Alpha samples of the MPC7457 and MPC7447 PowerPC processors are available today to selected customers. General market sampling is planned for March, with production expected to commence in Q4 2003. Suggested retail pricing for the MPC7457 at 1 GHz is expected to be $189 (USD) in quantities of 10,000."
So, based on this press release, it depends on what you mean by soon. If Motorola's past history is any guage, production may be delayed and production won't start until ????? And on top of that it will still be using the MPX bus @ what 167MHz maybe if they find it necessary 200MHz and still not support DDR.
Me personally, I'm hoping IBM has alternatives available before Motorola's alleged Q4 production schedule.
as a stock holder and general apple freak, i for one want to see a completely new mac. perhaps a new desktop enclosure that's somewhere between the cube and the tower (size wise). i also want speed! gimmie an apple that's flying and please don't give the "megahertz myth" stuff, because it may be true, but it doesn't sell computers. throw in a blue tooth keyboard and mouse, a flat screen display, and sell it to me for $1600 - 2100. now we're talking!
while yer at it, gimmie an imac for the masses. perhaps a new case design, as in a studio display with hardware built into the enclosure. at $1400 for the top of the line, with the entry-level at $800.
that way, your desktop product range is from $800 - $2100 and easily let's the customer choose according their budget and needs.
and lastly, let's really help those pc users to switch over! if you can't beat 'em, bribe 'em. "give us your box of windows software and we'll give you a rebate of $200" campaign, or something like that. come on apple let's get this show on the road!
if there should happen to be any apple brass reading this and would like to hire my services to help put apple on top, please feel free to contact me anytime = )
I used a bluetooth mouse yesterday. It was nice, it looked cool, but the word that I would use to describe it is: Mushy. Playing games with one would be a hassle, photoshap would be harder. And the way that Apple keyboards are designed (with USB ports on each side) helps to eliminate the tangle hassle. Wireles mouse. READ: Gimmick. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>as a stock holder and general apple freak, i for one want to see a completely new mac. perhaps a new desktop enclosure that's somewhere between the cube and the tower (size wise). i also want speed! gimmie an apple that's flying and please don't give the "megahertz myth" stuff, because it may be true, but it doesn't sell computers. throw in a blue tooth keyboard and mouse, a flat screen display, and sell it to me for $1600 - 2100. now we're talking!
while yer at it, gimmie an imac for the masses. perhaps a new case design, as in a studio display with hardware built into the enclosure. at $1400 for the top of the line, with the entry-level at $800.
that way, your desktop product range is from $800 - $2100 and easily let's the customer choose according their budget and needs.
and lastly, let's really help those pc users to switch over! if you can't beat 'em, bribe 'em. "give us your box of windows software and we'll give you a rebate of $200" campaign, or something like that. come on apple let's get this show on the road!
if there should happen to be any apple brass reading this and would like to hire my services to help put apple on top, please feel free to contact me anytime = )
<strong>I know, but it has to get bumped this year wouldn't you say? Along with iMacs and pBooks. Just showing you where the 7457 is going.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Assuming the eMacs will use a G4, and the eMac is bumped this year, then it will be a higher clocked MPC7455, unless Motorola beats their own stated schedule for the MPC7457 <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> .
Motorola has stated,"with production expected to commence in Q4 2003, which means to me, at best, the MPC7457 will appear in a computer in early 2004.
Now all bets are off if you also have inside information on Motorola's MPC7457 similar to the inside information you have on IBM's 970. <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[surprised]" />
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: rickag ]
oppps wrote MPC7555 instead of MPC7455, just a Freudian slip wishing for the mythical G5 from Motorola. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Apple to do a 20 Anniversary Chiat Day masterpiece?
What would cause Apple to book expensive Superbowl airtime?
Evolutionary or Revolutionary?
That 'iTablet' maybe something pretty special by then. CPUs are getting really powerful per cooling book on the PPC! A Rio G3 powering a digital wallet/iTablet?
A dramatic price cut as Apple goes for it?
Finally, an advert for 'X'?
A 970 based Mac? No. I don't see it.
iMac3? Headless and priced to shift? iMac3 iTablet/docking station idea? With your digital lifestyle on it.
An iCube that works?
A 3D 'X' QExtreme masterpiece to give 10.3 the edge?
An iPhone?
Or merely an aggressive note of intent as all the pieces are in place...the advert flashes by Stores, people using 'X', the whole Mac range...the software...the Apple 'Thang' thing infomercial. 'We're back...' kinda thing. Which. By 2004. They will be.
'X' for Windows? (I'm still not ruling this out...to some degree.)
<strong>The original Mac was revolutionary, truly revolutionary - except for the fact that its OS was hacked from Xerox.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Telling that story a hundred thousand times doesn't make it any truer. The first GUI-alike environment was, to my knowledge, developed in the 60s, but considered too "science-fiction".
Xerox had a GUI, yeah. Did they have a global menubar, or even a menubar at all? A trash? The intention to sell the thing? No.
after almost 3 years manufacturing the G4 and at least 4 revisions, Motorola is topping out at 1.42GHz
after almost 0 years manufacturing the 970 (still waiting for first revision), IBM is revising it's launch speeds to 1.8 - 2.5GHz
which company represents the "revolutionary" leap that Apple expects/we expect of Apple?
picture the "1984" wintel drones tethered by cables and limited by keyboard and slow networks polluted with viruses
picture the 970 hammer girl running in (lit by a Lapzilla) AirportExtreme surfing wirelessly at 54Mb, dropping a "2004" model onto the desk and voice-commanding it to firewall and serve simultaneous QT streams of switch ads to shatter the grey
Apple was a spawn of Xerox, a child that Xerox wanted to disassociated from. And that thrown away child turned into a marvel and pioneer of modern computing.
nice work ivy, it's even upgradable with a rackmounted hellfire anti tank missile launcher. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
(where the hell did moki get that sweeeeeeeet prototype from?)
<strong>Apple was a spawn of Xerox, a child that Xerox wanted to disassociated from. And that thrown away child turned into a marvel and pioneer of modern computing. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Enh?
Apple was a completely independent company. They were doing research into GUIs independently. They found out that Xerox Palo Alto had a machine running with a GUI - it was intended for the high-end publication market, but Xerox didn't really know what to do with it. Steve got the grand tour, and Apple licensed the Xerox technology and folded it into the Lisa project. The Xerox machine had a mouse (with three buttons, as I recall), and the ability to display graphical widgets, but the form and nature of the widgets was determined entirely by each application.
The whole idea that there should be a system-standard library of widgets with given behaviors was Apple's. Apple invented the menu bar, the radio button, both click-and-hold and "sticky" menus (they decided the former was more intuitive), the desktop, and a number of other things that have long since been taken for granted. They also researched and implemented a lot of the painstaking details that Microsoft never bothered to adopt in Windows - like the rule that a button should be labelled with a verb. Xerox sued Apple after the Mac proved a success, because they suddenly realized they'd sold a revolutionary technology for beans. The judge threw the suit out, but it has nevertheless been enshrined - especially among Windows apologists - as proof that all Apple did was rip off Xerox.
The truest measure of the brilliance of an invention is how self-evident it seems in retrospect. One unfortunate side effect of that metric, however, is that people tend not to give the most brilliant and diligent inventors much credit after the novelty wears off.
nice work ivy, it's even upgradable with a rackmounted hellfire anti tank missile launcher. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
(where the hell did moki get that sweeeeeeeet prototype from?)
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: gar ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Assuming the eMacs will use a G4, and the eMac is bumped this year, then it will be a higher clocked MPC7455, unless Motorola beats their own stated schedule for the MPC7457 <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> .
Motorola has stated,"with production expected to commence in Q4 2003, which means to me, at best, the MPC7457 will appear in a computer in early 2004.
Now all bets are off if you also have inside information on Motorola's MPC7457 similar to the inside information you have on IBM's 970. <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[surprised]" />
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: rickag ]
oppps wrote MPC7555 instead of MPC7455, just a Freudian slip wishing for the mythical G5 from Motorola. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
The eMacs already use a G4. The 7457 will probably go to the iMac and maybe pBook then eventually make it down to the eMac. ZThis is all assumption, assuming the eMac is around next year, etc. The iMac can only be bumped a few more times before it's done like the towers. So unless the entire line goes 970, the G4 will still be around. Unless of course, IBM gets their G3 with altivec going. No inside info, just creating my own conclusions.
Comments
<strong>Won't we see the MPC7457 in an Apple product soon?</strong><hr></blockquote>
<a href="http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,1958,2322_1901_23,00.html"; target="_blank">Motorola's Press Release</a>
quote from the press release:
"Pricing and Availability
Alpha samples of the MPC7457 and MPC7447 PowerPC processors are available today to selected customers. General market sampling is planned for March, with production expected to commence in Q4 2003. Suggested retail pricing for the MPC7457 at 1 GHz is expected to be $189 (USD) in quantities of 10,000."
So, based on this press release, it depends on what you mean by soon. If Motorola's past history is any guage, production may be delayed and production won't start until ????? And on top of that it will still be using the MPX bus @ what 167MHz maybe if they find it necessary 200MHz and still not support DDR.
Me personally, I'm hoping IBM has alternatives available before Motorola's alleged Q4 production schedule.
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: rickag ]</p>
while yer at it, gimmie an imac for the masses. perhaps a new case design, as in a studio display with hardware built into the enclosure. at $1400 for the top of the line, with the entry-level at $800.
that way, your desktop product range is from $800 - $2100 and easily let's the customer choose according their budget and needs.
and lastly, let's really help those pc users to switch over! if you can't beat 'em, bribe 'em. "give us your box of windows software and we'll give you a rebate of $200" campaign, or something like that. come on apple let's get this show on the road!
if there should happen to be any apple brass reading this and would like to hire my services to help put apple on top, please feel free to contact me anytime = )
thank you,
sebastian
<strong>as a stock holder and general apple freak, i for one want to see a completely new mac. perhaps a new desktop enclosure that's somewhere between the cube and the tower (size wise). i also want speed! gimmie an apple that's flying and please don't give the "megahertz myth" stuff, because it may be true, but it doesn't sell computers. throw in a blue tooth keyboard and mouse, a flat screen display, and sell it to me for $1600 - 2100. now we're talking!
while yer at it, gimmie an imac for the masses. perhaps a new case design, as in a studio display with hardware built into the enclosure. at $1400 for the top of the line, with the entry-level at $800.
that way, your desktop product range is from $800 - $2100 and easily let's the customer choose according their budget and needs.
and lastly, let's really help those pc users to switch over! if you can't beat 'em, bribe 'em. "give us your box of windows software and we'll give you a rebate of $200" campaign, or something like that. come on apple let's get this show on the road!
if there should happen to be any apple brass reading this and would like to hire my services to help put apple on top, please feel free to contact me anytime = )
thank you,
sebastian</strong><hr></blockquote>
bahh...nonsense <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
<strong>Um...the eMac isn't even 1000 mhz yet...still at 800. Its a cheap education solution.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I know, but it has to get bumped this year wouldn't you say? Along with iMacs and pBooks. Just showing you where the 7457 is going.
<strong>I know, but it has to get bumped this year wouldn't you say? Along with iMacs and pBooks. Just showing you where the 7457 is going.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Assuming the eMacs will use a G4, and the eMac is bumped this year, then it will be a higher clocked MPC7455, unless Motorola beats their own stated schedule for the MPC7457 <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> .
Motorola has stated,"with production expected to commence in Q4 2003, which means to me, at best, the MPC7457 will appear in a computer in early 2004.
Now all bets are off if you also have inside information on Motorola's MPC7457 similar to the inside information you have on IBM's 970. <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[surprised]" />
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: rickag ]
oppps wrote MPC7555 instead of MPC7455, just a Freudian slip wishing for the mythical G5 from Motorola. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: rickag ]</p>
<hr></blockquote>
That's the spirit.
Apple to do a 20 Anniversary Chiat Day masterpiece?
What would cause Apple to book expensive Superbowl airtime?
Evolutionary or Revolutionary?
That 'iTablet' maybe something pretty special by then. CPUs are getting really powerful per cooling book on the PPC! A Rio G3 powering a digital wallet/iTablet?
A dramatic price cut as Apple goes for it?
Finally, an advert for 'X'?
A 970 based Mac? No. I don't see it.
iMac3? Headless and priced to shift? iMac3 iTablet/docking station idea? With your digital lifestyle on it.
An iCube that works?
A 3D 'X' QExtreme masterpiece to give 10.3 the edge?
An iPhone?
Or merely an aggressive note of intent as all the pieces are in place...the advert flashes by Stores, people using 'X', the whole Mac range...the software...the Apple 'Thang' thing infomercial. 'We're back...' kinda thing. Which. By 2004. They will be.
'X' for Windows?
Lemon Bon Bon
Hard to see, the future is...
<strong>The original Mac was revolutionary, truly revolutionary - except for the fact that its OS was hacked from Xerox.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Telling that story a hundred thousand times doesn't make it any truer. The first GUI-alike environment was, to my knowledge, developed in the 60s, but considered too "science-fiction".
Xerox had a GUI, yeah. Did they have a global menubar, or even a menubar at all? A trash? The intention to sell the thing? No.
after almost 0 years manufacturing the 970 (still waiting for first revision), IBM is revising it's launch speeds to 1.8 - 2.5GHz
which company represents the "revolutionary" leap that Apple expects/we expect of Apple?
picture the "1984" wintel drones tethered by cables and limited by keyboard and slow networks polluted with viruses
picture the 970 hammer girl running in (lit by a Lapzilla) AirportExtreme surfing wirelessly at 54Mb, dropping a "2004" model onto the desk and voice-commanding it to firewall and serve simultaneous QT streams of switch ads to shatter the grey
<strong>
ofcourse but what hammer?</strong><hr></blockquote>
this one:
edit: <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: Krassy ]</p>
need for comfort in these uncertain times.
<strong>
this one:
edit: <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: Krassy ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
aha, that hammer.
nice work ivy, it's even upgradable with a rackmounted hellfire anti tank missile launcher. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
(where the hell did moki get that sweeeeeeeet prototype from?)
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: gar ]</p>
<strong>Apple was a spawn of Xerox, a child that Xerox wanted to disassociated from. And that thrown away child turned into a marvel and pioneer of modern computing.
Enh?
Apple was a completely independent company. They were doing research into GUIs independently. They found out that Xerox Palo Alto had a machine running with a GUI - it was intended for the high-end publication market, but Xerox didn't really know what to do with it. Steve got the grand tour, and Apple licensed the Xerox technology and folded it into the Lisa project. The Xerox machine had a mouse (with three buttons, as I recall), and the ability to display graphical widgets, but the form and nature of the widgets was determined entirely by each application.
The whole idea that there should be a system-standard library of widgets with given behaviors was Apple's. Apple invented the menu bar, the radio button, both click-and-hold and "sticky" menus (they decided the former was more intuitive), the desktop, and a number of other things that have long since been taken for granted. They also researched and implemented a lot of the painstaking details that Microsoft never bothered to adopt in Windows - like the rule that a button should be labelled with a verb. Xerox sued Apple after the Mac proved a success, because they suddenly realized they'd sold a revolutionary technology for beans. The judge threw the suit out, but it has nevertheless been enshrined - especially among Windows apologists - as proof that all Apple did was rip off Xerox.
The truest measure of the brilliance of an invention is how self-evident it seems in retrospect. One unfortunate side effect of that metric, however, is that people tend not to give the most brilliant and diligent inventors much credit after the novelty wears off.
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: Amorph ]</p>
<hr></blockquote>
Let me, then, give Apple the credit they're due.
Gentlemen, esteemed 'insider peers, raise your glasses to Apple...the true pioneers of the GUI we know and love today.
Lemon Bon Bon
<strong>
aha, that hammer.
nice work ivy, it's even upgradable with a rackmounted hellfire anti tank missile launcher. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
(where the hell did moki get that sweeeeeeeet prototype from?)
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: gar ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
i think the 970 will be a hammer-like cpu ... but hopefully we don't get stuck with it in processing-land as this special hammer did
"nøiken in de køik"?
<strong>
Assuming the eMacs will use a G4, and the eMac is bumped this year, then it will be a higher clocked MPC7455, unless Motorola beats their own stated schedule for the MPC7457 <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> .
Motorola has stated,"with production expected to commence in Q4 2003, which means to me, at best, the MPC7457 will appear in a computer in early 2004.
Now all bets are off if you also have inside information on Motorola's MPC7457 similar to the inside information you have on IBM's 970. <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[surprised]" />
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: rickag ]
oppps wrote MPC7555 instead of MPC7455, just a Freudian slip wishing for the mythical G5 from Motorola. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
[ 03-11-2003: Message edited by: rickag ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
The eMacs already use a G4. The 7457 will probably go to the iMac and maybe pBook then eventually make it down to the eMac. ZThis is all assumption, assuming the eMac is around next year, etc. The iMac can only be bumped a few more times before it's done like the towers. So unless the entire line goes 970, the G4 will still be around. Unless of course, IBM gets their G3 with altivec going. No inside info, just creating my own conclusions.
<strong>
Let me, then, give Apple the credit they're due.
Gentlemen, esteemed 'insider peers, raise your glasses to Apple...the true pioneers of the GUI we know and love today.
Lemon Bon Bon
Here here
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