Fame alone doesn't make everyone happy; quite the opposite. It can lead to making people very shallow, superficial shells of their former selves.
I don't think his point was it was jarring because why would someone so rich and famous commit suicide, just that it is, in fact, jarring when any well known person tries to take their own life.
I don't find it particualarly suprising since he's exhibited signs of being mentally unstable for years. Still, I feel bad for him and hope he gets the help that he needs.
I don't think his point was it was jarring because why would someone so rich and famous commit suicide, just that it is, in fact, jarring when any well known person tries to take their own life.
Yup.
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Originally Posted by Flounder
I don't find it particualarly suprising since he's exhibited signs of being mentally unstable for years. Still, I feel bad for him and hope he gets the help that he needs.
If that's the case then that's sad. Clinical depression, if that's what this is, is rough. \
I don't understand why people have a problem with suicide. I see it as a solution to a problem. If your life isn't working out and you see no way to fix it then why not just end it? It seems crazy to me to continue through life suffering just to conform to society's view that life is good and you can overcome any problem.
When I look at the world around, I honestly don't think it's somewhere I want to be either. Lots of people view suicide as selfish and sometimes quite spiteful because they are being ungrateful to their family or in the case of celebrity to their fans. But people have no obligation to their families or friends.
You don't request to come into life, least of all the circumstances you are born into so why should you feel pressured into living a life you don't enjoy to satisfy people you didn't ask to be subjected to?
A lot of people attribute suicidal tendencies to mental instability too but that's no more apt than saying you're mentally unstable if you reject peanut butter when asked if you want it with toast. It may be the case where you are ok with peanut butter but you've grown tired of it and you just don't want it any more. It can be a choice like any other.
Suffice to say, it's a personal thing and it's not within our capacity to judge a person we don't know.
well, it's shocking... yet somehow not. i think t.o. has been at odds with his true self and his public image for a very long time, and one has constantly been trying to snuff out the other. i think he's a fantastic wide receiver, who's had apparent personality problems ever since he blew up on the 49ers sideline years ago.i hope he gets better and can just concentrate on living life and his family can work through this okay.
what i find particularly galling, though, is his publicist trying to spin this off as just a medication reaction between two incompatible pills (according to espn broadcast). he took THIRTY-FIVE PILLS. what, so the first 34 pain killers were fine, but as soon as he took that multi-vitamin, it was emergency room time? look. i know the publicist is responsible for trying to keep t..'s public image such that he can garner licensing contracts, future football contracts, even post-football career in the commentator's booth or whatever. but just admit that it's a hard time for him and his family and thank the well-wishes of those who care. don't just friggin' LIE. it'll only make you look like a bigger doofus later.
Chucker, yikes man, do you not follow the concept that something can be unsuprising but still jarring?
This isn't PO. There's no need to be snarky.
I sure am not trying to downplay the severity of suicide, nor do I believe that such news isn't saddening. It seems to me that we are merely arguing semantics.
I don't think he tried to commit suicide. I think this story got carried away. He probably just got fucked up, and ended up going too far. It's easy to take 5 or 6 of those things at a time. I mean, the guy is going to play on Sunday. If he didn't care about life he wouldn't be preparing for the upcoming week. Come on...
Besides, name one pro athlete that committed suicide. They don't. (Don't even f***ing try and google it either...)
I don't think he tried to commit suicide. I think this story got carried away. He probably just got fucked up, and ended up going too far. It's easy to take 5 or 6 of those things at a time. I mean, the guy is going to play on Sunday. If he didn't care about life he wouldn't be preparing for the upcoming week. Come on...
Besides, name one pro athlete that committed suicide. They don't. (Don't even f***ing try and google it either...)
Without even looking I can come up with two pro football player's names off the top of my head who attempted suicide (I believe they were both unsuccessful)
I don't understand why people have a problem with suicide. I see it as a solution to a problem. If your life isn't working out and you see no way to fix it then why not just end it? It seems crazy to me to continue through life suffering just to conform to society's view that life is good and you can overcome any problem.
When I look at the world around, I honestly don't think it's somewhere I want to be either. Lots of people view suicide as selfish and sometimes quite spiteful because they are being ungrateful to their family or in the case of celebrity to their fans. But people have no obligation to their families or friends.
Suffice to say, it's a personal thing and it's not within our capacity to judge a person we don't know.
Excellent post Marvin, though it IS more complicated than not liking peanut butter. Perhaps it belongs in a separate thread, as Terrell Owens suicide attempt is a serious thing. You'll find that the people most dead set against the idea of suicide tend to be the ones who really have no compassion for the human race (usually conservatives). I've already gathered the knowledge, and if any medical problem happens to me that I will be in pain forever, you can bet I will be solving that problem. I think everyone should have the knowledge to commit suicide if they find themselves in a position where they are helpless and unhappy.
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...suicide attempts among famous people is usually jarring.
Fame alone doesn't make everyone happy; quite the opposite. It can lead to making people very shallow, superficial shells of their former selves.
Fame alone doesn't make everyone happy; quite the opposite. It can lead to making people very shallow, superficial shells of their former selves.
I don't think his point was it was jarring because why would someone so rich and famous commit suicide, just that it is, in fact, jarring when any well known person tries to take their own life.
I don't find it particualarly suprising since he's exhibited signs of being mentally unstable for years. Still, I feel bad for him and hope he gets the help that he needs.
I don't think his point was it was jarring because why would someone so rich and famous commit suicide, just that it is, in fact, jarring when any well known person tries to take their own life.
Yup.
I don't find it particualarly suprising since he's exhibited signs of being mentally unstable for years. Still, I feel bad for him and hope he gets the help that he needs.
If that's the case then that's sad. Clinical depression, if that's what this is, is rough.
Care to elaborate about the "wow"? Is attempting suicide so unusual in the US?
Care not to be your usual self?
What can I say...I'm near Philly and have followed him.
What can I say...I'm near Philly and have followed him.
That seems to contradict
I don't find it particualarly suprising since he's exhibited signs of being mentally unstable for years.
This isn't PO. There's no need to be snarky.
When I look at the world around, I honestly don't think it's somewhere I want to be either. Lots of people view suicide as selfish and sometimes quite spiteful because they are being ungrateful to their family or in the case of celebrity to their fans. But people have no obligation to their families or friends.
You don't request to come into life, least of all the circumstances you are born into so why should you feel pressured into living a life you don't enjoy to satisfy people you didn't ask to be subjected to?
A lot of people attribute suicidal tendencies to mental instability too but that's no more apt than saying you're mentally unstable if you reject peanut butter when asked if you want it with toast. It may be the case where you are ok with peanut butter but you've grown tired of it and you just don't want it any more. It can be a choice like any other.
Suffice to say, it's a personal thing and it's not within our capacity to judge a person we don't know.
what i find particularly galling, though, is his publicist trying to spin this off as just a medication reaction between two incompatible pills (according to espn broadcast). he took THIRTY-FIVE PILLS. what, so the first 34 pain killers were fine, but as soon as he took that multi-vitamin, it was emergency room time? look. i know the publicist is responsible for trying to keep t..'s public image such that he can garner licensing contracts, future football contracts, even post-football career in the commentator's booth or whatever. but just admit that it's a hard time for him and his family and thank the well-wishes of those who care. don't just friggin' LIE. it'll only make you look like a bigger doofus later.
I don't understand why people have a problem with suicide.
Well, you should probably take the time to try to find out then.
Chucker, yikes man, do you not follow the concept that something can be unsuprising but still jarring?
This isn't PO. There's no need to be snarky.
I sure am not trying to downplay the severity of suicide, nor do I believe that such news isn't saddening. It seems to me that we are merely arguing semantics.
Whatever.
Besides, name one pro athlete that committed suicide. They don't. (Don't even f***ing try and google it either...)
I don't think he tried to commit suicide. I think this story got carried away. He probably just got fucked up, and ended up going too far. It's easy to take 5 or 6 of those things at a time. I mean, the guy is going to play on Sunday. If he didn't care about life he wouldn't be preparing for the upcoming week. Come on...
Besides, name one pro athlete that committed suicide. They don't. (Don't even f***ing try and google it either...)
Without even looking I can come up with two pro football player's names off the top of my head who attempted suicide (I believe they were both unsuccessful)
Dimitrius Underwood
Barret Robbins
Change that, name a successful pro athlete that's committed suicide.
Barret Robbins...Good one Flounder. I can't believe I didn't get that one. (Although he was a nut-job)
Nevertheless, T.O. didn't try to kill himself.
I don't understand why people have a problem with suicide. I see it as a solution to a problem. If your life isn't working out and you see no way to fix it then why not just end it? It seems crazy to me to continue through life suffering just to conform to society's view that life is good and you can overcome any problem.
When I look at the world around, I honestly don't think it's somewhere I want to be either. Lots of people view suicide as selfish and sometimes quite spiteful because they are being ungrateful to their family or in the case of celebrity to their fans. But people have no obligation to their families or friends.
Suffice to say, it's a personal thing and it's not within our capacity to judge a person we don't know.
Excellent post Marvin, though it IS more complicated than not liking peanut butter. Perhaps it belongs in a separate thread, as Terrell Owens suicide attempt is a serious thing. You'll find that the people most dead set against the idea of suicide tend to be the ones who really have no compassion for the human race (usually conservatives). I've already gathered the knowledge, and if any medical problem happens to me that I will be in pain forever, you can bet I will be solving that problem. I think everyone should have the knowledge to commit suicide if they find themselves in a position where they are helpless and unhappy.
Change that, name a successful pro athlete that's committed suicide.
Barret Robbins...Good one Flounder. I can't believe I didn't get that one.
Nevertheless, T.O. didn't try to kill himself.
I meant their attempts were unsuccessful. Dimitrius Underwood never had a successful career, true, but Barrett Robbins was a two time pro-bowler.
Nevertheless, you are correct, and this is all a pretty moot point