Well you have to remember that the Black is the most expensive one so I don't know how much that counts. But we'll see how they do. I didn't say they were going to fail or anything, I just thought they were too girly for my taste.
I like the new nanos. I think it's too early to pass judgement on them.
If apple dropped the ball anywhere it was in the colours and capacities. For example: I want an 8gb silver one, can't get it. My girlfriend wants an 8gb pink one, can't get it.
I own a last gen mini, without the colour+size I want there is no reason to upgrade. My girl has an old pink mini 4gb, the new nano is...guess what 4gb.
Why would anyone bother upgrading if the capacities are the exact same as the old minis like 2 years later?
The colour scale should have broken down like this:
2gb silver
4gb blue, green, black
8gb blue, green, black, silver, pink
The highest capacities are technically the only new models, anyone "upgrading" already owns a 2-4 gb machine.
So the 8gb one should be the most highly promoted in colours.
- 1st gen iPod nanos: too weak enclosure, too black + white, too scratch prone. TOO.
Who said the enclosure was weak?
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The colour scale should have broken down like this:
2gb silver
4gb blue, green, black
8gb blue, green, black, silver, pink
So the 8gb one should be the most highly promoted in colours.
In terms of the BOM costs, the margins on the 8GB models is considerably less than the other models. I think your suggestion might offend the pink owners because the people that buy that color generally (though not always) don't care about having huge capacity.
Probably all the people who ended up with cracked screens.
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Originally Posted by ecking
If apple dropped the ball anywhere it was in the colours and capacities. For example: I want an 8gb silver one, can't get it. My girlfriend wants an 8gb pink one, can't get it.
If there's enough demand for different color/capacity combos, apple can easily adjust. And I doubt there are many mini owners who are already looking to upgrade, especially to a nano. Most nano buyers are probably first time buyers, people with older iPods, or even larger iPod owners looking for a second unit.
Whenever an iPod comes out, people complain that it's not enough of an improvement to justify replacing the one they just bought. Well, that's not the point. iPod owners are generally not going to upgrade until theirs wears out or a decent amount of time has passed.
I'd like to see the following colors in the Aluminum...
Midnight blue
Sunset Orange
Charcoal Silver
Sage green
Pink... for the real men... lol
The colors are too bright. I'd like to see something a little more natural looking. Something that blends into your clothing, and doesn't scream "HEY LOOK... I'M WEARING AN IPOD'.
That could be where M$ is going with the Brown Zune, however, they should have picked up a Pantone book first and picked a nice brown, not 'my dog has diarrhea brown'. good god.
If they had put a radio in the Nano, it would be the hottest ticket item right now... but Apple didn't, and i'm reminded of how Apple ALWAYS does these things to hurt themselves, out of some sort of masochist neurosis; like the single button mouse, not letting developers have more source code (which took Apple from 80+ market share to 4). Then limiting the Airport Express to only work with iTunes... no wonder if flopped).
I was talking to a a few sales people at Future shop, and they said the number 1 request for MP3 players, is radio. And those who buy iPod's, are hesitant because of the no radio feature.
Which speaks to me that the market share Apple is not getting, is largly due to not having radio.
If you look, almost all of the other players on the market have radio.
The radio add-on is BS. People want it all in one easy to use package.
People people people! The Mini was unbelievably popular, because of its colours. In fact, many people were concerned with the release of the old nano because it didn't come in colours.
I don't get how silver or black could be too garish or feminine. The fact that some of the colours are more feminine is a good thing, because last I checked approximately 50% of the world's population are women.
And as others have linked to, these "xx is off to a slow start" aren't always that accurate.
I had ordered a new Shuffle but cancelled the order and bought a silver nano this weekend. Target had all of the colors in stock. The only one that appealed to me at all other than silver was green but like the blue and pink, it's too bright. I think subtle color tints would be more appealing than bright.
This is my third iPod and my first that's not full-size. The nano is amazingly small and, as a music player, every bit as nice as the full-size iPods; except of course for it's storage capacity. No wonder it's the most popular player in the world. I expect Apple will sell another boat load of them for Christmas, no problem.
i think people who bought ipod mini's werw idiots. they had a quater of the capacity, not that much smaller that the white ipod and they costed about the same.
Which speaks to me that the market share Apple is not getting, is largly due to not having radio.
If you look, almost all of the other players on the market have radio.
The radio add-on is BS. People want it all in one easy to use package.
I agree that Apple's flash-based iPods should have a radio. The HDD ones, not so much, because if you've got your whole, large, personally selected music collection with you, why would you let someone else choose the music you listen to?
Apple say that they don't add radio because hardly anyone "asks for it". Is the average consumer really going to go to Apple's website or to one of their stores and say "hey, you should really add radio to the iPod" and then hang around for months on end waiting to see if one gets added, or do they just go and get a different player with a built-in radio?
In my area, FM radio is really, really bad; lousy music and lots of obnoxious ads. If iPods had radio built in, I'd never ever use it, so I'd rather not pay for it in terms of cost, size and weight.
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The rest of the world isn't quite as rabid about Steve Jobs every bowel movement.
Of course we know the Apple has new nanos but the average person won't until a friend gets one.
As soon as the holidays roll around and people start thinking about Christmas presents and start visiting the mall....sales will pick up.
And that proved to be totally wrong. That Nano turned out to be the best selling iPod!
yes, but in the meantime these analysts manage to depress share performance by 3-4% with fancy prediction. Guess if some of them are shortselling?
Maybe they should have a shade called "Youthful Testosterone Blue" ? or just name a color "Manly" and be done with it.
Call it the "Irish Spring" iPod.
Manly, yes!
But I like it tooo.
Seriously... "too colorful?"
Why don't you go buy a brown Zune then?
Real men buy pink iPods
... or 80 Gig ones...
-Clive
Well you have to remember that the Black is the most expensive one so I don't know how much that counts. But we'll see how they do. I didn't say they were going to fail or anything, I just thought they were too girly for my taste.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pauldub/256169640/
If apple dropped the ball anywhere it was in the colours and capacities. For example: I want an 8gb silver one, can't get it. My girlfriend wants an 8gb pink one, can't get it.
I own a last gen mini, without the colour+size I want there is no reason to upgrade. My girl has an old pink mini 4gb, the new nano is...guess what 4gb.
Why would anyone bother upgrading if the capacities are the exact same as the old minis like 2 years later?
The colour scale should have broken down like this:
2gb silver
4gb blue, green, black
8gb blue, green, black, silver, pink
The highest capacities are technically the only new models, anyone "upgrading" already owns a 2-4 gb machine.
So the 8gb one should be the most highly promoted in colours.
Ahh, yes, here it is: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1270
Edit - added the old story.
Does AI have archives? I'm almost positive there was a very similar "iPod nano sales off to slow start?" article at this time last year.
well they were wrong lol.
- 1st gen iPod nanos: too weak enclosure, too black + white, too scratch prone. TOO.
Who said the enclosure was weak?
The colour scale should have broken down like this:
2gb silver
4gb blue, green, black
8gb blue, green, black, silver, pink
So the 8gb one should be the most highly promoted in colours.
In terms of the BOM costs, the margins on the 8GB models is considerably less than the other models. I think your suggestion might offend the pink owners because the people that buy that color generally (though not always) don't care about having huge capacity.
Who said the enclosure was weak?
Probably all the people who ended up with cracked screens.
If apple dropped the ball anywhere it was in the colours and capacities. For example: I want an 8gb silver one, can't get it. My girlfriend wants an 8gb pink one, can't get it.
If there's enough demand for different color/capacity combos, apple can easily adjust. And I doubt there are many mini owners who are already looking to upgrade, especially to a nano. Most nano buyers are probably first time buyers, people with older iPods, or even larger iPod owners looking for a second unit.
Whenever an iPod comes out, people complain that it's not enough of an improvement to justify replacing the one they just bought. Well, that's not the point. iPod owners are generally not going to upgrade until theirs wears out or a decent amount of time has passed.
I'd like to see the following colors in the Aluminum...
Midnight blue
Sunset Orange
Charcoal Silver
Sage green
Pink... for the real men... lol
The colors are too bright. I'd like to see something a little more natural looking. Something that blends into your clothing, and doesn't scream "HEY LOOK... I'M WEARING AN IPOD'.
That could be where M$ is going with the Brown Zune, however, they should have picked up a Pantone book first and picked a nice brown, not 'my dog has diarrhea brown'. good god.
If they had put a radio in the Nano, it would be the hottest ticket item right now... but Apple didn't, and i'm reminded of how Apple ALWAYS does these things to hurt themselves, out of some sort of masochist neurosis; like the single button mouse, not letting developers have more source code (which took Apple from 80+ market share to 4). Then limiting the Airport Express to only work with iTunes... no wonder if flopped).
I was talking to a a few sales people at Future shop, and they said the number 1 request for MP3 players, is radio. And those who buy iPod's, are hesitant because of the no radio feature.
Which speaks to me that the market share Apple is not getting, is largly due to not having radio.
If you look, almost all of the other players on the market have radio.
The radio add-on is BS. People want it all in one easy to use package.
I don't get how silver or black could be too garish or feminine. The fact that some of the colours are more feminine is a good thing, because last I checked approximately 50% of the world's population are women.
And as others have linked to, these "xx is off to a slow start" aren't always that accurate.
This is my third iPod and my first that's not full-size. The nano is amazingly small and, as a music player, every bit as nice as the full-size iPods; except of course for it's storage capacity. No wonder it's the most popular player in the world. I expect Apple will sell another boat load of them for Christmas, no problem.
Which speaks to me that the market share Apple is not getting, is largly due to not having radio.
If you look, almost all of the other players on the market have radio.
The radio add-on is BS. People want it all in one easy to use package.
I agree that Apple's flash-based iPods should have a radio. The HDD ones, not so much, because if you've got your whole, large, personally selected music collection with you, why would you let someone else choose the music you listen to?
Apple say that they don't add radio because hardly anyone "asks for it". Is the average consumer really going to go to Apple's website or to one of their stores and say "hey, you should really add radio to the iPod" and then hang around for months on end waiting to see if one gets added, or do they just go and get a different player with a built-in radio?
not that much smaller that the white ipod.
Wrong.
and they costed about the same.
Wrong.
And, do not under-estimate the power of colour! Minis were very popular with women and I expect these new Nanos will be too.
so I'd rather not pay for it in terms of cost, size and weight.
The thing is, that all of those are actually negligible. The chips are insanely small (and therefore light), and insanely cheap (a few cents).
i think people who bought ipod mini's werw idiots.
Thanks.