...we just don't see the two things converging at the moment...". He was quite correct of course and made a similar comment at an analysts conference a little later. This was several years ago and like all Steve's (carefully scripted) public announcements these comments were to serve Apple's position on a particular topic at a particular point in time. THERE IS NO REASON TO ASSUME THEY BEAR ANY RELATIONSHIP TO APPLE'S POSITION AT THE PRESENT TIME.
What I said is just like you quoted above about the mind be switch off (not interacting and not engaging means the same when it comes to television). I remember Steve not believing on the convergence at this time as well. Steve made these comments not long ago, not even a year ago. I read them, I believe at Forbes magazine in an interview right after last year's WWDC, if not mistaken. Once again, I agree that he might never used the word "hate". The point I am making is that he does not like the current TV model (surfing channels, watching without engaging (mind switch off, etc.) )
I do believe Apple will enter sooner than later on the TV territory, possibly with an DVR kind device or like MOSR mentioned with a TV HD content store. Who knows what Apple will bring to the table. I think they are waiting to the right moment to do so. With "year of HD" this moment might be coming soon. Let's hope so.
Whatever you do just stop complaining about a box smaller than my external firewire disk THAT DOESN'T have a 3.5 inch drive. BOOHOO poor you. My 7200 2.5 inch seagate drive is faster than your standard 3.5 inch mac hard disk. So if you want to pay that kinda money go ahead. Stop being a big baby.
Originally posted by PeePeeSee
That's fine and dandy that your cube works for you - if I am not mistaken the cube can use a standard desktop hard drive and has a few more ram slots. The problem with the mini to me is that it uses a laptop hard drive and has one ram slot which I have noted many times and at this point I am just repeating myself. Laptops hard drives are slower in speed, smaller in size, and higher in cost all of which make no sense to put in a DESKTOP computer. The CPU should be fine for a while but everything else limits it - slow cdrw slow hard drive limited ram expandability and built in video card.
Yes I understand it was made that way on purpose but I don't care what does that have to do with what I want? Nothing at all.
All I ever argued was that Apple inentionaly built the thing to be limited as junkyard dawg stated and the only reason they did it was to make more money and force people to buy higher profit margined towers. That is a weak arguement? Hardly - it's dead on.
I never said Apple was losing face. You are wrong again.
You have this funny idea that companies only build things people want and if people don't want it they don't build it - That is like assuming ford can't make a car last 50 years so they don't build one when instead they don't build one because it isn't a good idea financially to do so - just like with the mini.
Me and the other hundred people? This is the kind of thinking that got Apple it's less then 10% market share.
Originally posted by webmail
Don't have to be completely an idiot. 1. Mini has a slower disk. (fine for most people, MOST people will not notice. 2. Many people use laptops as there main computer, aka laptop hard drives. 3. Find me a computer with that footprint that has a fullsize harddrive. 4. If you don't like it you can upgrade it to a 7200 RPM disk GASP internally. 5. Or plug in another disk. 6. The mini is cheepier than some of the hard drives I've purchased. If you don't like the mac mini form factor then get an imac. Stop being such a cheep bastard. It's a Mac. It cost more than a PC (not by much), it's been that way since the very first days of Apple. Don't like it then switch to windows. You can get a barebones windows crap box for $200.
Whatever you do just stop complaining about a box smaller than my external firewire disk THAT DOESN'T have a 3.5 inch drive. BOOHOO poor you. My 7200 2.5 inch seagate drive is faster than your standard 3.5 inch mac hard disk. So if you want to pay that kinda money go ahead. Stop being a big baby.
What do most people have to do with me? Nothing, so it's an irrelevant point. That takes care of the first two questions. 3. Who cares? Irrelevant again. 4. Yes I can upgrade it so a MORE expensive laptop hard drive that is also smaller in capacity.
You know I am not even going to reply to the rest of it because I am just repeating myself and I tire of arguing with apple apologist who love paying homage to their god.
Originally posted by PeePeeSee
. . . All I ever argued was that Apple inentionaly built the thing to be limited as junkyard dawg stated and the only reason they did it was to make more money and force people to buy higher profit margined towers. That is a weak arguement? Hardly - it's dead on. . .
For me, this statement really summarizes our differences. It is no matter that you want the low-end Mac to have a 3.5 inch drive and 2 RAM strips. As a matter of fact, I do too. On top of that, I want it to have several more USB ports and the power supply built in. Unfortunately for all who would have gladly accepted a little larger Mini to get these features, Apple did not give us what we really wanted. So, where does that leave us?
Most of us appear to give Apple the benefit of doubt about why the Mac Mini is made the way it is. It is apparent to many of us that Apple designed the Mac Mini to be spectacularly small, making it a novelty in the computer market. Novelty sells if the price is right. The cube was too expensive for example. The Mini on the other hand should sell well.
I think most of us also reject the idea that Apple crippled the Mini to protect sales of more profitable Macs. Think about it. If the Mini had a 3.5 inch drive, an extra RAM slot and a couple more USB ports, it would not suddenly take significant sales away from iMacs and Power Macs. It may hurt the sale of eMacs a bit more, but I believe Apple wouldn't mind that at all.
Now, if you consider those who have a more positive attitude toward Apple to be apologists, than so be it. However, calling us apologists in a negative sense isn't going to make friends, which may explain many of the replies you get. I intend to buy a Mini, not because it is God's perfect little computer, but because it is as closed to what I really want that I'm going to get in a long time.
My position also.
I think giving it, as everyone thinks, twice the RAM standard is the really big problem. I also would hope that the gpu is good enough, but I don't know until I get on one to find out.
If I ran Apple, I'd put in the bigger RAM, eat the $50 per unit and make all of the reporters have to write another article about the mini describiing how Apple now "listens to consumers" and "that iLife package is worth the price."
Upgradeability and a dozen USB ports are a non factor for most people if RAM is sufficient and the OS feels fast enough.
The question of an inch here or there makes headlines, forces innovation and subsequent PC catchup (as usual), and forces the entire market into a direction where Apple competes well...just northwest of COOL.
I doubt Apple engineers could know what the tipping point for iMovie harddrive access times is for switchers. The mini has the specs, price and form to be real big - and that is from PC magazine articles!! We'll see, if it takes off, then you get the Mini vB with good RAM and larger HD's and kids bedrooms and my mom finally feels okay about getting a computer!!
So go ahead and complain JD and PPC, its good for us to hear, but I'm not feeling bad about the mini or the Apple platform!
Originally posted by MacGregor
. . . I think giving it, as everyone thinks, twice the RAM standard is the really big problem. . .
I'm hoping that Apple will double RAM when Tiger is introduced, or shortly afterward. I saw a rumor stating that Apple is considering making 512 MB minimum on all Macs for Tiger. I don't remember where.
I can afford to wait, and it may pay off. A large part of that $75 for 512 MB is profit. Let's hope RAM prices keep falling so Apple is encouraged to do it.
And I also hope it's true, for the sake of future sales and to give the whingers less to whinge about... but I'd also be annoyed because I've already bought my Mac
The only problem was that they had a Call To Duty demo on it and it was not good. Maybe just not set up resolutionwise, but I think the gpu could be a little better so that at least some switchers don't think it completely sucks for games.
Also since it is "all" laptop inside, it would have been cool to have a PCI slot in it, just to give the option of some expandibility with 3rd party bluetooth, wifi and card readers.
Originally posted by MacGregor
Just went to the local Mac reseller and saw the Mini for the first time. I have to say the look and engineering are incredible, much better than website photos. With more RAM I don't see any real problems.
The only problem was that they had a Call To Duty demo on it and it was not good. Maybe just not set up resolutionwise, but I think the gpu could be a little better so that at least some switchers don't think it completely sucks for games.
Also since it is "all" laptop inside, it would have been cool to have a PCI slot in it, just to give the option of some expandibility with 3rd party bluetooth, wifi and card readers.
***WARNING: I AM IN A BAD MOOD THIS MORNING***
regarding your reasons for PCI slot, sorry, i had to jump in here...
3rd party bluetooth and card readers -- just get a bloody USB hub..!
the only recommended bluetooth-USB is the Dlink120-USB-Bluetooth adaptor, which is great. Card readers, well, there's tons of USB stuff for that
There is no such thing as '3rd party wifi'. Either you get Airport Extreme (which is safely integrated inside when installed, rather than having rubbish bits sticking out like their PCI brethren) or you don't get wifi. Dlink/Netgear/etc Wi-fi DOES NOT bloody work with Mac. end of story.
Your PCI slot idea just doesn't add up, and I warn you that the "all laptop" inside angle has been debated heavily on this thread, so your PCI slot idea might take some flak. Again I apologize for the moodiness of my post today.
To me this thread is a bit worked up when actually people probably agree on most things.
For instance, the "intentionally crippling" arguement: taken another way you could say that apple was fuffilling a market segment of people that just use their computer for email, word processing and light iLife use, truly, most people. For all that the mini is good enough and pretty cheap, better than my 5 year old sawtooth that once was a professional machine and did (still does) professional work. Yes they "crippled it". Is that bad, mmmm it is what it is.
Maybe the laptop hard drive has some heat advantages that a regular hard drive does not have. I thik it is safe to assume that their hardware engineers know what they are doing. Could it be better? Yes. I don't think any of us would mind an inch bigger enclosure and a 120 GB hard drive. But WOW a new mac for $500! I'll take it!
It would have been nice to be able to upgrade the ram like you do on the iLamp, but what are going to do. It is what it is.
In short, yes, it could be better but it is still pretty good.
what was this thread about anyway
It's slim! Only 0.4 inches thin. It has zero cords (no desktop clutter)! Slip it in your breast pocket and take it on the go!
The enclosure is crafted from aircraft-grade brushed aluminum of the finest quality. It is machined out of a solid block!
Hermetically sealed inside this device is a helping of the most finest quality freeze-dried dogshit. Apple carefully handles this shit from asshole to consumer to ensure that it remains gag-inducing fresh.
Say hello to iPoo?.
Ok, if Apple really tried to sell this how many here would swear up and down on their mother's graves that iPoo? would finally boost Apple's marketshare? Be honest!
Originally posted by Aphelion
I also upgraded my dual 500 "gigabit" Powermac by buying a dual 533 "digital audio" (for less than the Cube). I think those two would serve PeePeeSee and JYD just fine. That's what they should spend their $500 on if they don't like the Mac mini for the reasons they stated.
Yep, I'll be buying a CPU upgrade for my Sawtooth 400 very soon. I'm still undecided between the 7455, the 7457, and the 7447. No matter what I decide on, any of these at 1.2-1.5 GHz should work nicely towards my goal of making my Powermac immortal! I'll probably go for the Gigadesigns 7455 card, only because it's the only one I've found under $400 at 1.4 GHz. The 7457 has a bigger L1 cache that's good for 5-10 % more performance, but it costs more and I don't want to sink much dough into this Mac. The 7447 is more of a laptop chip, with no L2 cache - it's clocked at 1.8 GHz but it only performs like a 1.5 GHz 7455. The good thing about the 7447 is that it's cooler, which may be good for my poor Sawtooth.
This Sawtooth has been good to me, and my only complaint is that it has only one optical drive bay. Apple could make a miniaturized version of the Sawtooth and sell it as the Mini, and I'd be happier than a pig in shit - even if it only had a G4!
Originally posted by wwwork
.......what was this thread about anyway
Originally posted by sunilraman
***WARNING: I AM IN A BAD MOOD THIS MORNING***
regarding your reasons for PCI slot, sorry, i had to jump in here...
3rd party bluetooth and card readers -- just get a bloody USB hub..!
the only recommended bluetooth-USB is the Dlink120-USB-Bluetooth adaptor, which is great. Card readers, well, there's tons of USB stuff for that
There is no such thing as '3rd party wifi'. Either you get Airport Extreme (which is safely integrated inside when installed, rather than having rubbish bits sticking out like their PCI brethren) or you don't get wifi. Dlink/Netgear/etc Wi-fi DOES NOT bloody work with Mac. end of story.
Your PCI slot idea just doesn't add up, and I warn you that the "all laptop" inside angle has been debated heavily on this thread, so your PCI slot idea might take some flak. Again I apologize for the moodiness of my post today.
Yeah, I guess.
USB is a good strategy here as long as you buy the hub. USB devices are abundant and cheap, but they just mean more cables and with the hub those devices become as big as the computer itself.
I didn't know the Dlink wifi card didn't work with the Mac, the wifi router works fine.
Thanks for convincing me not to waste time on this thread anymore.
Originally posted by MacGregor
Yeah, I guess.
USB is a good strategy here as long as you buy the hub. USB devices are abundant and cheap, but they just mean more cables and with the hub those devices become as big as the computer itself.
I didn't know the Dlink wifi card didn't work with the Mac, the wifi router works fine.
Thanks for convincing me not to waste time on this thread anymore.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...0&goto=newpost
for example, someone actually made a usb hub 'slice' for the mini...
i think that thread is a much more worthwhile 'Mac mini expansion' debate