bobdylan

Trump's stance is actually praised in this Forbes article which compares the idea with what SJ wanted to do with Next: : http://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2016/01/19/donald-trump-and-the-return-of-americas-computer-manufacturing-glory-days-build-stuff-here/#2715e4857a0b1dd0fe4772df  

Trump has the good ideas, let's see if he can make it happen.

ronn said:

bobdylan said:

Trump's stance is actually praised in this Forbes article which compares the idea with what SJ wanted to do with Next: : http://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2016/01/19/donald-trump-and-the-return-of-americas-computer-manufacturing-glory-days-build-stuff-here/#2715e4857a0b1dd0fe4772df  

Trump has the good ideas, let's see if he can make it happen.

The article ends with: If there’s a will, there’s a way.

And there's your problem. No US CEO, especially Tim Cook,  would risk high margins and profits for shareholders (and essentially financial rewards for themselves) just to say that they're making computers in the USA. Not going to happen.

The writer fails to realize that the so-called glory days were more than 25 years ago. Too much has changed and China (and other developing nations) have too much invested in keeping manufacturing in their tight grip. The super cheap labor cannot be replaced overnight. By the time efficient, cost effective automation is available on such a massive skill, it'll be available in China, etc.. at a much cheaper rate.

I have Chinese friends who couldn't bring their fancy BMWs and Audis in China as they impose a 45% tarrif on cars brought in. If Trump put a 45 % retaliatory tarrif on iPhones brought into USA, this would force Apple to forego their 40% margin and take a more acceptable 20% margin and build their phones in the USA. I understand the implication would be more expensive phones, but perhaps in the long term it would energize US industry and save big on shipping costs. Also it would mean less technology leaks to Chinese knock-off companies.

nolamacguy said:

tallest skil said:

How many paid shills do we have here, anyway?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

I laugh because the alternative to the knowledge that people still fucking believe that socialism and communism are different is terrified screaming.
Okay. How about... the shareholders themselves, who have shown they are willing to risk profits for such things as energy self-sufficiency? Why wouldn’t they, who are (someone tell me the actual breakdown, please) mostly Americans, want to ensure the employment of other Americans?That’s the thing about changes; they can change back.
‘Course not! And it’d be mostly machines here, anyway. Instead of warehouses of unskilled laborers, warehouses of machines coded, repaired, and manufactured (design) by laborers. But it WILL return.

do yourself a favor a go travel abroad. Europe, Sweden, Denmark...lovely places. then tell them you think they're communist states. enjoy the laughter. 

Europe is not a state... just sayin'

Half of Europe was communist until 25 years ago.. and go look up the names of their republics... they were almost all calling themselves "socialist" and everything was nationalized.

For example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakia
"1948–1989: The country became a communist state with a centrally planned economy. In 1960, the country officially became a socialist republic."

Hungary: This was followed in 1968 by the New Economic Mechanism (NEM), which introduced free-market elements into Socialist command economy. From the 1960s through the late 1980s, Hungary was often referred to as "the happiest barrack" within the Eastern bloc

Poland: Postwar communist Poland. A shock therapy programme, initiated by Leszek Balcerowicz in the early 1990s enabled the country to transform its socialist-style planned economy into a market economy.

list goes on and on and on... 

but the point of this discussion is how USA production of Apple products can be achieved, and this is to be done through fair trade vs stupid free trade (where China is ok to put tarrifs of 45% on cars but US doesn't slap any tarrifs on electronics)